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December 08, 2020, 01:11:12 PM
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I hate plagiarism.

Because I hate plagiarism, I am distraught that the forum community seems to be collectively ignorant of what plagiarism actually is, why it is bad, and what harm it does.  People here call non-plagiarism “plagiarism”, as in the case of RegulusHR—whom I would have issued a 7-day temp ban on first offence for a copied and pasted one-liner, zero-substance shitpost, but not permabanned for “plagiarism”.  And some so-called “people” absurdly deny that definitional examplars of plagiarism are plagiarism, as in the case of Ratimov.

Because I also hate conceited ignorance, I will now disclose the following:

I have done something that many of the “people” here would call “plagiarism”.  I have done it repeatedly—occasionally—for years.  I continue to do it—occasionally.

What I have never done, and will never do, is this—
plagiarism is the intellectual theft of credit for original work, which wreathes lazy idiots in a glory that belongs to another.
to the contrary!

Fear not:  The sesquipedalian pearls which I have a bad habit of casting hereabouts are my own.  I have too big an ego to steal others’ originality, instead of being original myself.  I oft spend considerable time and effort crafting a Nullian “artistic” post, all for the sheer joy of being the genuine, original, one and only me.

I don’t doubt that some of those who hate me must have wasted their time trawling my post history in search of plagiarism.  I do not think that they can ever find whereof I hereby speak.  It is a puzzle, a literary cryptogram, a secret message hidden in plain sight for a purpose that I deem to be an ethical imperative.

It will not be found in any plagiarism detection database; and I would be very surprised if anybody could ever figure it out with a search engine.

A university professor applying the methods of textual criticism could discover it.  Maybe.

Much of my more serious writing contains cryptic literary allusions.  I do hope that someday, professors will apply the proper methods of hermeneutics and textual criticism to find all of the hidden meanings subtly onion-layered into my forum posts.  (To be clear, my only lack of confidence is in the hope that scholars will exist in the future.)

Thereby, I mostly referred to puns, to subtle allusions, and otherwise to “hidden meanings” which do not directly invoke others’ writings.  —Mostly.



Some considerable time ago, I OTS timestamped some PGP-signed evidence.  I will hereby reserve post #2 for that, just in case I ever decide to reveal it; and I will reserve post #3 for additional evidence.

The posts will probably stay as “reserved”.  Probably.  If I walk into a police station, protest that the cops should not let “people” get away with actual kidnapping murder, and then tell them that they will never find the bodies that I did not “murder”, then I will probably leave it at that.

This hereby is, inter alia, my expression of profound contempt for remorseless plagiarists, and for all who defend them.  I will probably not reply here, unless someone says something interesting.

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December 08, 2020, 01:11:54 PM
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Reserved for the purpose explained in OP.

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December 08, 2020, 01:12:08 PM
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Reserved for the purpose explained in OP.

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December 08, 2020, 01:26:05 PM
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You like to give your haters the benefit of the doubt to which you claim that you made plagiarize but you hid it and that you wanted your haters to go look for it? Well, that would be interesting on how things will go as time pass by. I am also interested to see the reserve posts on what could it be since you decide it to keep it for yourself. Good luck for the haters for them to figure out your secrets.
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December 10, 2020, 11:07:46 PM
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Me brain retire go on soft vacation so hand do work now. Think big word not good for talk to many people. Feel bad about self so use smart man words to write. Not speak fancy ship man sound good so look at other word boxes to take. Me get bounty now! Too hard learn word making, I keep do this. It good for me and I keep make new me's for more bounty.

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December 11, 2020, 12:03:21 AM
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Me brain retire go on soft vacation so hand do work now. Think big word not good for talk to many people. Feel bad about self so use smart man words to write. Not speak fancy ship man sound good so look at other word boxes to take. Me get bounty now! Too hard learn word making, I keep do this. It good for me and I keep make new me's for more bounty.

You suck at shitposting. Your spelling, punctuation, and capitalization is not horrible enough to qualify as a bounty hunter. No easy money for you, sorry.
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April 04, 2021, 04:29:44 PM
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For obvious reasons, I wish to avoid giving hints about what non-plagiaristic quasi-plagiarism I have hereby confessed.  However, it would be beneficial for me to reduce the inscrutable abstractions of my OP to a few hypothetical concrete examples.  I will then briefly explain why I am bumping this thread.



In what circumstances may a person with absolutely honest motives commit an innocent act which, in a mechanistic application of rules, could be misconstrued as “plagiarism”?  Off-the-cuff, for the purpose of a threshold demonstration that such a thing is possible, I present hereby but a few examples:

Privacy, especially for “IRL” relationships:  An interpolated line from personal correspondence, or even from someone else’s secret diary may be a silent acknowledgment of that person’s influence.  If the other person reads it, then it may be a private in-joke.  For example, if I had an illicit affair with the associate editress of an art magazine, suppose that she were to pilfer a single unique sentence from one of my encrypted love-notes, and insert it into an unsigned editorial about Puritanical attempts to censor the fine arts.  I would laugh—and I wouldn’t rat her out to the editor-in-chief for her naughty little “plagiarism”.

An intellectual guerrilla’s freedom of speech:  Under a book-burning régime, an activist who finds it too dangerous to express his true opinions may quote without quotes from a banned book by an unmentionable author.  He may do this as a quiet show of solidarity—and to spread banned ideas in a way that “flies under the radar”, whilst ultimately preserving credit to the originator of the ideasIt is a literary commitment in the manner of a cryptographic commitment, made with words and ideas instead of numbers.  Years, decades, or even centuries later, after political fashions have changed, professors may analyse the texts to reveal hidden sympathies.

(Note for future scholars:  Although the technique itself is surely age-old, I believe that this is the first description thereof as a “literary commitment” by analogy to a cryptographic commitment.  I leave to future work a detailed comparison and contrast of the properties of literary and cryptographic commitments.)

Ethical ghostwriting:  Although I would never do such a thing in an academic environment, I acknowledged somewhere that I have worked as a ghostwriter.  For example, I once did a long-term stint authoring all of the English-language personal and business correspondence of a businessman who barely even spoke English.  My involvement was strictly confidential; and anyway, identifying the true author of a ghostwritten piece would be counterproductive.



Although I have been silently contemplating these issues for years, what motivated me to instigate this topic was my annoyance at inaction in the Ratimov case.  I had no personal stake in that case, and no reason to take it personally.  Nonetheless, I was outraged to see excessive lenity being granted to the blatant, methodical ripping off of authors who surely would be aggrieved to see that.

At that, my sympathy with authors I do not know rose from my knowing how I would feel if someone did that to me.  Dare I say it?  I empathised with those authors.

Now, this is personal:  Someone else ripped off one of my posts in a way so blatant that to see the quotes together is a visual punch in the face.  Adding insult to injury, that person is known to dislike me; he has even claimed to have me ignore-listed.  It is reasonable to infer that he desired to avoid acknowledging me, simply from spite:  Quote nullius?  Never!  What nutildah did is exceptionally malicious.

By approaching the subject from an unusual angle, this topic hereby should incite people to think more deeply about plagiarism.  What is plagiarism?  Why is it wrong?  Whom does it hurt, and how?  N.b. that in all of my above hypotheticals, the author suffers no detriment—and neither does any other party, unless “inability to persecute dissidents” is accounted as detrimental to the would-be persecutors.

By contrast, what harm is caused by actual plagiarism?

I myself would not want to contribute or to engage with the community in any venue where plagiarism is treated as acceptable.  I doubt that I am alone in so saying.  Do you want to spend time from your limited lifetime posting on a forum where, although random shitposting n00bs may be banned for plagiarism, a free pass to plagiarise is granted to high-profile users in positions of community trust?

Whereas I myself have violated the absolute letter of the forum’s rule against plagiarism—knowingly, intentionally, with honest motives, with unselfish motives, in an unusual way that accords with authorial interests.  Not oft—rarely; sparingly—occasionally; from time to time, as warranted—I have done it; I continue to do it; and for as long as I continue to post here, I shall continue to do it.  If I were to reveal just what I mean by “null plagiarism”, which is truly contraplagiarism, then the results would be... interesting.  Perhaps I may do that someday—or perhaps never.  For today, this is my way of urging people to examine plagiarism from a perspective different than “the rules say that it is forbidden”.

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April 05, 2021, 12:10:02 AM
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I found a picture of nullius:



I hope this doesn't get me banned for plagiarism or doxing.
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April 05, 2021, 12:13:04 AM
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The point being expressed in my post is an independent observation

Sure, and the dog ate your homework.  To see just how much that strains shatters credulity, people simply need to look for themselves.  I posted in a thread that you very regularly follow—where, I may add, you have sometimes popped up out of nowhere to spout nonsense at me when I wasn’t even addressing you.  About two weeks later—well, when the quotes are placed side by side, a five-year-old child could see what happened:

Nullian Original (archive.is) (archive.org)

Subject: [WO] NFTs are good!
Proof that NFT technology will succeed:  I see WOers slinging the exact same FUD against NFTs as has always been used against Bitcoin.  Let’s see just how much this technology will totally take over the world:

  • “It’s a Ponzi.” ✔
  • “The scarcity is artificial.  Anyone can make perfect copies of it.” ✔
  • “Drug dealers will use it to launder money.” ✔
  • “Those fools will be burned when it is shut down by regulators (SEC, et al.).”2

I anticipate that as I keep reading WO posts about NFTs, I will be adding to this list...

Paraphrased plagiarism—replete with Unicode checkmarks paraphrased as different Unicode checkmarks (archive.is) (archive.org)

What's struck me as a touch ironic is that bitcoiners are criticizing NFTs for the exact same reasons nocoiners criticize bitcoin:

"Anybody can make one." ✓
"It's a bubble and a fad that will never catch on." ✓
"It's a highly illiquid market, or else it's all wash trading." ✓
"Its only used by money launderers and criminals." ✓

What am I forgetting?

That would get you expelled from any academic environment.

To me as an original thinker, it is discouraging:  Why should I contribute my original thoughts to this forum, so that nutildah can rip me off without even the slightest acknowledgment?  There is only one nullius.  nutildah’s unattributed paraphrase of my ideas is conceptually a half-step away from Faketoshi’s claim that he wrote the Bitcoin whitepaper.

(nutildah does get extra chutzpah points insofar as he pretends to have me ignore-listed.  Cue the plagiarism bingo card“We had similar thoughts, including even the placement of Unicode checkmarks!”)



Correction for the record:

You claim I used the same checkmarks that you did, I didn't. So that part was an outright lie.

No.  To the contrary, as quoted above, I said that you “paraphrased” my Unicode checkmarks with different Unicode checkmarks (just as you paraphrased my words); I said that you used the same placement of the checkmarks; and I otherwise accused you of “aping” the checkmarks.

I don’t know why you would lie about what I said, when it is right there for everyone to read.

[—rambling garbage snipped—]

Protip:  Although your plagiarism was the impetus for me to bump this thread, the topic hereof is not about you any more than it is about Ratimov—whose plagiarism you defended, fittingly enough.

This topic is about my unspecified violations of the letter of the forum rules.  If you want to try to get me banned for that, this would be a good place to do it.

I am, in essence, benevolently trolling in an attempt to push people to think about what plagiarism is, and what harm it causes.  To question the nature of my “plagiarism” (or as I call it, my contraplagiarism), the reader must develop a clear concept of why that rule exists.  Why do I say that I am doing nothing wrong, when I cheerfully stipulate that I am intentionally violating the rule?  What could I possibly mean?  To follow that train of thought, one must examine plagiarism from first principles.

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April 05, 2021, 12:20:05 AM
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I am, in essence, benevolently trolling in an attempt to push people to think about what plagiarism is, and what harm it causes.

Are you sure you're not actually just being an attention-demanding child? That's what it seems like to me.

How is leaving me negative feedback for plagiarism "benevolently trolling"? Seems like just trolling.

Stop harassing me.

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April 05, 2021, 01:28:42 AM
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Protip:  Although your plagiarism was the impetus for me to bump this thread, the topic hereof is not about you any more than it is about Ratimov—whose plagiarism you defended, fittingly enough.

This topic is about my unspecified violations of the letter of the forum rules.  If you want to try to get me banned for that, this would be a good place to do it.


I am, in essence, benevolently trolling in an attempt to push people to think about what plagiarism is, and what harm it causes.

Are you sure you're not actually just being an attention-demanding child? That's what it seems like to me.

How is leaving me negative feedback for plagiarism "benevolently trolling"? Seems like just trolling.

I was explaining to the purpose this hereby topic, you functionally illiterate drug addict.  To make that clear, I have restored to the above quotation some important context that you dishonestly snipped.  That is the highlighted portion.

I left you negative trust feedback for plagiarism, because you committed plagiarism; it is that simple.

Stop harassing me.

Forking hell, you have a thin skin.  Probably because you realize that anyone who sees our posts quoted together can see that you are guilty.

Anyway, if I wanted to “harrass” you, I would harp on the point that you are a self-made psychotic who tries to push others into abusing hallucinogenic drugs like you do.  I hadn’t even mentioned that!  And anyway, this ain’t leddit.  I guess that you could try reporting me to the Internet Police for cyberbullying your poor little plagiarist self:  “Waaah.  I plagiarised his post, and now he is so mean that he tells other people that I plagiarised his post.  Stop him!”

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April 05, 2021, 03:43:40 AM
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Its your word versus mine.

In which delusional fantasy is prima facie evidence clearly shown up-front a matter of “your word versus mine”?  Roll Eyes

So far nobody has taken your word. Not one person. Perhaps you should reconsider the evidence once and a while before you try so desperately to attack somebody's reputation?  I could dredge up your days sexting a minor publicly on the forum if you like, but I'm just not that kind of person.

Wow.  Blatant defamation and extortion in one shot—and done for the purpose of trying to induce me to drop a prima facie valid accusation against you.  You must be worried!  (archive.is)

You should “reconsider” doing X, because I could “dredge up” scandal Y, “but I’m just not that kind of person” is a quite classic form of blackmail threat.  I will tag you accordingly.

It won’t work, because:  (0) You materially misrepresented what happened.  In the only thread which even comes close to matching your description (archive), I was “sexting publicly on the forum” with a party that theymos had age-verified; and n.b. that at least three current DTs were directly involved in that thread, all of whom found it delightful and not otherwise.  (1) The thread is indeed public.  Indeed, I myself just linked to that thread three days ago!
My puns about elliptic curves were first seen in 2018; they even have an old thread in Off-Topic(Several threads; I don’t want to link to the others.)
(Note:  Those “other” threads had nothing to do with alia, and were made by me after alia was outed as a scammer and banned.)

“Perhaps you should reconsider...  I could dredge up something totally public that you don’t even try to hide” is—well, let’s put it this way:  Are you high right now?

I left you negative trust feedback for plagiarism, because you committed plagiarism; it is that simple.

since when is plagiarism something that negative feedback should be left for?

I tag for plagiarism.  That is off-topic in Meta; if you disagree with my tag, consider opening yet another “nullius trust abuse” topic in Reputation.  I will probably ignore it, even if I see it; it has been months since I followed Reputation on any regular basis, and if I want to waste my time wading through the muck there, I have higher priorities and planned posts.

you are a self-made psychotic

compared to you I'm as stable as a rock. I have nothing left to say to you, putting you back on ignore where you belong.

Eh.  I’m sure that if you trip hard enough, you can believe that pretending to ignore me makes me upset or angry or something.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

have a great day fuckwadius.

Hey.  Assigning such cute names to people is TOAA’s job.  My official nickname is nerdius, you nut-case!

Sorry, CH; I do not intend to insult you by comparing you to notil-duh here.  I am sincerely trying to protect your turf with the cute nicknames.  Mine is awesome!



The foregoing discussion goes far off-topic for this thread.  Most of it belongs in Reputation, not even in Meta; and the rest of it belongs in the plagiarism accusation thread.

Loth though I may be to complain about nutildah bumping my thread here, I must request that we please stay on topic:

I am, in essence, benevolently trolling in an attempt to push people to think about what plagiarism is, and what harm it causes.  To question the nature of my “plagiarism” (or as I call it, my contraplagiarism), the reader must develop a clear concept of why that rule exists.  Why do I say that I am doing nothing wrong, when I cheerfully stipulate that I am intentionally violating the rule?  What could I possibly mean?  To follow that train of thought, one must examine plagiarism from first principles.

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April 05, 2021, 02:19:27 PM
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I can't be bothered to read the walls of text but I'm sure I can do a pretty good tl;dr:

Lauda posts copy-pasta - not plagiarism because <walls of contrived reasons>.

Person unfavorable to nullius posts something - plagiarism because <walls of completely differently contrived reasons>.

There, I saved you all two hours of reading.
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subtle allusions

You seem to suffer from the not-so-subtle delusion that people actually give a fuck enough to read the ramblings of a putrid cunt.  No, you're not going to lure anyone with half a brain to dig through your verbose nonsense in an effort to find your "quasi-plagiarism."  

Nullian PSA:
Only those who have a limited understanding of the English language think you're clever.  Those of us who are literate know that your ramblings are full of contradictions, little substance, and only the appearance of intelligence.  Big words don't fool me, boy.

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April 06, 2021, 09:19:30 AM
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Ratimov, You are the last person on this forum who should criticize nullius.

Nullius may be right and may be biased towards nutildah, but your speculative post has nothing to do with this topic at all, The public has long decided on the essence of your slippery nature.

Before drawing such conclusions, you must understand that English is not my native language and I cannot create completely English texts myself, without auxiliary tools.
Here, really original content, maybe 10%, the rest is all a copy-paste of finished materials or partial use of someone else's material.

This is ridiculous . - On March 23, edited the thread in which you published someone else's material on your behalf

In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme as online privacy. As we know, now is the period of a pandemic, and it is at this time that rights and freedoms are being infringed, including on the Internet.

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April 12, 2021, 12:53:19 AM
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This is ridiculous . - On March 23, edited the thread in which you published someone else's material on your behalf

Because I am worried about your mental health.

Da, according to Pravda Ratimova, airfinex is sick c вялoтeкyщeй шизoфpeниeй.  He should be sent to the yellow house for his own good, and to protect others from this contagious mental disease.  Roll Eyes

In other news:  The new Five-Year Plan is ahead of schedule.  All Russian people are happy and prosperous.  Ratimov did no plagiarism.


I can't be bothered to read the walls of text but I'm sure I can do a pretty good tl;dr:

Lauda posts copy-pasta - not plagiarism because <walls of contrived reasons>.

Person unfavorable to nullius posts something - plagiarism because <walls of completely differently contrived reasons>.

There, I saved you all two hours of reading.

Zeroth of all, that is nonsense—in itself, a false accusation by you against my motives.  If nutildah’s name is removed from my plagiarism report, it is clear that I would have reported anybody for the same post.  What you are saying is, in substantial effect, that I am not allowed to report someone who wrongs me because I have a dispute with him (!).

Furthermore, you compare this:


...to this:


Perhaps I should have used an anonymous alt to report it?  Ah, yes:  You would insult and dismiss that as a “fake newbie”.  Roll Eyes



If I do say so myself, this hereby topic is the very wisest thread that has ever been opened on this forum—nay, on the whole Internet!  To uphold that standard, I shall conclude this post with more wise words:

Voluntary goodness is a motive that drives only the best people, and not the average type.  Not everyone is of such a personal constitution that he can “be his own authority”.  Hence, rules and laws are necessary.  Just for instance, the law against stealing:  It was not made for those who are honest on principle, but for weak and unstable opportunists.  Such rules and laws are meant to hinder the wrongdoer through the deterrent prospect of punishment, and thus to prevent a situation in which the honest man is deemed stupid; that state of affairs would end in the belief that it is better to partake in the robbery than to stand by with empty hands—or worse, to allow oneself to be robbed.

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