Finland and Sweden OFFICIALLY announce their intention to join NATO

[af_newbie]

So, Russia should be happy now. Instead of potentially having border with NATO in Ukraine in future, now they will have 1300km border with NATO in Finland, just less than 200km from north capital St. Petersburg, plys Sweden nearby. Actions of Russia in Ukraine simply left no other choice for Sweden and Finland and pushed to join NATO. They can't stay neutral.

Putin said today that he has no problems with Finland and Sweden. But if their entry into NATO entails existential threats to Russia in the form of NATO military bases or US nuclear arsenals appearing on their territory, then Russia will make its military-technical response, whatever that means.

Is it not double standard? Why Finland and Sweden can join NATO and Ukraine can't. Before war started, Ukraine wasn't even close from joining NATO, not even talking about NATO military bases and nuclear weapons there.

Ukraine needed to think about this before cultivating an anti-Russian policy and building its national self-identity on the idea of "Ukraine is anti-Russia."

n addition, you talk about the accession of Finland and Sweden to NATO as a fait accompli, but Turkey explicitly expresses its disagreement and readiness to use its veto. Erdogan owes Putin and it seems the time has come to repay the debt.

And Russia needs to get the fuck out of Ukraine before all their soldiers die.

Turkey will bend over backward to get the latest fighter jets from the US.

They are just raising the price for NATO members, but I think they will not veto them, IMHO.

[be.open]

They are just raising the price for NATO members, but I think they will not veto them, IMHO.

Turkey has blocked the start of negotiations on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

[Marvelman]

They are just raising the price for NATO members, but I think they will not veto them, IMHO.

Turkey has blocked the start of negotiations on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

It is unlikely that Turkey will actually block Swedish and Finnish memberships into NATO, but it may seek a price for agreeing to let them join. Their demands may include, for example, lifting of the Swedish arms embargo against Turkey. Being a member of NATO and maintaining an arms embargo on another country within the same alliance is unreasonable.

[be.open]

They are just raising the price for NATO members, but I think they will not veto them, IMHO.

Turkey has blocked the start of negotiations on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

It is unlikely that Turkey will actually block Swedish and Finnish memberships into NATO, but it may seek a price for agreeing to let them join. Their demands may include, for example, lifting of the Swedish arms embargo against Turkey. Being a member of NATO and maintaining an arms embargo on another country within the same alliance is unreasonable.

The problem with the S-400 and F35 fighters can be easily solved if desired, but there is a more serious problem. Turkey's ambassador to Sweden says the main reason Turkey opposes Sweden's NATO membership is that Sweden should sever its ties with the YPG, which Turkey has branded as terrorist. In general, the Kurdish issue is already a hundred years old and it will definitely not be possible to solve it in a couple of days.

And all this does not negate what I said above - Erdogan owes Putin for saving his ass from a coup d'état and Turkey really does not want to quarrel with Russia, because the Turkish economy is now in a steep peak and formally there is already hyperinflation.

[LTU_btc]

Ukraine needed to think about this before cultivating an anti-Russian policy and building its national self-identity on the idea of "Ukraine is anti-Russia."

n addition, you talk about the accession of Finland and Sweden to NATO as a fait accompli, but Turkey explicitly expresses its disagreement and readiness to use its veto. Erdogan owes Putin and it seems the time has come to repay the debt.

Like anti-Russian thing in Ukraine happened without any reason and actions of Russia didn't caused it.
I'm not talking about it as already happened fact. Turkey isn't completely against it, but they have some demands for Finland and Sweden in order for them to join NATO.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-17/what-turkey-wants-from-sweden-and-finland-in-nato-expansion-spat

[Marvelman]

They are just raising the price for NATO members, but I think they will not veto them, IMHO.

Turkey has blocked the start of negotiations on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

It is unlikely that Turkey will actually block Swedish and Finnish memberships into NATO, but it may seek a price for agreeing to let them join. Their demands may include, for example, lifting of the Swedish arms embargo against Turkey. Being a member of NATO and maintaining an arms embargo on another country within the same alliance is unreasonable.

The problem with the S-400 and F35 fighters can be easily solved if desired, but there is a more serious problem. Turkey's ambassador to Sweden says the main reason Turkey opposes Sweden's NATO membership is that Sweden should sever its ties with the YPG, which Turkey has branded as terrorist. In general, the Kurdish issue is already a hundred years old and it will definitely not be possible to solve it in a couple of days.

The Kurdistan Workers party (PKK) is already recognized as a terrorist organization by Sweden as well as the EU and the US, so I'm not sure what Turkey actually wants to achieve with this. As for the YPG, they have received weapons and training from the US-led anti-Isis coalition in the fight against Isis in Syria, so Sweden is not the only country that has "ties" with the YPG.

[merchantofzeny]

Well Finland and possibly Sweden better get in fast while Russia is distracted with the whole Ukraine issue. At least Ukraine didn't suffer for nothing.

Reminder:
The process of joining the US-led military bloc NATO requires the approval of the existing 30 member states. At the moment Erdogan says Turkey not supportive of Finland, Sweden joining NATO [Source: ^Reuters]

LOL is Turkey still bitter about not being allowed into the EU? Or there's some deal with Russia? Interesting to find out it's by consensus rather than by majority vote. Kinda like ASEAN and how China basically can veto anything that it disapprove via its proxies in the bloc.

Turkey can leave NATO anytime.

I just found it funny that his reason is that these Nordic countries "home to many terrorist organizations".

[Veprecrypt]

I think it's a dangerous maneuver

[be.open]

They are just raising the price for NATO members, but I think they will not veto them, IMHO.

Turkey has blocked the start of negotiations on Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

It is unlikely that Turkey will actually block Swedish and Finnish memberships into NATO, but it may seek a price for agreeing to let them join. Their demands may include, for example, lifting of the Swedish arms embargo against Turkey. Being a member of NATO and maintaining an arms embargo on another country within the same alliance is unreasonable.

The problem with the S-400 and F35 fighters can be easily solved if desired, but there is a more serious problem. Turkey's ambassador to Sweden says the main reason Turkey opposes Sweden's NATO membership is that Sweden should sever its ties with the YPG, which Turkey has branded as terrorist. In general, the Kurdish issue is already a hundred years old and it will definitely not be possible to solve it in a couple of days.

The Kurdistan Workers party (PKK) is already recognized as a terrorist organization by Sweden as well as the EU and the US, so I'm not sure what Turkey actually wants to achieve with this. As for the YPG, they have received weapons and training from the US-led anti-Isis coalition in the fight against Isis in Syria, so Sweden is not the only country that has "ties" with the YPG.

Well, three weeks have passed and I'm ready to return to this dialogue again.

And also Türkiye is an important Ally with strategic geographic location, being a Black Sea nation, but also bordering Iraq and Syria. And Türkiye has played a key role in our fight against terrorist groups like ISIS / Da’esh. We also need to take into account that no other NATO Ally hosts more refugees than Türkiye. And that Türkiye is playing a key role in providing support to Ukraine. And they are now also playing a key role in the efforts to find a solution on how to export the grain from Ukraine. So when a vital, key Ally like Türkiye raises a concern like terrorism, then of course we have to sit down and take this seriously. And that's exactly what we do.

The NATO Secretary General in Finland gave a press conference, a quote from there.

Finland is not going to extradite to Turkey people whom the Turkish government accuses of terrorism

Finland rules out joining NATO without Sweden

Has Turkey blocked Finland and Sweden from entering NATO, or is it too early to draw any conclusions?

[LTU_btc]

Turkey agrees to back Finland and Sweden bid to join NATO. Memeorandum between these countries has been signed:
https://news.sky.com/story/nato-turkey-agrees-to-back-finland-and-swedens-bid-to-join-alliance-12642100
be.open, what you will say now?

[af_newbie]

Turkey agrees to back Finland and Sweden bid to join NATO. Memeorandum between these countries has been signed:
https://news.sky.com/story/nato-turkey-agrees-to-back-finland-and-swedens-bid-to-join-alliance-12642100
be.open, what you will say now?

Let's be cautious.

Until we see permanent US bases in Finland and Sweden, along with nuclear warheads pointed at St. Petersburg and Moscow, it is all
just paperwork.

It would be great for Putin's plan to lose thousands of tanks and hundreds of thousands of troops AND
get another 1,340 km of border with NATO.

Great plan. Maybe Putin is a CIA operative. ROFL.

[be.open]

Turkey agrees to back Finland and Sweden bid to join NATO. Memeorandum between these countries has been signed:
https://news.sky.com/story/nato-turkey-agrees-to-back-finland-and-swedens-bid-to-join-alliance-12642100
be.open, what you will say now?

Well done Turkey - got what they wanted.
Sweden and Finland seem to have betrayed the Kurds, it will be credited to them.

On the whole, it doesn't matter, in just a few months NATO has degenerated into a clown alliance that can do nothing and decide nothing. At the NATO summit in Madrid, Russian salad was especially popular lol.