Unreasonable Withdrawal Limits on Betiro

[bitterguy28]

The gambling site do not have an announcement thread on this forum. You posted this on the gambling board, go there again and see reputed gambling sites with their announcement threads. Use any of the reputed gambling site like Stake. Stake has both casinos and sports.

I agree with that. If a crypto gambling site isn't presented on this forum, it looks suspicious to me right away. I'm not surprised that OP is having problems with his withdrawals. That was kinda expected, right? There are so many reputable crypto gambling sites presented on this forum that I'm not even registered on all of them. Why look for another?

Buit OP is also  a newbie and looks like he just found this forum trying to look for answer and support like what we have seen many in the past that newbie becomes a victim of casino either scam or abusive and when they are asked why chooses those not familiar casinos from legit casino in this forum , all they answered are almost the same and that is they know nothing about bitcointalk not after being scammed or abuse then they see in search engine this forum.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The gambling site do not have an announcement thread on this forum. You posted this on the gambling board, go there again and see reputed gambling sites with their announcement threads. Use any of the reputed gambling site like Stake. Stake has both casinos and sports.

I agree with that. If a crypto gambling site isn't presented on this forum, it looks suspicious to me right away. I'm not surprised that OP is having problems with his withdrawals. That was kinda expected, right? There are so many reputable crypto gambling sites presented on this forum that I'm not even registered on all of them. Why look for another?

Buit OP is also  a newbie and looks like he just found this forum trying to look for answer and support like what we have seen many in the past that newbie becomes a victim of casino either scam or abusive and when they are asked why chooses those not familiar casinos from legit casino in this forum , all they answered are almost the same and that is they know nothing about bitcointalk not after being scammed or abuse then they see in search engine this forum.

You are right and I agree with you completely, ive also had same experience when a guy came complaining bitterly on this forum how he was scammed by a casino that is not familiar to us on this forum, I felt compassion for him and pmed him to find out why he would choose to play on that casinos, while having hundreds of legitimate and well reputable casinos on this forum at his disposal?
He gave me the exact same reply that he never knew that this forum exist, that it was until he had the issue and started searching for where to share his experiences and possibly get help( if any), that he came across this forum in the search results.

And this also goes to show that most of this newbies usually do not take their time to do a proper and thorough research on casinos they are about to commit money to, before going ahead to, because if they actually do, they should have possibly come across this forum as well, ask questions here before proceeding to deposit money Into the casino if users here with better experiences approve of it.

[EarnOnVictor]

Lol...Casinos having a presence in the forum is not a requisite for good service, and limit issues like this are scarce. This is true for not seeing such as a regular complaint on the forum but everywhere I also read of casino issues. The main ones are the KYC verification issues, reduced wagering limit and withdrawal denial, many of which are worse than the limit issues here, and the casinos advertising here are not exceptions to these complaints.

All I can advise is that we should look for reputable casinos to avoid all that. The best way to do this is to look for well-liquid casinos like Stake.com with track records. By this, you can't be racking your head to gamble and still racking the same head on the withdrawal limit, which is absurd.

It’s true that a casino having an Ann here does not automatically make them reputable but still, if one wishes to use a casino they can simply go through their Ann thread and see what other forum members who have used them before have said concerning them, and that’s the main reason most people always point out if a casino has a presence here or not - it only serves as a means of getting a better view of what to expect if they should start using it.

It's clear you understand what I wrote and I must say also that I understand the extra you added to it. Giving some of the casinos that advertise here or that are active on the forum in one way or another the benefits of the doubt is a very good way to go by. It has guided many and will continue to do so because this is where you can get the most unbiased review of casinos and sportsbooks better than anywhere on the internet.

Nonetheless, one should be very careful because we've seen good casinos/sportsbooks that later turned bad, also in some cases, the casinos/sportsbooks will not turn bad as such but a certain user will still fall victim of certain interests. One or two of what is causing that is when the player is doing so well with the establishment or trying to withdraw his money, which in most cases is big enough to make some less liquid casinos/sportsbooks greedy.

What am I saying? We should not use the advertisement here as a yardstick for an entire endorsement, there must be some factors of safety where thorough research by the person is needed.

[mak013]

It doesn`t matter what they do, decrease bet limit, ban account or setting withdrawal limit. They can do it using the ToS and you can only try to choose casino without such paragraphs, but it mostly mean, that you don`t find it. And when they need - they show it to you.
I think that it is possible to find casino without such paragraphs, but it is really hard and casino willn`t be well-known.

Actually, it does matter what they do. A gambler should indeed read the terms and conditions of a casino before joining so that everything is clear from the beginning, however, if a casino changes things later on and doesn't even inform the gamblers about it, I would consider that a red flag.

There wouldn't be a problem if they had the rule from the beginning, and if they were to make changes, they should have announced it and informed all the players by showing a popup when they sign up, informing them about the changes just like how Stake and other reputable platforms do it.

I would blame the gambler if they hadn't read the rules and then faced some problem, but if the rules have been changed, the gambler isn't wrong.

Do you always read all the ToS? Honestly please.
I read 2 times all the paragraphs but didn`t find paragraph about decreasing bet limit but when i asked the support about it - they showed it to me(just example). In some ToS we can find paragraph that casino can change ToS and gambler agree with it.
If the casino changed ToS and it wasn`t in ToS from the beginning and gambler didn`t agree with it - casino is wrong. But i think that the problem not here. The problem mostly that all it is in ToS from the beginning but we don`t see/read/find it, until is too late.

[Hamphser]

It doesn`t matter what they do, decrease bet limit, ban account or setting withdrawal limit. They can do it using the ToS and you can only try to choose casino without such paragraphs, but it mostly mean, that you don`t find it. And when they need - they show it to you.
I think that it is possible to find casino without such paragraphs, but it is really hard and casino willn`t be well-known.

Actually, it does matter what they do. A gambler should indeed read the terms and conditions of a casino before joining so that everything is clear from the beginning, however, if a casino changes things later on and doesn't even inform the gamblers about it, I would consider that a red flag.

There wouldn't be a problem if they had the rule from the beginning, and if they were to make changes, they should have announced it and informed all the players by showing a popup when they sign up, informing them about the changes just like how Stake and other reputable platforms do it.

I would blame the gambler if they hadn't read the rules and then faced some problem, but if the rules have been changed, the gambler isn't wrong.

Do you always read all the ToS? Honestly please.
I read 2 times all the paragraphs but didn`t find paragraph about decreasing bet limit but when i asked the support about it - they showed it to me(just example). In some ToS we can find paragraph that casino can change ToS and gambler agree with it.
If the casino changed ToS and it wasn`t in ToS from the beginning and gambler didn`t agree with it - casino is wrong. But i think that the problem not here. The problem mostly that all it is in ToS from the beginning but we don`t see/read/find it, until is too late.

Lets just accept the fact that not all would really be that mindful or having the time on reading up sites terms and conditions on which if ever they would really be tending to read it up but still they cant be able to remember whether its been changed up on particular rules or something that has been altered and something that had been changed. This is why no matter what angle that you would really be tending to go or proceed on then there's no way that you could be able to fight up on what casinos that are really that trying out to pull on. Yes, there's nothing we can do if they would really be giving those issues
about on a certain user about being not be able to read up those TOS and have violated it and this is why it do really ends up on holding up with those withdrawals or would be decreasing limit or whatsoever.

This is the main thing that should really be putted up in mind that it would really be always be best that dealing up with known and not into those new platforms that you are heading off with.
It might be not an assurance about not to face up some issues but at least you are that seeing that its a communities choices and recognition.

[Onyeeze]

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Sorry, but what does kyc and identity verification have to do with OP's case? I don't get it, or are you referring to the different limits some service providers set for their customers based on their verification level (the higher the verification level the higher the withdrawal limit)!
This is not what OP is complaining about. OP is complaining about the inconsistency between what's written on the ToS page and what customer support told him regarding withdrawal limits.
I also can't understand why some members keep repeating that it's OP's fault for not reading the ToS! Please, re-read the topic and you will realize this is not true.

I understood you very well, even op composition, don't you know that not been verified can enhance a limit of your withdrawal or it will automatically deny you access of withdrawal, the only thing that is contradictory everything is that op said that he/her did KYC immediately he registered to the platform, the thing is that, let him cross if theirs any ways that the documentation he did failed, because its obvious that KYC can be failed, so it's neither what's causing the problem of limit of with withdrawal in that platform maybe as a result of failed documentation as I said before.

[bettercrypto]

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Sorry, but what does kyc and identity verification have to do with OP's case? I don't get it, or are you referring to the different limits some service providers set for their customers based on their verification level (the higher the verification level the higher the withdrawal limit)!
This is not what OP is complaining about. OP is complaining about the inconsistency between what's written on the ToS page and what customer support told him regarding withdrawal limits.
I also can't understand why some members keep repeating that it's OP's fault for not reading the ToS! Please, re-read the topic and you will realize this is not true.

I understood you very well, even op composition, don't you know that not been verified can enhance a limit of your withdrawal or it will automatically deny you access of withdrawal, the only thing that is contradictory everything is that op said that he/her did KYC immediately he registered to the platform, the thing is that, let him cross if theirs any ways that the documentation he did failed, because its obvious that KYC can be failed, so it's neither what's causing the problem of limit of with withdrawal in that platform maybe as a result of failed documentation as I said before.

In the OP's case, he didn't read the TOS of the casino platform itself, so he was surprised why that was. But we didn't read that his funds were taken and put into the casino, which is also a large amount. Because the first behavior of a new gambler who enters a casino is to try to deposit only a small amount first, not a large amount right away.

Also, an online casino is not a bank, so you can immediately enter a large fund. So the OP's only choice is to follow the rules he can follow, and at least somehow he can still release all his funds, although the only cons are that it is a long process because it is really limited to 500 dollars, even though the withdrawal is not delayed.

[Adbitco]

I am actually shocked to here this name I don't know if they launched here before or it's my fault not to read wider about some casinos but I will say that they have done wrong. Was this withdrawal imposed recently or it was already there because since you hardly make withdrawal instead you keep depositing you might not noticed it. The only thing I will say is that there are trusted casino and gambling site that are trusted and reliable without even limiting users to withdraw their funds from the platform.

[mak013]

Do you always read all the ToS? Honestly please.
I read 2 times all the paragraphs but didn`t find paragraph about decreasing bet limit but when i asked the support about it - they showed it to me(just example). In some ToS we can find paragraph that casino can change ToS and gambler agree with it.
If the casino changed ToS and it wasn`t in ToS from the beginning and gambler didn`t agree with it - casino is wrong. But i think that the problem not here. The problem mostly that all it is in ToS from the beginning but we don`t see/read/find it, until is too late.

Lets just accept the fact that not all would really be that mindful or having the time on reading up sites terms and conditions on which if ever they would really be tending to read it up but still they cant be able to remember whether its been changed up on particular rules or something that has been altered and something that had been changed. This is why no matter what angle that you would really be tending to go or proceed on then there's no way that you could be able to fight up on what casinos that are really that trying out to pull on. Yes, there's nothing we can do if they would really be giving those issues
about on a certain user about being not be able to read up those TOS and have violated it and this is why it do really ends up on holding up with those withdrawals or would be decreasing limit or whatsoever.

This is the main thing that should really be putted up in mind that it would really be always be best that dealing up with known and not into those new platforms that you are heading off with.
It might be not an assurance about not to face up some issues but at least you are that seeing that its a communities choices and recognition.

You nicely said what i tried Yes, even if a read all the ToS, i don`t remember all its paragraphs after half an hour. Also, most time there are some paragraphs like "we can cancel all bets, if we decide that it was fixed match" and they must not prove their decision in any way - they just decided so.
One more plus of the well-known casinos is that they have their thread and representative here and the gambler can speak not only with the support but with the administration and other gamblers too.

[Sunderland]

I am actually shocked to here this name I don't know if they launched here before or it's my fault not to read wider about some casinos but I will say that they have done wrong. Was this withdrawal imposed recently or it was already there because since you hardly make withdrawal instead you keep depositing you might not noticed it. The only thing I will say is that there are trusted casino and gambling site that are trusted and reliable without even limiting users to withdraw their funds from the platform.

The OP only made deposits twice and never withdraw from that platform before, also based on their T&C the withdrawal limit per month was $50k but after requesting a withdrawal it turned out there was a new rule that the max daily withdrawal was only $500 and it wasnt written in their T&C.
So clearly this is a sneaky and unfair method with the intention that players with a decent balance or anyone who win big will continue to play there until their balance runs out.

[Adbitco]

I am actually shocked to here this name I don't know if they launched here before or it's my fault not to read wider about some casinos but I will say that they have done wrong. Was this withdrawal imposed recently or it was already there because since you hardly make withdrawal instead you keep depositing you might not noticed it. The only thing I will say is that there are trusted casino and gambling site that are trusted and reliable without even limiting users to withdraw their funds from the platform.

The OP only made deposits twice and never withdraw from that platform before, also based on their T&C the withdrawal limit per month was $50k but after requesting a withdrawal it turned out there was a new rule that the max daily withdrawal was only $500 and it wasnt written in their T&C.
So clearly this is a sneaky and unfair method with the intention that players with a decent balance or anyone who win big will continue to play there until their balance runs out.

This can only happened if the gambler doesn't have control over his funds or is applying too much greed while gambling because to me if i had big win and such restriction is being noticed what i will do is to leave the casino or limit myself except from only withdrawing days before i could go login there to make withdrawal again to avoid being tempted to gamble more. Sincerely there is a silly play over there because as a casino that is open to their users shouldn't had behave that methods when they noticed there is a winning.

[MarvinHagler]

OP, any update?

They are definitely trying to scam you and avoid paying you out.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I am actually shocked to here this name I don't know if they launched here before or it's my fault not to read wider about some casinos but I will say that they have done wrong. Was this withdrawal imposed recently or it was already there because since you hardly make withdrawal instead you keep depositing you might not noticed it. The only thing I will say is that there are trusted casino and gambling site that are trusted and reliable without even limiting users to withdraw their funds from the platform.

The OP only made deposits twice and never withdraw from that platform before, also based on their T&C the withdrawal limit per month was $50k but after requesting a withdrawal it turned out there was a new rule that the max daily withdrawal was only $500 and it wasnt written in their T&C.
So clearly this is a sneaky and unfair method with the intention that players with a decent balance or anyone who win big will continue to play there until their balance runs out.

This can only happened if the gambler doesn't have control over his funds or is applying too much greed while gambling because to me if i had big win and such restriction is being noticed what i will do is to leave the casino or limit myself except from only withdrawing days before i could go login there to make withdrawal again to avoid being tempted to gamble more. Sincerely there is a silly play over there because as a casino that is open to their users shouldn't had behave that methods when they noticed there is a winning.

It's unfortunate really, but casinos, most especially the new and unpopular ones will always find ways by which they will try to steal from their users, it's unfortunate that op didn't make a proper research before choosing this casino to play on, but I think what Sunderland said can indeed happen to any gambler, regards of whether the gambler is greedy or not doesn't really matter.

But on the other hand as well, what you said makes sense, but this can only work if the casino were to be sincere and willing to pay all the money, because it's also possible that when ever the casino owner(s) notice that you are no longer playing games, but only comes to the casino to request withdrawal of your Funds, they may decide to stop processing the withdrawals requests.
So, my personal opinion is, to keep them interested in processing your withdrawals, you have to play there from time to time, atleast, until you are able to get all your money out.

[rodskee]

OP, any update?

They are definitely trying to scam you and avoid paying you out.

We cannot consider this a scam because he is still allowed to withdraw though a very little amount than how much
he wanted to take out , this is not scamming but Cheating , the site is making their way for a chance of OP risking every
single amount while waiting for His fund to be withdrawn , we have seen this several times here and yeah the concern
party have no control of her funds and losses everything because of the pending withdraws.

[paxmao]

OP, any update?

They are definitely trying to scam you and avoid paying you out.

We cannot consider this a scam because he is still allowed to withdraw though a very little amount than how much
he wanted to take out , this is not scamming but Cheating , the site is making their way for a chance of OP risking every
single amount while waiting for His fund to be withdrawn , we have seen this several times here and yeah the concern
party have no control of her funds and losses everything because of the pending withdraws.

Limiting the withdrawal cannot really be considered as a scam, it is mostly a preventive action just in case something happens and everyone tries to take the money at the same time, etc... It all comes down to the ToS and the agreement, but I guess that between having a hack or a fraud and limiting your withdrawal and cause you some inconvenience, the site will cause you the inconvenience.

[EarnOnVictor]

OP, any update?

They are definitely trying to scam you and avoid paying you out.

We cannot consider this a scam because he is still allowed to withdraw though a very little amount than how much
he wanted to take out , this is not scamming but Cheating , the site is making their way for a chance of OP risking every
single amount while waiting for His fund to be withdrawn , we have seen this several times here and yeah the concern
party have no control of her funds and losses everything because of the pending withdraws.

Limiting the withdrawal cannot really be considered as a scam, it is mostly a preventive action just in case something happens and everyone tries to take the money at the same time, etc... It all comes down to the ToS and the agreement, but I guess that between having a hack or a fraud and limiting your withdrawal and cause you some inconvenience, the site will cause you the inconvenience.

Are you now trying to find an excuse for the casino? You better don't. Because all of their actions and your defence for them are still pointing to guilt. Firstly, their terms and conditions never state what is being meted to the OP. Secondly, you are very wrong if you do not regard what is happening as a scam. A scam is not all about stealing your money, if someone is dishonest with their words and services, they are scamming you, period. You might want to confirm that though.

Lastly, there is no hacking prevention or fraudulent act that should have caused them to limit someone's withdrawal to that extent and the support has nothing to say about that. This is purely a deliberate and a dishonest act that shows how irresponsible they are. How can you call it fair under any guise for someone who could send about $10,000 without any stress into the casino but will take him at least 20 days to withdrawal his money. That is sheer wickedness if you do not know and it is doesn't sound good for you to talk it down.

[panjul07]

OP, any update?

They are definitely trying to scam you and avoid paying you out.

We cannot consider this a scam because he is still allowed to withdraw though a very little amount than how much
he wanted to take out , this is not scamming but Cheating , the site is making their way for a chance of OP risking every
single amount while waiting for His fund to be withdrawn , we have seen this several times here and yeah the concern
party have no control of her funds and losses everything because of the pending withdraws.

Yes it is kind of cheating because the casino change and even add a new term upon withdrawal request which is not mentioned on their terms page.
However cheating may turn into scam later so I think this experience is a good warning for us, at least we who read this topic will not fall into the trap by this casino.
I'm curious now, how much have been cashed out by OP far since its been almost 3 weeks since he created this thread.
Hopefully he is still patience enough in requesting withdrawal daily until he manage to withdraw all his money.