Request a new Definition for Merit Sources every 3 Month !

[dkbit98]

Perhaps an alternative solution, should theymos choose to do nothing, is for a merit source (or merit sources) to create "mini-merit sources", where said merit sources monthly sends 50 merits to everybody on this list, who will then have 25 smerits each to merit other users.

There is nothing stopping merit sources to send 50 merits even now, but they should not do it only to some approved members.
I don't want to see rules around merits to be very strict, except in case when there is some merit abuse or selling.
I remember few years ago members and merit source asked for merits all the time, but that is not the case these days, so there is obviously not such a high demand.

[BenCodie]

If there have been problems with merit sources in the past and were quickly quashed, how does that mean that the problem is solved or doesn't still exist?

You weren't active at the time, but in 2018 there was an instance of one merit source giving out truckloads of merits for shitposts in an attempt to demonstrate how the merit system didn't work. They were removed as a merit source by theymos. That was considered to be a "problem." There have been very few problems of that magnitude since then. I can't recall any other merit source being involuntarily removed from their position.

Good to know that there is precedent for merit sources being removed for abusing their power.

No, that isn't the real problem. It's not a problem because shitposts get ignored, as do their complaints about not getting enough merit. That is not near as big of a problem in comparison to merit sources abusing their powers to do things like favor their friends or farm accounts, both of which are happening currently.

It probably does happen but you've yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims.

I've said this multiple times before, I am not time rich - I do not spend hours and hours on the forum or have enough time to allocate to research outside of the few hours I already allocate to both the forum and research per week. You will see the evidence when I've posted the threads.

I don't see how that would be. If there are merit sources in a 3 month period who clearly abuse their powers, they'll be excluded and it will be noticed much more than the current vague practice where a select few members (who are also highly trusted and harder to be spoken against if they were to be abusing their power) are merit sources indefinitely.

Yet there aren't any merit sources deemed to be abusing their powers at the moment. So the change being proposed assumes that the forum will have to rely on more people to do the right thing. That's not an improvement.

Please don't respond, "I'm working on an investigation to expose the abusers" -- you've already said this a dozen times across various threads, and its meaningless talk since you've yet to demonstrate you're capable of actually investigating anything.

I've said that I'm investigating bc game, those who are in high trust positions and anyone conducting wrongdoing. To you, it's meaningless, though you or others prompt me to say it when it's appropriate to do so.

Additionally, I pointed out over 15 accounts that woke up just to abuse the eXch phishing campaign, saving eXch in the realms of $5k-$10k as a result. It's absolutely untrue that I haven't demonstrated a capability to investigate, though even that aside, I have said multiple times that what I am researching are delicate situations involving people and entities of high power. I've also said that I'm not in a rush to post the threads, as I would prefer to post when the possibility to refute is little to none. That takes time, not just doing the research but presenting the truckload of information in a way that is digestible. You're welcome to continue calling things meaningless though it really is just an assumption.

Another reason I continue to mention what I'm working is not just because it's appropriate, but it also may prompt others to do research themselves as well.

If you disagree with that then that's just two people disagreeing. You aren't the judge and jury on what people can say or post, especially if you are just guessing yourself (assuming you are genuinely uninvolved in any abuse or wrongdoing, and aren't just covering up for people).

[The Sceptical Chymist]

As to the rotating merit source suggestion, I have to strenuously oppose it; I think the rotating DT1 crap is just that--crap.  There have been some good ideas here over the years (like the merit system as a shining example), and there have been ones that have left me scratching my head.

What Theymos ought to do is give some guidance as to how he thinks the merit system is working and what his plans are as far as adding merit sources.  Outright ignoring merit source applications for years is rude at best, especially since they take a lot of work to post.  And yep, we've lost some sources to attrition but the community has no clue what big boss man plans to do about replacing them.

But I've written all that shit before and it does no good.  No offense meant, OP, but this thread here will fall on deaf ears.  Theymos is obviously engaged in some other important activity and can't devote any time to addressing any of our concerns.  Show me where I'm wrong.

[LoyceV]

What Theymos ought to do is give some guidance as to how he thinks the merit system is working and what his plans are as far as adding merit sources.  Outright ignoring merit source applications for years is rude at best, especially since they take a lot of work to post.  And yep, we've lost some sources to attrition but the community has no clue what big boss man plans to do about replacing them.

Merit sources have something in common with Moderators now: both barely get any changes.

[babo]

Perhaps an alternative solution, should theymos choose to do nothing, is for a merit source (or merit sources) to create "mini-merit sources", where said merit sources monthly sends 50 merits to everybody on this list, who will then have 25 smerits each to merit other users.

It is worth noting that 25 smerits is much less than the 100 smerits minimum that theymos assigns merit sources, so I don't think one merit source can do this by himself.

I'm already a mini merit source ahahah with 45 monthly smerit to give
I'm not complaining, let's be clear, I do it to help the community

however the less I have the less I can give, that's all

compared to others I really look like a little garden gnome lol

[nutildah]

I've said that I'm investigating bc game, those who are in high trust positions and anyone conducting wrongdoing.

I'll believe it when I see it. You've sure got a lot of posts out of telling people you are investigating something without actually offering any proof you are investigating anything. Just a lot of accusations across the board w/o anything tangible to back them up. Its been going on for months now...

As to the rotating merit source suggestion, I have to strenuously oppose it; I think the rotating DT1 crap is just that--crap.  There have been some good ideas here over the years (like the merit system as a shining example), and there have been ones that have left me scratching my head.

I kind of like it as its a kind of democracy that is unique to the forum ("democracy + an element of randomness").

What Theymos ought to do is give some guidance as to how he thinks the merit system is working and what his plans are as far as adding merit sources.  Outright ignoring merit source applications for years is rude at best, especially since they take a lot of work to post.  And yep, we've lost some sources to attrition but the community has no clue what big boss man plans to do about replacing them.

I'm in agreement with this. I suppose the addition of a few new merit sources to replaces the inactive ones wouldn't hurt.

[Sexylizzy2813]

So it depends on how active a Merit Source is or what every you are consider to impliment for that.

With all that the rotation of Merit Sources should be changed every 3 Month.

I dont know how others see that but that is just an Idea for Merit Sources.

I don't know how this is going to work, change of merit source every 3 months? And those who applied since 2 to 3 years ago haven't gotten any reply from theymos and more are still applying some are planning to, so how is it going to work? Fine let's say theymos accept OP's idea who are the members to take over from the current merit source in the next 3 months? Nobody.
Earning merit these days is very hard and the only thing that might work is by suggesting that the current merit source should be active and do things the way they were doing before now, but if you think changing merit source every 3 months will work I doubt if it will.

[BenCodie]

I've said that I'm investigating bc game, those who are in high trust positions and anyone conducting wrongdoing.

I'll believe it when I see it. You've sure got a lot of posts out of telling people you are investigating something without actually offering any proof you are investigating anything. Just a lot of accusations across the board w/o anything tangible to back them up. Its been going on for months now...

I wouldn't say there's a lot, and I wouldn't say it's not on topic and in line with the conversation when it is mentioned. I don't just go around saying it spontaneously. I have not laid "a lot of accusations across the board w/o anything tangible to back them up" on multiple subjects either, generally it is two topics - casino malpractice and forum member corruption. It's been going on for months because the topic keeps being arisen while I haven't found a lot of time to finish the threads. It's tiring work, though it will be done when it's done. Again, I see no reason to give myself an expiration date by going on about something that won't ever exist. Though in saying that, you don't have any right to start judging me or my credibility because I haven't posted fast enough for you.

As to the rotating merit source suggestion, I have to strenuously oppose it; I think the rotating DT1 crap is just that--crap.  There have been some good ideas here over the years (like the merit system as a shining example), and there have been ones that have left me scratching my head.

What Theymos ought to do is give some guidance as to how he thinks the merit system is working and what his plans are as far as adding merit sources.  Outright ignoring merit source applications for years is rude at best, especially since they take a lot of work to post.  And yep, we've lost some sources to attrition but the community has no clue what big boss man plans to do about replacing them.

But I've written all that shit before and it does no good.  No offense meant, OP, but this thread here will fall on deaf ears.  Theymos is obviously engaged in some other important activity and can't devote any time to addressing any of our concerns.  Show me where I'm wrong.

What do you think about voting (for merit sources) rather than rotation?

[Cryptohygenic]

^ Being active doesn't necessarily mean posting more, it can be based on their merit spending nature. So let's say if someone is active related to exchange boards then they will also read and merit worthy posts if it's possible so why not have a different approach? Because theymos himself acknowledged that merit system is not complete and in future there could be changes if necessary and I beleive if it's not now then when?

Someone can actually be active in the forum for quite awhile without dropping a word in the forum. Especially those officiating in the forum such as moderators and the merit source.
There most obligations is to keep their respective sub boards clean from unwanted posts and as well encouraging quality posts. For the sake this maybe mentally stressful in keeping all posts on tracks, it may not be easy for such users to keep posting on the regular like a in the signature campaign who may likely post just for post count just as Vapourminer said earlier, the demand for active merit source to keep update on merit distribution does not hold any bond of good quality and same time maybe unnecessary.
Although a user with much free time might actually step on it by creating a chart and updating it records of how the merits were distributed and in other view again, it would be unnecessary as the merit source distributed merits can as well be visible when visits their profile merit summary (sent merits)

[Lafu]

I don't know how this is going to work, change of merit source every 3 months?

Its just was an Idea , and lets say we can change that to every 6 Month , depends on active the Merit Source is.
I came up with that idea because there are so many Users that applied for an Merit Source and nothing happend really here in the last 2 years.
On top of that there are so many Merit Sources that have been not active for Month.

Earning merit these days is very hard

No its not , people and Users just posting crap and dont think about about that what they are posting , thats the one that are complaining about.
I dont doing that to gain more Merits i doing that and bring up some some Ideas because there are a lot of Sources be are not active.
Sorry to say that but you your to young to understand that all as it was back in the days.

Again for all others this not to rechange the whole system it was just an Idea.

[nutildah]

Its just was an Idea , and lets say we can change that to every 6 Month , depends on active the Merit Source is.
I came up with that idea because there are so many Users that applied for an Merit Source and nothing happend really here in the last 2 years.
On top of that there are so many Merit Sources that have been not active for Month.

I have to be honest: I am dismayed with the amount of cheating & manipulation that goes on in this forum. I'm starting to get the feeling that there are far, far more alt accounts on the forum than anyone can imagine. Making a swindling alt account a merit source can have far reaching effects: everything from ranking up alts for sig campaigns to farming accounts for loan scams. That's why I think the hesitation to add new merit sources is warranted.

you don't have any right to start judging me or my credibility because I haven't posted fast enough for you.

I have every right to judge you and your credibility, just as you have the right to attack my reputation by insinuating I'm part of some alt farm or larger forum conspiracy. My point is nobody is impressed by accusations without substance to back them up. Anybody can do that, and anybody does it, and they have the same amount of credibility as you: zero.

You've made a lot of accusations against other forum members and even the forum's admin, but so far haven't backed up a single one of them. Usually what happens when credible people make accusations is they post the evidence along with the accusation. But not you, because you're special, I guess.

[babo]

I don't know, I repeat, I'm speaking from the point of view of a merits source with 45 monthly smerits
doing the rotation every 3 months for this misery makes no sense

It makes sense to split up those who have too many and perhaps can't give them all and do, I don't know, instead of one merit source of 1000, two of 500


It seems to me the most logical choice

[Findingnemo]

I don't know, I repeat, I'm speaking from the point of view of a merits source with 45 monthly smerits
doing the rotation every 3 months for this misery makes no sense

It makes sense to split up those who have too many and perhaps can't give them all and do, I don't know, instead of one merit source of 1000, two of 500


It seems to me the most logical choice

From your perspective it will be a good thing to do but Loycev explained it better, the merits are not scarce so no point in reducing one to increase another unless the admin want to keep the merit distribution to a certain number for some reason. But 45? That's too low, theymos should review them once in a while and whoever exhausts their merits should get a 10% increase after a cycle, which can be 3 months or 6 months, and it can keep on going.

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For the sake this maybe mentally stressful in keeping all posts on tracks, it may not be easy for such users to keep posting on the regular
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As I said, being active doesn't necessarily mean posting more, it is about how much time they spend on reading others' post and able to make a judgment whether it will be helpful for others too and encourage such posts with merits. Posting frequency is their preference and no one should force change their posting habit just because they are in signature campaign.

[BenCodie]

Its just was an Idea , and lets say we can change that to every 6 Month , depends on active the Merit Source is.
I came up with that idea because there are so many Users that applied for an Merit Source and nothing happend really here in the last 2 years.
On top of that there are so many Merit Sources that have been not active for Month.

I have to be honest: I am dismayed with the amount of cheating & manipulation that goes on in this forum. I'm starting to get the feeling that there are far, far more alt accounts on the forum than anyone can imagine. Making a swindling alt account a merit source can have far reaching effects: everything from ranking up alts for sig campaigns to farming accounts for loan scams. That's why I think the hesitation to add new merit sources is warranted.

You're "starting" to get the feeling 

you don't have any right to start judging me or my credibility because I haven't posted fast enough for you.

You've made a lot of accusations against other forum members and even the forum's admin, but so far haven't backed up a single one of them. Usually what happens when credible people make accusations is they post the evidence along with the accusation. But not you, because you're special, I guess.

I have every right to judge you and your credibility, just as you have the right to attack my reputation by insinuating I'm part of some alt farm or larger forum conspiracy. My point is nobody is impressed by accusations without substance to back them up. Anybody can do that, and anybody does it, and they have the same amount of credibility as you: zero.

The forum admin blew tens of thousands of donated Bitcoins on new forum software and controls administration over a forum that is for a decentralized currency. That's not accusation, it's truth. Other members of the forum are corrupt and enabling corruption to breed and thrive in the forum. That's no lie, it's truth. It's visible, and happening right in front of the community. It's not made up. How much do I need to point out? What do you want me to make a thread about to back up my claims? Tell me and I'll make sure it's in line with what I'm already working on.

In relation to you, I have asked you the questions required to gauge your level of involvement, and you have always avoided questions, answered ambiguously, and/or never clearly answered "no, I'm not aware of or a part of any wrongdoing on this forum". There would always be some adjusting of words to avoid lying and addressing certain topics. That's one reason why I question your integrity and made the comments that I did. Another is that you are quite aware of the abuse that happens on this forum and yet your efforts seem very limited and selective, like you are not limitless but limited, thus in some form, corrupt.

Also, being special has nothing to do with it. The root of our problem is that you are choosing not to take into account the time that it takes to create a thread, that way you can say that I have no credibility due to the threads not being posted yet, or even worse that I am making things up, when actually what I am speaking of are delicate subjects (due to it involving trusted members of the community and their legitimacy as community members) and therefore takes time to publish about without being punished for doing so. I'm sure you know that already though, and I assume you'll continue beating the no credibility drum despite a lot of what I say being in plain sight/visible to a lot of others (and even, being discussed by others).

I just want to say as well that before I "opened my mouth" (as you put it):
- People didn't realize BC game was scamming selectively. Now it's becoming known and discussed in the forum, and my thread should serve as a big blow to their ongoing scam, as well as other casinos doing similar things. If administration or the legitimate segment of trusted members on this forum care about reducing criminal activity, then it's possible that something will be done on that level.
- Even you denied or evaded questions of any existent of large, elite/trusted member-run alt farms initially, and now even if your post you suggested that alt/farming happening through merit sources) is something you now admit you are "starting" to feel is happening.

As far as I am aware, my raise of awareness through my posts are working...why? Because once again, a lot of what I say is already out in the open for everyone to see, and dig further into. I want my threads not to be new revelations, but nails in coffins. If it means you will try to hurt my credibility every time I post on the topics, so be it. Time will favor me, not you

[nutildah]

The forum admin blew tens of thousands of donated Bitcoins on new forum software and controls administration over a forum that is for a decentralized currency.

So what? It was a mistake. He admitted it as such. I red tagged the appropriate account (the contractor), which is more than you did. Now its time to move on. Nobody owes you anything BTW. If you feel this was a disgrace to the forum and you don't trust the admin then you should just move on as this obviously isn't the place for you. Whining about it won't fix anything.

Other members of the forum are corrupt and enabling corruption to breed and thrive in the forum. That's no lie, it's truth. It's visible, and happening right in front of the community. It's not made up. How much do I need to point out? What do you want me to make a thread about to back up my claims? Tell me and I'll make sure it's in line with what I'm already working on.

Again, words are extremely cheap. Anybody can say anything. You should back up every accusation you make with hard evidence. If you can't do this, your words have no value whatsoever. Nobody should have to remind you about this. As an adult on the internet, you should know this already.

In relation to you, I have asked you the questions required to gauge your level of involvement, and you have always avoided questions, answered ambiguously, and/or never clearly answered "no, I'm not aware of or a part of any wrongdoing on this forum".

You are so massively full of shit its not even funny. Again, nobody owes you anything. Its on you to gather evidence to support your claims, not on anybody to answer jack shit for you. If I don't want to answer your questions its because I think you're a jackass. Just making piles of allegations without a sliver of proof to back them up. Truly pathetic.

I just want to say as well that before I "opened my mouth" (as you put it):

I did not say this. Stop twisting my words to fit your personal agenda.

[babo]

I don't know, I repeat, I'm speaking from the point of view of a merits source with 45 monthly smerits
doing the rotation every 3 months for this misery makes no sense

It makes sense to split up those who have too many and perhaps can't give them all and do, I don't know, instead of one merit source of 1000, two of 500


It seems to me the most logical choice

From your perspective it will be a good thing to do but Loycev explained it better, the merits are not scarce so no point in reducing one to increase another unless the admin want to keep the merit distribution to a certain number for some reason. But 45? That's too low, theymos should review them once in a while and whoever exhausts their merits should get a 10% increase after a cycle, which can be 3 months or 6 months, and it can keep on going.

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For the sake this maybe mentally stressful in keeping all posts on tracks, it may not be easy for such users to keep posting on the regular
~

As I said, being active doesn't necessarily mean posting more, it is about how much time they spend on reading others' post and able to make a judgment whether it will be helpful for others too and encourage such posts with merits. Posting frequency is their preference and no one should force change their posting habit just because they are in signature campaign.

yes ok I understood what LoyceV said
but I still don't understand the rotation proposal, it seems to me with too much effort
maybe I'm a little limited in my imagination, this could be it, I don't rule it out at all
In my opinion it would be an effort that is not rewarded

[Lafu]

As i have expected that the Community is not happy with that kind of Idea and suggestion i will be locking this Topic now to prevent any kind of spam !

Thank you for all that left there opinions about that whole Idea and the pros and contras about it.
It was just an Idea and has nothing to do or against all active Merit Sources to be clear.
Really appreciate every one and the lot of Merit Sources that try to give and doinf there best for the Forum and the Community.

Wish you all a nice and good Weekend !