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June 11, 2020, 01:55:07 AM
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I'd forgotten about this thread and what an absolute douchebag Luck dash jnr was when the first few early alts started appearing, He was very vocal about the fact that hated any blockchain that wasn't bitcoin.

I posted on page 10 of this thread as I was pretty pissed off with his behaviour i.e. using his own pools miners to 51% attack the chain.
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July 04, 2020, 05:29:37 PM
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Well the coin is definitely alive and in use, it not only has its own "treasury" on the HORIZON network, account NHZ-XDR9-Y9WL-8E3Y-88M35, but is also implemented as a "reserve currency" that other such "treasuries" can use so that they can all count holdings of CLC toward the value of their own currency.

So far not a lot of them have actually done so, mostly I think it is the other currencies that were also implemented into the "treasuries" system lately that incorporated some CLC into their "treasury" since a bunch of the newly-implemented ones co-operated somewhat in getting themselves all set up.

This puts them a little ahead in terms of implementation of the "New Roman Denarius" that most-recently began to be implemented in that the NRD is so far only implemented as having a "treasury" from which to calculate its value and has not yet been added into those calculations as being itself a "reserve currency" for use in other "treasuries".

The "treasuries" system seems to work reasonably well after all these years in development but is still being tweaked, the current set of changes involves phasing out the use of shares in "treasuries", particularly the use of "finance corp" shares such as GFC (General Financial Corp) shares, mostly because such shares, particularly GFC itself, have over the years of accumulating interest on debts become quite strong "leverage" items so we are phasing out the use of them in "treasuries" to limit the affect of all that interest on the values of all the "treasury" based currencies. Instead the "treasuries" will need to actually put some of whatever folks pay their debts with into the "treasury" if they want any of those earnings to count toward their "treasury" and thus toward the calculated relative value of their currency.

I have just now finished calculating the "Latest Rates" include-file, http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/latestrates.inc and uploaded it, am currently uploading the various tables and plots of historical values generated from it, it shows CLC's latest value in DeVCoins as CLCrate=34.94987343

(That is how many DeVCoins one CLC coin is computed to be worth based on the relative values of all the "treasuries" based currencies.)

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CLC/XLM and CLC/DVC are set up on the Stellar platform.

For CLC (CoiLedCoin) on the Stellar platform see  http://makemoney.knotwork.com/stellar/clc/ ( Explorer: https://stellar.expert/explorer/public/asset/CLC-GBHAQ252S4Z4AQOM4BWIRC3UHAOJIKCZQBUJGD336YH2O7W2NKRXMHA5 )

For DVC (DeVCoin) on the Stellar platform see http://makemoney.knotwork.com/stellar/dvc/ ( Explorer: https://stellar.expert/explorer/public/asset/DVC-GBHAQ252S4Z4AQOM4BWIRC3UHAOJIKCZQBUJGD336YH2O7W2NKRXMHA5 )

Since this thread seems to date back to before there was an "announcements" section, I have started an [ANN] thread for CLC at

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5336604.0

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September 25, 2024, 04:08:33 AM
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Chickens and eggs. No miners = no traction. Smiley

Especially around here, where every time a coin comes out that does not involve mining its announce thread starts accumulating complaints and scam-accusations!

Admittedly exchanges also give traction, but there are advantages to not being on exchanges, because regulators are more likely to question a game-currency's status as being "just a token used in games" if exchanges for it officially exist. (Notice that until quite recently most/all large MMORPGs forbade buying/selling game stuff for real money? Until a year or few ago some big name one put a real money market right into its game, likely after racking up oodles of expensive legal fees...)

Player groups such as guilds, parties, associations and such like GRouPcoin not just because it has GRouP in the name but also because it does not "officially" have exchanges to/from "real money"...

CoiLedCoin thus far has that same "niche advantage".

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We have still, I think, quite a way to go before we will be ready to start hard-coding into "smart contracts" the "game mechanics" that for all these years (well over a decade) we have been play-testing; but nonetheless maybe it would be a good idea for more of us, more of the time, to at least sniff the wind as it were regarding how the political / jurisdictional climate has evolved on the planet known as Earth over all that time...

...At a glance (sniff) as it were I notice in recent years a whole lot of games using a whole lot of currencies and assets and coins and tokens and contracts and so on and so on; but whether that means every detail of the game-mechanics of the Galactic Milieu is "strictly kosher" in all jurisdictions on said planet might still be worth some deep-dive digging long before it all gets written in the stone of irrevocable smart-contracts?



Does anyone have any links to the wallets?
Someone should post them someplace. Yeah, it's an old just about dead coin but it's still an important part of crypto history.

-Dave

Thank you for your recognition of the historic significance of this coin; maybe we should make a heritage badge or something like houses and other buildings have marking them as heritage properties etc. Smiley



Well the coin is definitely alive and in use, it not only has its own "treasury" on the HORIZON network, account NHZ-XDR9-Y9WL-8E3Y-88M35, but is also implemented as a "reserve currency" that other such "treasuries" can use so that they can all count holdings of CLC toward the value of their own currency.

So far not a lot of them have actually done so, mostly I think it is the other currencies that were also implemented into the "treasuries" system lately that incorporated some CLC into their "treasury" since a bunch of the newly-implemented ones co-operated somewhat in getting themselves all set up.

This puts them a little ahead in terms of implementation of the "New Roman Denarius" that most-recently began to be implemented in that the NRD is so far only implemented as having a "treasury" from which to calculate its value and has not yet been added into those calculations as being itself a "reserve currency" for use in other "treasuries".

The "treasuries" system seems to work reasonably well after all these years in development but is still being tweaked, the current set of changes involves phasing out the use of shares in "treasuries", particularly the use of "finance corp" shares such as GFC (General Financial Corp) shares, mostly because such shares, particularly GFC itself, have over the years of accumulating interest on debts become quite strong "leverage" items so we are phasing out the use of them in "treasuries" to limit the affect of all that interest on the values of all the "treasury" based currencies. Instead the "treasuries" will need to actually put some of whatever folks pay their debts with into the "treasury" if they want any of those earnings to count toward their "treasury" and thus toward the calculated relative value of their currency.

I have just now finished calculating the "Latest Rates" include-file, http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/latestrates.inc and uploaded it, am currently uploading the various tables and plots of historical values generated from it, it shows CLC's latest value in DeVCoins as CLCrate=34.94987343

(That is how many DeVCoins one CLC coin is computed to be worth based on the relative values of all the "treasuries" based currencies.)


Snippets like the above were, I had always hoped, fodder for the Devtome project, as in all those players earning all those DeVCoins for posting articles about all the projects under the DeVCoin umbrella / selected as beneficiaries of shares of DeVCoin minting / being of use to the overarching DeVCoin project would be gathering and collating all such glimpses into the workings of the Milieu, not just all their tips and tricks and strategies for advancing in the game, in putting together their lucrative articles about it all. Sad

For a long long time now the Devtome wiki has been read-only, possibly partly because it actually had not been evolving as much of a documentation site documenting all aspects of the project and all the many and various sub-projects.

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September 13, 2025, 09:34:48 PM
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Is anybody still mining this coin? It certainly has an interesting backstory...


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September 13, 2025, 10:17:03 PM
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Not that I have heard about in a while.
I actually bought the coiledcoin.org & com domains with the plan of doing something with them. But as always life got in the way.

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September 13, 2025, 10:18:49 PM
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Its blockchain is still moving, so yes.

It is of course also still traded on HORIZON and STELLAR platforms as posted previously.

According to the Latest Rates include-file its treasuries-based value is CLCrate=109.77811321 DeVCoins per CoiLedCoin.

Converting the values to be denominated in CoiLedCoins instead of in DeVCoins we get:

Code:
sBCErate=1384.30120623
sBCIrate=125.36741882
sBMCrate=177.35882013
sBRFrate=138.25865946
BTCrate=1206358.81729026
CDNrate=96.57560655
CLCrate=1.00000000
sCMCrate=511.50645052
sCRFrate=4254.29766179
CZBrate=1.32402208
DVCrate=.00910928
sDVCrate=11901.20059144
FBXrate=1.24082867
sGDCrate=12608.54191781
sGFCrate=46401.58297319
sGFFrate=1.55106552
sGHCrate=3233.98829467
GMCrate=64.36311540
sGMCFrate=2675.97362576
GPLrate=138.66606002
GPL2rate=96.23563324
sGRCrate=14066.73279382
GRFrate=157.21768315
sGRFFrate=15864.80766459
sGROWrate=20.61161608
GRPrate=1.79681455
sGRPrate=1070.09992116
I0Crate=6.30400342
IXCrate=5.85978448
LTCrate=1207.29699363
MBCrate=287.35936793
NDLrate=.00001656
NKLrate=4.67534451
NMCrate=14.91825945
NRDrate=3.83413349
QBTrate=.02896016
SPICErate=134.63946334
TBXrate=1.10513299
UFCrate=.74595364
UKBrate=95.82944946
sUNFrate=2082.21438303
UNSrate=126.15145260
USFrate=.72260264
XGGrate=.37268435


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September 14, 2025, 11:18:46 AM
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Its blockchain is still moving, so yes.

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How did you get it to compile? I have not been able to for a while and all the old copies of the clients I had did not find any other nodes.

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Probably haven't compiled it for years, a lot of these old coins won't build on Ubuntu any later than 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver).

Seems a lot of apps stopped being updated beyond that point so Bionic seems to be quite a common "old" version still being used for a lot of things; some of the old coins I even managed to build for the Bionic Puppy version of Puppy Linux, for some old 32-bit boxes I happened across. I don't think I tried building CoiLedCoin for that though so not sure if it is one of those it would work with.

Sometmes one needs also to mess with boost version and for some I never managed to get GUI version but I typically only use the daemon not the GUI.

Once I built for Bionic 64-bit many years ago I just copied over my binaries year after year machine to machine.

Often though I have to get some libraries too to make the binaries work. Again not sure which for which coins though nor whether CoiLedCoin was one such.

Years go by without anyone wanting to trade real coins for tokens or vice-versa, mostly we use HORIZON and STELLAR tokens instead of the on the blockchain coins, for all the coins we use in the Galactic Milieu.

For all of them my two main node servers are LFM.Knotwork.com and Server1.Knotwork.net


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Probably haven't compiled it for years, a lot of these old coins won't build on Ubuntu any later than 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver).

Seems a lot of apps stopped being updated beyond that point so Bionic seems to be quite a common "old" version still being used for a lot of things; some of the old coins I even managed to build for the Bionic Puppy version of Puppy Linux, for some old 32-bit boxes I happened across. I don't think I tried building CoiLedCoin for that though so not sure if it is one of those it would work with.

Sometmes one needs also to mess with boost version and for some I never managed to get GUI version but I typically only use the daemon not the GUI.

Once I built for Bionic 64-bit many years ago I just copied over my binaries year after year machine to machine.

Often though I have to get some libraries too to make the binaries work. Again not sure which for which coins though nor whether CoiLedCoin was one such.


-MarkM-


I tried on 18.04 and could not get it to work. Figured since the coin was originally from early 2012 it would need something older then that, like a 10.x or 11.x or 12.x Ubuntu but perhaps something as new as 16.x. But, if I had to spin up a machine running older software didn't want to have to do it a few times till I found the version that I could compile this one piece of software on. So I would do it whenever I had time....once again, one of those projects that are probably never going to happen.

Since you said it was running I figured you had been able to compile it on something newer. What do you have for peers? As I said last time I got none when I last launched it.

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Currently I seem to have lost contact with machines in my houses that were or maybe still are running it, so my two main node-servers only seem to be talking to each-other.

Yet it seemed to be taking 50 minutes or somesuch between blocks so possibly it has a minimum difficulty of 1, I had only had one of the servers using one CPU core on it; I sped it up to 3 cores and it moved a lot faster then dropped it back to two cores for now to see if that is enough to keep it at a not too slow block-speed. It currently mints 2.5 CLC per block. Seems it was many months ago likely over a year even that I last had looked at it but it only accumulated 28k+ coins in all that time.


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EDIT: It just occurred to me that like IXCoin and I0Coin, CoiLedCoin is ancient, so I just checked its holdings of "shares": sure enough, like those other two coins, CLC holds 1000 "shares" of General Hosting Corp aka Galactic Holding Corp, which is basically the "political capital" of the Milieu. It seems that way back when we started it was just naturally assumed that all those old coins would have a "Civilisation" in the FreeCiv scale of the game thus they all equipped themselves with GHC shares since the idea was and is that only Civilisations can have such shares and also that in order to have a Civilisation you must have such shares. Thing is, for some of those old coins no-one ever came forward as players playing those coins thus many of them have never yet picked which of the civilisations FreeCiv offers is the one whose currency the coin happens to be, so all these years they have sat around without anyone knowing what civilisation's currency they are and no-one playing such a civilisation and presumably building up an ever-growing Civilisation maybe getting star-travel and colonising more planets and so on and so on and so on. I guess most folks just don't care about whatever civilisation or Corp or guild or clan or group or team or whatever coins are actually associated with they just buy and sell tokens and coins oblivious to what they are supposedly used for on what planets in which galaxies or whatever... Smiley


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