Trust spam happens

[tspacepilot]

I think that is untrusted feedback, it's all over Vod's profile too.
Vod deserved it, and you too kind of deserve some negative trust (for starting the flame regarding MSDN sales)  But this is not the way how this should happen.
This is totally wrong. Admins would surely remove it

I got into it a little bit with Vod yesterday because I also don't understand how/why MSCORP intellectual property has anything to do with the bitcoinforum or why he's going around neg-repping anyone who deals with this stuff.  Why are people on default trust acting as MSCORP representatives I can't understand.

FuckIdolPlus, are you starting shit related to MSCORP?  Why?

(I'm not saying you deserve the trust spam, just asking why/if this is the case.)

[erikalui]

I was told earlier by a member that creating multiple accounts is allowed and giving negative or positive feedback also via those accounts is allowed. Trust isn't moderated and so I don't think it can be removed and most members don't take it seriously if it appears spammy but you have got negative feedback by so many users for different reasons and some look valid "Never dealed with this person , Giving bad feedbacks , he should mind his own bussiness." "I Never deal with you, why do you leave "Negative feedback" for me?"

[Quickseller]

I think that is untrusted feedback, it's all over Vod's profile too.
Vod deserved it, and you too kind of deserve some negative trust (for starting the flame regarding MSDN sales)  But this is not the way how this should happen.
This is totally wrong. Admins would surely remove it

I got into it a little bit with Vod yesterday because I also don't understand how/why MSCORP intellectual property has anything to do with the bitcoinforum or why he's going around neg-repping anyone who deals with this stuff.  Why are people on default trust acting as MSCORP representatives I can't understand.

FuckIdolPlus, are you starting shit related to MSCORP?  Why?

(I'm not saying you deserve the trust spam, just asking why/if this is the case.)

He has a financial interest in Microsoft/Microsoft products. People selling Microsoft products at a discount will make it so the time he invested in becoming a Microsoft certified engineer potentially worth less

[tspacepilot]

I think that is untrusted feedback, it's all over Vod's profile too.
Vod deserved it, and you too kind of deserve some negative trust (for starting the flame regarding MSDN sales)  But this is not the way how this should happen.
This is totally wrong. Admins would surely remove it

I got into it a little bit with Vod yesterday because I also don't understand how/why MSCORP intellectual property has anything to do with the bitcoinforum or why he's going around neg-repping anyone who deals with this stuff.  Why are people on default trust acting as MSCORP representatives I can't understand.

FuckIdolPlus, are you starting shit related to MSCORP?  Why?

(I'm not saying you deserve the trust spam, just asking why/if this is the case.)

He has a financial interest in Microsoft/Microsoft products. People selling Microsoft products at a discount will make it so the time he invested in becoming a Microsoft certified engineer potentially worth less

Yah, we discussused that in the other thread.  I've removed Vod's ratings from my trust network because of this.  I'm not interested in what the microsoft police consider good or bad.  Too bad he's on default trust so microsoft is essentially moderating bitcoin deals

[abyrnes81]

I think that is untrusted feedback, it's all over Vod's profile too.
Vod deserved it, and you too kind of deserve some negative trust (for starting the flame regarding MSDN sales)  But this is not the way how this should happen.
This is totally wrong. Admins would surely remove it

I got into it a little bit with Vod yesterday because I also don't understand how/why MSCORP intellectual property has anything to do with the bitcoinforum or why he's going around neg-repping anyone who deals with this stuff.  Why are people on default trust acting as MSCORP representatives I can't understand.

FuckIdolPlus, are you starting shit related to MSCORP?  Why?

(I'm not saying you deserve the trust spam, just asking why/if this is the case.)

He has a financial interest in Microsoft/Microsoft products. People selling Microsoft products at a discount will make it so the time he invested in becoming a Microsoft certified engineer potentially worth less

Yah, we discussused that in the other thread.  I've removed Vod's ratings from my trust network because of this.  I'm not interested in what the microsoft police consider good or bad.  Too bad he's on default trust so microsoft is essentially moderating bitcoin deals

You are right "personal compliant" should not be involved in this forum because everyone can give a negative trust to another users (that work for another "society") and this is not really "fair".

[Vod]

I agree with this statement which is what pisses me off. I take care of my customers and always provide great support on any product I sell to avoid negative trust.

An honest thief.  Good for you.

[ABitNut]

I guess I stepped on someone's toes enough to warrant some old-fashioned trust spamming! Someone actually went through the effort to create several accounts only to give some negative feedback to me.

I'm flattered, impressed and disappointed at the same time.

Really? You decide to negative trust spam all users selling anything you think is bad. I have been selling MSDN keys since december and have no unresolved complaints. I have been selling products on this forum for a long time and never had a problem (longer than your account existed). I can assure you the negative trust I left you is because you have no reason to leave me negative trust for something so ridiculous. I never dealt with you and I advertise my products exactly how they are. I dont say they are not MSDN keys when they are. GO through the digital goods section and I bet you 80% of the stuff would not meet your approval does not mean they are not allowed on this forum.

This thread was made before you left me any feedback. It is about the trust spam (new accounts created solely to put some negative feedback on me). I found that noteworthy. I am not asking anyone to remove them. While I disagree with the feedback you left on me it is not trust spam. I disagree with the logic in you feedback. First of all, I'm not leaving negative feedback for all sellers selling anything I think is bad. I left feedback on sellers of Starbucks gift cards because there is credit card fraud involved. I left feedback on sellers of Microsoft product keys because there is fraud involved as well. That you have no unresolved customer complaints is all fine and dandy, but that doesn't make what you're doing legit.

If there is something factually wrong about the feedback I gave you then please let me know and I will amend it.

[alani123]

Another important issue is that someone's found an effective way to register and control multiple accounts. That's not a good thing.

Most of the spammy ones were left at the same day but we don't know if it happened at the exact same time. So it's not 100% sure that someone was using multiple accounts simultaneously.

[funtotry]

Another important issue is that someone's found an effective way to register and control multiple accounts. That's not a good thing.

Most of the spammy ones were left at the same day but we don't know if it happened at the exact same time. So it's not 100% sure that someone was using multiple accounts simultaneously.

If all were in the same day then it could just be a bunch of unhappy customers all finding out about some scam or something all at once but it doesn't really look the case. Logging in and logging out of all these accounts takes a while so I wouldn't be surprised if these were all done in 2 or 3 hours at once. I haven't had time to check all the accounts but are they all mostly newbies or actual established accounts with variation (not all the same register date etc.)

[Vod]

I'm up to 35 spam trust ratings now, all from newbie accounts with no activity.

I must be very important to someone out there!

[alani123]

maybe newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to give trust ratings in the same way they can't vote on polls

[funtotry]

maybe newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to give trust ratings in the same way they can't vote on polls

I disagree. Newbies do business, in fact a large percentage of gift card market is newbies, because non-bitcoiners find this great deal and sign up for an account here. Disallowing newbies wouldn't fix anything with trust spam since the vast majority of trust left here is by people higher than junior member.

[Vod]

maybe newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to give trust ratings in the same way they can't vote on polls

I disagree. Newbies do business, in fact a large percentage of gift card market is newbies, because non-bitcoiners find this great deal and sign up for an account here. Disallowing newbies wouldn't fix anything with trust spam since the vast majority of trust left here is by people higher than junior member.

That's because a large percentage of the gift cards are purchased with stolen credit cards.  People burn through newbie accounts because they are easy to create.

[EcuaMobi]

maybe newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to give trust ratings in the same way they can't vote on polls

I disagree. Newbies do business, in fact a large percentage of gift card market is newbies, because non-bitcoiners find this great deal and sign up for an account here. Disallowing newbies wouldn't fix anything with trust spam since the vast majority of trust left here is by people higher than junior member.

That's because a lathe percentage of the gift cards are purchased with stolen credit cards.  People burn through newbie accounts because they are easy to create.

Agreed. I really don't think there are too many people that make deals as soon as they join bitcointalk for the first time. Almost all newbies making deals are old members hiding behind alt accounts.

Besides if a newbie makes deals at least for a little while they will be junior in a couple of weeks. So allowing only Jr. members and above to leave feedback would make sense to me.

[alani123]

maybe newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to give trust ratings in the same way they can't vote on polls

I disagree. Newbies do business, in fact a large percentage of gift card market is newbies, because non-bitcoiners find this great deal and sign up for an account here. Disallowing newbies wouldn't fix anything with trust spam since the vast majority of trust left here is by people higher than junior member.

It takes 30 activity points to get a newbie account turn into a Jr. Member...

[tspacepilot]

maybe newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to give trust ratings in the same way they can't vote on polls

That does seem like it might fix the issue associated with this particular thread.  If you have to wait a month to use your brand new 20 accounts drop trust spam, presumably your head would have cooled off in those 4 weeks and you'd have thought of something more useful to do.

[Vod]

I removed negative trust off two accounts that stopped selling MSDN keys.  The trust spam seems to have stopped for me.   

[funtotry]

maybe newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to give trust ratings in the same way they can't vote on polls

I disagree. Newbies do business, in fact a large percentage of gift card market is newbies, because non-bitcoiners find this great deal and sign up for an account here. Disallowing newbies wouldn't fix anything with trust spam since the vast majority of trust left here is by people higher than junior member.

It takes 30 activity points to get a newbie account turn into a Jr. Member...

Which is 3 14 day periods, a month and a half. If the user really wants to get into the bitcoin world I am sure they will wait about 42 days until they can be part of the trust member.

[tspacepilot]

maybe newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to give trust ratings in the same way they can't vote on polls

I disagree. Newbies do business, in fact a large percentage of gift card market is newbies, because non-bitcoiners find this great deal and sign up for an account here. Disallowing newbies wouldn't fix anything with trust spam since the vast majority of trust left here is by people higher than junior member.

It takes 30 activity points to get a newbie account turn into a Jr. Member...

Which is 3 14 day periods, a month and a half. If the user really wants to get into the bitcoin world I am sure they will wait about 42 days until they can be part of the trust member.

Of course they will.  The point here was that someone or some ones were creating a bunch of accounts just to drop a bunch of negative trust, ie trust spam.  Presuambly if you have to wait a month and a half, you'll have calmed down a bit in that time and so creating a bunch of accounts just to trust spam won't really happen.

[SaltySpitoon]

maybe newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to give trust ratings in the same way they can't vote on polls

I disagree. Newbies do business, in fact a large percentage of gift card market is newbies, because non-bitcoiners find this great deal and sign up for an account here. Disallowing newbies wouldn't fix anything with trust spam since the vast majority of trust left here is by people higher than junior member.

It takes 30 activity points to get a newbie account turn into a Jr. Member...

Which is 3 14 day periods, a month and a half. If the user really wants to get into the bitcoin world I am sure they will wait about 42 days until they can be part of the trust member.

Of course they will.  The point here was that someone or some ones were creating a bunch of accounts just to drop a bunch of negative trust, ie trust spam.  Presuambly if you have to wait a month and a half, you'll have calmed down a bit in that time and so creating a bunch of accounts just to trust spam won't really happen.

Orrrr, you give scammers 42 days of immunity before the newbie they just got scammed or almost scammed can speak out against them. Can anyone show a single example of where trust spam by newbies has caused any effect on anyone in the slightest? Maybe point out a thread where someone refused to deal with someone because they had 50 negatives from untrusted newbies?