France plane crash: No survivors expected [Condolences to the families]

[jaysabi]

Germanwings flight 4U9525 deliberately flown into mountain, says prosecutor

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/26/germanwings-flight-4u9525-deliberately-flown-into-mountain-says-prosecutor

<< The co-pilot of the Germanwings plane that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday, killing 150 people, appears to have deliberately flown it into a mountain after locking the flight captain out of the cockpit. During the last eight minutes of the flight, the co-pilot "voluntarily" carried out actions that led to the destruction of the aircraft, Brice Robin, a French public prosecutor, said at a press conference in Marseille.

Citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder recovered from the Airbus A320, Robin outlined the last moments of the doomed plane in a chilling account of the actions of the co-pilot, whom he named as 28-year-old Andreas Lubitz. Robin said Lubitz could be heard breathing right up until the point of impact, suggesting he had not lost consciousness. However, he failed to respond to increasingly desperate calls from the captain trying to break down the cockpit door, or to air traffic controllers. Passengers could be heard screaming just before the crash, Robin said. >>

Is there any indication if it was religiously motivated?

Updated: 26 March 2015

MARSEILLE, France -- Barely a day after the New York Times reported that the voice recorder of Flight 9525 revealed the pilot banging on the door to get back into the cockpit, authorities have released the name of the presumably suicidal co-pilot, and happily, his first name is not "al-".

French prosecutor Brice Robin said that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, 29, was initially "courteous," though when the captain asked about going for lunch after the flight, Lubitz gave a cryptic reply about preferring virgins.

Evidently, the pilot left for the toilet (für gepißßing) and the co-pilot locked the door, hardened cockpit doors being an innovation adopted after the last time a plane was intentionally crashed. The Airbus A320 is designed with safeguards to allow emergency entry into the cockpit — which can never be used by anyone who does not belong inside to begin with — but the override code is disabled in the case of a co-pilot desiring to commit mass murder and suicide.

Standard U.S. operating procedure is not to leave the co-pilot alone in the cockpit but to put a stewardess inside, because she is never a jihadi, as of course the co-pilot is not either.

Mr. al-Lubitz was a veteran flier who had flown thousands of flights without ending any of them in the side of a mountain. But Mr. Robin refused to disclose the co-pilot's religion.

Yeah, it'll most likely shape up into yet another Allah Akbar.

I'm confused by your "updated" post. Are you satirizing, speculating, or something else?

[redsn0w]

Germanwings flight 4U9525 deliberately flown into mountain, says prosecutor

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/26/germanwings-flight-4u9525-deliberately-flown-into-mountain-says-prosecutor

<< The co-pilot of the Germanwings plane that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday, killing 150 people, appears to have deliberately flown it into a mountain after locking the flight captain out of the cockpit. During the last eight minutes of the flight, the co-pilot "voluntarily" carried out actions that led to the destruction of the aircraft, Brice Robin, a French public prosecutor, said at a press conference in Marseille.

Citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder recovered from the Airbus A320, Robin outlined the last moments of the doomed plane in a chilling account of the actions of the co-pilot, whom he named as 28-year-old Andreas Lubitz. Robin said Lubitz could be heard breathing right up until the point of impact, suggesting he had not lost consciousness. However, he failed to respond to increasingly desperate calls from the captain trying to break down the cockpit door, or to air traffic controllers. Passengers could be heard screaming just before the crash, Robin said. >>

Is there any indication if it was religiously motivated?

Updated: 26 March 2015

MARSEILLE, France -- Barely a day after the New York Times reported that the voice recorder of Flight 9525 revealed the pilot banging on the door to get back into the cockpit, authorities have released the name of the presumably suicidal co-pilot, and happily, his first name is not "al-".

French prosecutor Brice Robin said that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, 29, was initially "courteous," though when the captain asked about going for lunch after the flight, Lubitz gave a cryptic reply about preferring virgins.

Evidently, the pilot left for the toilet (für gepißßing) and the co-pilot locked the door, hardened cockpit doors being an innovation adopted after the last time a plane was intentionally crashed. The Airbus A320 is designed with safeguards to allow emergency entry into the cockpit — which can never be used by anyone who does not belong inside to begin with — but the override code is disabled in the case of a co-pilot desiring to commit mass murder and suicide.

Standard U.S. operating procedure is not to leave the co-pilot alone in the cockpit but to put a stewardess inside, because she is never a jihadi, as of course the co-pilot is not either.

Mr. al-Lubitz was a veteran flier who had flown thousands of flights without ending any of them in the side of a mountain. But Mr. Robin refused to disclose the co-pilot's religion.

Yeah, it'll most likely shape up into yet another Allah Akbar.

Please don't start another complaint : "I hate muslims" , because this not the correct thread. Thanks for the attention and also (why not) for your opinion.

[pedrog]

Updated: 26 March 2015

MARSEILLE, France -- Barely a day after the New York Times reported that the voice recorder of Flight 9525 revealed the pilot banging on the door to get back into the cockpit, authorities have released the name of the presumably suicidal co-pilot, and happily, his first name is not "al-".

French prosecutor Brice Robin said that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, 29, was initially "courteous," though when the captain asked about going for lunch after the flight, Lubitz gave a cryptic reply about preferring virgins.

Evidently, the pilot left for the toilet (für gepißßing) and the co-pilot locked the door, hardened cockpit doors being an innovation adopted after the last time a plane was intentionally crashed. The Airbus A320 is designed with safeguards to allow emergency entry into the cockpit — which can never be used by anyone who does not belong inside to begin with — but the override code is disabled in the case of a co-pilot desiring to commit mass murder and suicide.

Standard U.S. operating procedure is not to leave the co-pilot alone in the cockpit but to put a stewardess inside, because she is never a jihadi, as of course the co-pilot is not either.

Mr. al-Lubitz was a veteran flier who had flown thousands of flights without ending any of them in the side of a mountain. But Mr. Robin refused to disclose the co-pilot's religion.

Yeah, it'll most likely shape up into yet another Allah Akbar.

Not disclose the co-pilot's religion seems suspicious, but if it was religious motivated I assume someone is going to take credit for the attack.

[TheIrishman]

He seems to have suffered with depression a few years ago, maybe that had something to do with what happened:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/03/26/germanwings-co-pilot-reportedly-battled-depression-in-0/

[btcxyzzz]

Where the fuck are huge parachutes for whole cabin? Totally technically plausible.

[Vod]

This is going to increase airfare prices for sure in Canada, now that you need at least three people in the cockpit.

(Air Canada is requiring two people in the cockpit at all times, so unless the pilots can "hold it in" the entire flight, you need three!)

http://globalnews.ca/news/1905570/air-canada-to-implement-new-policy-requiring-2-people-in-cockpit/

[matrix zion]

Such a senseless tragedy... What absurd reason can any human conjure up to calmly descend into the nearest mountain with 150 innocent souls on board without so much as a verbal justification or sigh of relief?

[bobc1994]

the mechanism to unlock the door by punching in a code from the outside, was overridden from the cockpit. That would mean that the co-pilot was actively working to keep the pilot out, and knew what he was doing.

[Nemo1024]

Where the fuck are huge parachutes for whole cabin? Totally technically plausible.

That's what I always think about when they start yet another demonstration of how to employ the floating vests...

Such a senseless tragedy... What absurd reason can any human conjure up to calmly descend into the nearest mountain with 150 innocent souls on board without so much as a verbal justification or sigh of relief?

Someone who has been hypnotised. The co-pilot might not have been aware of what he was doing. The captain going out might have been a trigger condition for him to take action. The prosecutor mentioned the the co-pilots responses changed from jovial/normal to short when the captain mentioned that he is about to go out of the cabin.

I watched a documentary on Discovery about such "programming".

[bitgeek]

Where the fuck are huge parachutes for whole cabin? Totally technically plausible.

The flight recorder revealed the passengers were calm until seconds before the crash, there was no time to evacuate even if they had parachutes.

It's harder than you might think. Usually people are afraid of heights and would hesitate or even panic before the jump, so the evacuation would take at least 10 min. What is more, you wouldn't be able to use front doors because they would be sucked by the engines, so everyone would have to jump out the rear.

[Nemo1024]

Where the fuck are huge parachutes for whole cabin? Totally technically plausible.

The flight recorder revealed the passengers were calm until seconds before the crash, there was no time to evacuate even if they had parachutes.

It's harder than you might think. Usually people are afraid of heights and would hesitate or even panic before the jump, so the evacuation would take at least 10 min. What is more, you wouldn't be able to use front doors because they would be sucked by the engines, so everyone would have to jump out the rear.

What about a modular construction, where the whole seat groups of 3 are ejected with a common parachute...

[smith coins]

I'm imagining a horror scenario where the pilot and a few others are frantically trying to beat open the door and succeed only right before impact.

[Vod]

the mechanism to unlock the door by punching in a code from the outside, was overridden from the cockpit. That would mean that the co-pilot was actively working to keep the pilot out, and knew what he was doing.

Wow.  Why is overriding this even an option?   

What a terrifying last few minutes for the passengers.

[(oYo)]

the mechanism to unlock the door by punching in a code from the outside, was overridden from the cockpit. That would mean that the co-pilot was actively working to keep the pilot out, and knew what he was doing.

Wow.  Why is overriding this even an option?   

What a terrifying last few minutes for the passengers.

I assume, to prevent unauthorized entry by someone who may have intimidated the crew into giving them the passcode or key.

[johnyj]

A young man full of proud and hope in a top career, selected to end his life in such a horrible way, the only cause is woman 

Again the spirit of bitcoin shines: Trust a system instead of human

[Vod]

the mechanism to unlock the door by punching in a code from the outside, was overridden from the cockpit. That would mean that the co-pilot was actively working to keep the pilot out, and knew what he was doing.

Wow.  Why is overriding this even an option?   

What a terrifying last few minutes for the passengers.

I assume, to prevent unauthorized entry by someone who may have intimidated the crew into giving them the passcode or key.

The only people that should have the key (it can be changed on every flight) should be the two pilots.  When one leaves, he should be guaranteed a way to return.

[Vod]

A young man full of proud and hope in a top career, selected to end his life in such a horrible way, the only cause is woman 

I'm going to guess the reason was religion.  The world needs to rid itself of that cancer.   

[freedomno1]

This is going to increase airfare prices for sure in Canada, now that you need at least three people in the cockpit.

(Air Canada is requiring two people in the cockpit at all times, so unless the pilots can "hold it in" the entire flight, you need three!)

http://globalnews.ca/news/1905570/air-canada-to-implement-new-policy-requiring-2-people-in-cockpit/

Yep it's a standard being set now
Air Canada WestJet all the carriers as the policy went into law, by consideration this actually is a return to Pre-911 policy though so it's interesting to see that it has gone back full circle in a sense.

[Buffer Overflow]

The flight recorder revealed the passengers were calm until seconds before the crash

I know that's what we've all been told, but I don't really buy that.
After a minute the captain would of been hammering hard on the door, his voice raising every second. There's no way the passengers wouldn't of realised something was very wrong early in the 8 minutes. The flight attendants wouldn't of been able to hide the fear from their faces.
Also the plane was descending fast, the passengers would of known this.

Let's hope I'm wrong though.

[Bizmark13]

From what I've seen and read, the pilot tried knocking and then kicking the door down for 8 minutes. I wonder why he didn't try to get others to join in - a la United Airlines 93? Granted, the doors leading up to the cockpits on modern planes are stronger nowadays due to new safety regulations passed since the 9/11 terrorist attacks but surely three or four people + a drink cart or fire extinguisher would have afforded a better chance of breaking the door down?

And really, anyone no matter what their job, age, wealth, or status can go crazy so the risk of these types of things happening cannot be entirely eliminated - only minimized. Having two pilots in the cockpit at all times makes sense. Think about it: If a typical pilot has a one percent chance of going berserk during a flight, then two pilots going berserk at the same time is one percent of one percent - i.e. 0.01 percent. That alone reduces the risk by a factor of 100 (although I suppose a truly motivated pilot could use social engineering to force or manipulate the other pilot into leaving the cockpit).