Scotland to ban smoking in cars with children

[protokol]

Top 3 things stolen in convenience store robberies:
Money
Cigarettes
Alcohol

Even legal marijuana dispensaries without armed security are getting robbed.

No amount of financial disincentive has ever stopped addicts, only their free will, or their deaths.

Here's the way it works.

1. Government requires vaccination of little kids and babies.
2. The children get ADD and ADHD and autism, etc., from the vaccines.
3. The kids are placed on all kinds of drugs, like Ritalin, especially in school.
4. These drugs are habit forming worse than cocaine.
5. When the kids get out of high school (if not sooner), government stops supplying the drugs.
6. The kids have to supplement their government and medical induced habit.
7. Government makes more money off people that they make sick from early childhood than anything else... through fines and prison and covertly supplying the drugs.

While smoking is not quite like cocaine/Ritalin, it is induced in kids in subtle ways through the things that they have to go through in school, and through lack of health brought about by eating processed foods. Kids feel that they need cigarettes and alcohol to make up for something that they are missing in their health. Then the smoking and alcohol make things worse.

While I agree with most of what you are saying here, No. 2 is totally false and unrelated to the rest of it. Yes, there is a problem with the increasing trend of prescribing kids things like Ritalin/Amphetamines (America is one of the worst places for this).

But the link between vaccines and autism/ADHD is ablsolute bullshit - try googling Andrew Wakefield and you will see why he was disgraced by the medical community and his fraudulent papers retracted. No studies other than his fraudulent 1998 paper have ever shown any link.

[redsn0w]

Would be better if they made a law that exempted children from prosecution for defending themselves against scumbags hotboxing them in captivity.

Great idea! Now think of all those middle aged people suing their elderly parents for lung damages they got inhaling smoke in the car. It's always better to prevent then repair the damages.

I agree with the smoking ban, it's unhealthy and some people are just ignorant and won't stop even if you ask them nicely. They have to be hit in their wallets to learn anything.

This category of people is 'rude' and as you said "if you ask them nicely" they will attack you and say you << what the fu*k do you want?>>. Now explain me how to deal with this type of person, it is impossible but when we are talking about the smoke near children they should at least reason a little bit and stop to smoke nearby them // or am I wrong?

I'm pretty sure this law already exists here in Canada and they're working on expanding it to include homes as well.

Are you sure? I didn't find anything of interesting, can you please give me some links or document about your utterance? Thanks.

[Snail2]

I'm a smoker too and wouldn't smoke around any of my younger cousins but the threat of force towards those that would is wrong. Also, the threat of second hand smoke has been debunked and this nanny statism is not something that we need more of.

You are right on the nanny state. But even if it was debunked smoking is not a good habit to "teach" for children.
Sometimes I think if the state don't want us to smoke then smoking must be a good thing . (Actually nicotine is far better and safer anti depressant than anything what the big pharma can make.)

[Snail2]

While I agree with most of what you are saying here, No. 2 is totally false and unrelated to the rest of it. Yes, there is a problem with the increasing trend of prescribing kids things like Ritalin/Amphetamines (America is one of the worst places for this).

But the link between vaccines and autism/ADHD is ablsolute bullshit - try googling Andrew Wakefield and you will see why he was disgraced by the medical community and his fraudulent papers retracted. No studies other than his fraudulent 1998 paper have ever shown any link.

However there is a growing suspicion regarding correlation between autoimmune diseases and the immunologic adjuvants in vaccines.

[(oYo)]

I'm pretty sure this law already exists here in Canada and they're working on expanding it to include homes as well.

Are you sure? I didn't find anything of interesting, can you please give me some links or document about your utterance? Thanks.

Sure, here you go.

This is the Ontario anti-smoking law regarding underage kids in vehicles.
http://www.mhp.gov.on.ca/en/smoke-free/simv/
Here's a wiki link regarding all of Canada too. Notice smoking is even banned in parks and playgrounds here in Ontario.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_in_Canada

This is the progress being made regarding anti-smoking laws in multi-unit dwellings. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before it includes single dwellings as well.
http://www.smokefreehousing.ca/what_is_drifting_secondhand_smoke.html
http://www.smokefreehousing.ca/what_tenants_need_to_know.html

[TheButterZone]

I'm a smoker too and wouldn't smoke around any of my younger cousins but the threat of force towards those that would is wrong. Also, the threat of second hand smoke has been debunked and this nanny statism is not something that we need more of.

You are right on the nanny state. But even if it was debunked smoking is not a good habit to "teach" for children.
Sometimes I think if the state don't want us to smoke then smoking must be a good thing . (Actually nicotine is far better and safer anti depressant than anything what the big pharma can make.)

The state does want you to smoke. Who else would it leech all that tax (ineffective as a financial disincentive) revenue from?

[innocent93]

This is definitely logical, secondhand smoke is bad for health while people have health right as a human right.

Also, Smoking is banned on public places in HONGKONG.

[redsn0w]

Motorists who violate the ban could be fined £100. The new law, which proponents hope will receive Royal Assent before the next Holyrood elections in May 2016, covers all cars. However, in order to make Scottish law consistent with English law, Mr. Hume acknowledged the possibility that discussions may be entered into about exempting roof-down convertibles from the ban.

http://www.blogs.findlaw.co.uk/solicitor/2015/03/medical-law-scotland-set-to-ban-smoking-in-cars-with-children.html

and this is a discussion on reddit :  http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/309tsy/scotland_is_to_ban_smoking_in_cars_with_children/?sort=new

[pedrog]

This is already into law in my country, for some time now.

This is one of those things that should come from common sense, but I guess most people lack even that, perhaps laws like this help shape the new generations into better humans.

[bitcollins85]

This is great, It's unfair to expose children to smoke.

[chmod755]

So this was legal in Scotland until now?

Smoking should be banned in most places IMO. It's easier to stop smoking if you can't do it everywhere. I stopped smoking a year ago.

[prodigy8]

Secondhand smoke contains more than 4,000 chemicals, and exposure to it has been linked to chest infections, asthma and cot death in children.

Poison yourself if you want, but don't poison those around you, especially children.

[jaysabi]

Your rights generally end where they infringe someone else's. The right of a child not to be forced to inhale smoke trumps your right to smoke in the car with children. This law makes sense. You can view it as nanny state, but you can also view it as recognizing the rights of children. Both are accurate.

[erikalui]

Scotland is to ban smoking in cars with children, bringing it into line with forthcoming legislation in England and Wales to protect young people from secondhand smoke.

The Scottish government announced it would back the smoking prohibition (children in motor vehicles) (Scotland) bill, which has been put forward by the Liberal Democrat MSP Jim Hume.

The bill, which is hoped will receive royal assent before the next Holyrood elections in May 2016, covers all cars, although Hume acknowledged that as it progresses discussion may take place about exempting convertibles, when they have the roof fully down, to bring it into line with English laws.

“This legislation will ensure that we can put a stop to the 60,000 journeys being made in Scotland each week where children are being exposed to dangerous secondhand smoke,” he said.


More : http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/25/scotland-to-ban-smoking-in-cars-with-children


Are they serious? Where is the freedom of choice to do whatever you want (but in the respect of the other people)? Can you say your opinion here? Thanks.

Smoking is dangerous for both, the person who is smoking and the person who is sitting beside him, so I completely support this. Children who inhale this will suffer if their parents smoke before them. I know many people who themselves prefer to smoke in a separate place to avoid causing any problem for their family and kids while those are are smoking before their kids deserve this ban. They should be considerate when they have kids beside them.

[lalaisen]

Scotland is to ban smoking in cars with children, bringing it into line with forthcoming legislation in England and Wales to protect young people from secondhand smoke.

The Scottish government announced it would back the smoking prohibition (children in motor vehicles) (Scotland) bill, which has been put forward by the Liberal Democrat MSP Jim Hume.

The bill, which is hoped will receive royal assent before the next Holyrood elections in May 2016, covers all cars, although Hume acknowledged that as it progresses discussion may take place about exempting convertibles, when they have the roof fully down, to bring it into line with English laws.

“This legislation will ensure that we can put a stop to the 60,000 journeys being made in Scotland each week where children are being exposed to dangerous secondhand smoke,” he said.


More : http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/25/scotland-to-ban-smoking-in-cars-with-children


Are they serious? Where is the freedom of choice to do whatever you want (but in the respect of the other people)? Can you say your opinion here? Thanks.

This is a correct decision of Scotland .Do not smoke in public places , especially if you have children around.

[Bit-Gods]

Scotland is to ban smoking in cars with children, bringing it into line with forthcoming legislation in England and Wales to protect young people from secondhand smoke.

The Scottish government announced it would back the smoking prohibition (children in motor vehicles) (Scotland) bill, which has been put forward by the Liberal Democrat MSP Jim Hume.

The bill, which is hoped will receive royal assent before the next Holyrood elections in May 2016, covers all cars, although Hume acknowledged that as it progresses discussion may take place about exempting convertibles, when they have the roof fully down, to bring it into line with English laws.

“This legislation will ensure that we can put a stop to the 60,000 journeys being made in Scotland each week where children are being exposed to dangerous secondhand smoke,” he said.


More : http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/25/scotland-to-ban-smoking-in-cars-with-children


Are they serious? Where is the freedom of choice to do whatever you want (but in the respect of the other people)? Can you say your opinion here? Thanks.

Secondhand smoking is dangerous than smoking itself. I used to be a smoker but now it irritates me to even stand beside someone holding a cigarette. I guess it should hold more for children in locked cars.

[Mehek]

Nicotine is a very good means to increase concentration, using a mobile phone does exactly the opposite. A crackdown on mobile use whilst driving would be much more appropriate.

So you think the kids should go through all the passive smoking and giving an excuse that nicotine increases concentration? Man, how messed up are you?

[rokkyroad]

Ban smokers. Exile them to some off shore islands around the world. They think it is their right to endanger the health of people around them. My parents smoked and they smoked everywhere with no consideration. In the car, Dad would complain bitterly about cracking a window so we could breath (it was cold outside). Sadly, this attitude was the norm but it is changing thank goodness. Thanks to law.

Restaurants were horrendous. Imagine eating your meal and someone across the table blowing smoke at you. Nasty. I could go on and on.

[Somekindabitcoin]

Here in Hawaii, they upped the smoking age to 21.

Now I can't drink or smoke till i'm 21.

Besides this, I think that Scotland took a great step forward. Stopping lung disease and cancer from the source. It would be good to ban smoking in the house too though.

[TheButterZone]

Here in Hawaii, they upped the smoking age to 21.

Now I can't drink or smoke till i'm 21.

You can; millions under {arbitrary age} aren't being punished for violating {arbitrary age} minimums.