Bitmain Antminer S6 and S7 Speculation

[Philipma1957onvacation]

what if s7 will come out ~December!

they should arrive nov 1. You read it here first

[Amph]

what if s7 will come out ~December!

they share the same efficiency if i' not mistaken and s6 was supposed to coem out this month, i would release both together, if they do not differ in xx nm productive processing

[alh]

what if s7 will come out ~December!

they should arrive nov 1. You read it here first

So much for "The summer of 2015 for new ASIC miners". Do you think Bitmain will have sold all of it's existing S5 "well tested and mining for months" stock? What will they sell if the completely sell out of their "used, sold as new" S5 hardware?

[philipma1957]

what if s7 will come out ~December!

they should arrive nov 1. You read it here first

A guess or insider knowledge? Nov 1st isn't bad and would be nice but if the price is too high it could cut into some extra christmas money and I can't have that lol.

A guess on what I would do if I was building s-7's to replace my s-5's.  everytime I sold 100 s-5's I would put in some new s-7's

especially if I was using s-5 chips.  we know an s-5 chips can do .31 watts  in an usb stick.

So if it can do .36watts in a s-5++  I can just sell off s-5's at high price and do an easy swap to s-5++

As the owner of bitmaintech I have no need to do a better chip.  thus no risk of the ½ing issues.

If I am lucky ai can have my entire farm swapped by early nov.   and then put the s-5++ up for sale.  people will buy gear at .36watts.

[QuintLeo]

Based on stuff that Bitmain has posted in various places, I am sure that what they are doing is replaceing the S5s in their own farm with S7s and selling off the used S5s.
 I suspect when they run low on the S5s is when they'll start selling S7s retail, though there MIGHT be some overlap.

[alh]

The expectation to date though has been that the "S7" would involve a new ASIC (e.g. BM1386), and NOT a new board with S5-class chips on it (the S5++ moniker).

This would certainly fit the S4+ model which was an "S4 do-over" with only the boards guys doing the work, and the ASIC guys sitting on the bench.

Good thing this a speculation thread, as we won't really know until they announce specs, or ship on to somebody outside of Antpool.

[soy]

Perhaps they're building "next gen" machines and using them to replace S5s in their cloud operations, then turning around and selling the used S5s as "new"?

 Hmmmmm - where have we heard THAT sort of thing *cough KNC cough* before?

They never claimed the hashnest S5's are new, so that can very well be the case. They have probably been selling used units in hashnest for a while, but as long as there are no issues of them breaking, etc.. I guess it doesn't really hurt anyone.

As long as its a discounted price and not marketed as new I have to agree.

No doubt the chips lifespan will be reduced having been run professionally 24/7 so I would hope very discounted prices.

The "having been run professionally 24/7" is better than run sometimes for the same period because the cool down and warm up are more likely to see damage than steady running.

[gablay12]

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

[QuintLeo]

There have been comments (by Dogie I think, or someone from Bitmain itself) that they are going to skip the S6 and go straight to an S7. In any case, if they came out with another water-cooled rig it would be probably be called the "C3" in keeping with their current naming progression.


 Buying an S5 and needed power supply right now is VERY VERY IIFY on ROI unless you have 5 cent/KWH or cheaper power. The size of difficulty increase is going up since all of the "next gen" announcements to date, and looks likely to go up faster for a few months or a bit longer than it did the first half of this year, with the widespread adoption of "next gen" mining gear in the big mining farms as the gear becomes available.


 I'm hoping for an S7 that does over 2TH for under 600 watts and $600 or less, otherwise ROI is going to be very iffy even WITH cheap electric due to the bitcoin halfing next summer (unless bitcoin climbs a LOT somewhere between now and then, or the current rate of difficulty increase drops by at least half of the last couple of incriments for the next year). I'm also hoping that Bitmain goes back to making the voltage adjustable, rather than the S5's "chained power" setup - that would be worth an extra $100 easy, as you could undervolt later on and keep the mining profitable for a lot longer or at higher power costs (an SP20E can be profitable at 18 cents/kwh if you undervolt it enough, an S5 right now loses money at that power cost with current difficulty and bitcoin pricing).

 2TH at 400 watts or 3Th at 600, might be able to sell as high as $800 and still manage to ROI at some point, but I suspect Bitmain is going to release the S7 with a chained-power design at or very close to the highest rated voltage the chip can handle (just like the S5) at the cost of efficiency and somewhat of a loss of long-term ROI ability.

 What I'd LIKE to see is an "S5 Lite" model, still using the BM1384 but chaining 18 chips - should run about 800Mh/s at less than 350 watts - in the $400 range. THAT would ROI no problem, and still be profitable after the halving for quite a while even if Bitcoin price stays flat and difficulty increases stay in the RECENT 2-3% on average range.

[VirosaGITS]

There have been comments (by Dogie I think, or someone from Bitmain itself) that they are going to skip the S6 and go straight to an S7. In any case, if they came out with another water-cooled rig it would be probably be called the "C3" in keeping with their current naming progression.


 Buying an S5 and needed power supply right now is VERY VERY IIFY on ROI unless you have 5 cent/KWH or cheaper power. The size of difficulty increase is going up since all of the "next gen" announcements to date, and looks likely to go up faster for a few months or a bit longer than it did the first half of this year, with the widespread adoption of "next gen" mining gear in the big mining farms as the gear becomes available.


 I'm hoping for an S7 that does over 2TH for under 600 watts and $600 or less, otherwise ROI is going to be very iffy even WITH cheap electric due to the bitcoin halfing next summer (unless bitcoin climbs a LOT somewhere between now and then, or the current rate of difficulty increase drops by at least half of the last couple of incriments for the next year). I'm also hoping that Bitmain goes back to making the voltage adjustable, rather than the S5's "chained power" setup - that would be worth an extra $100 easy, as you could undervolt later on and keep the mining profitable for a lot longer or at higher power costs (an SP20E can be profitable at 18 cents/kwh if you undervolt it enough, an S5 right now loses money at that power cost with current difficulty and bitcoin pricing).

 2TH at 400 watts or 3Th at 600, might be able to sell as high as $800 and still manage to ROI at some point, but I suspect Bitmain is going to release the S7 with a chained-power design at or very close to the highest rated voltage the chip can handle (just like the S5) at the cost of efficiency and somewhat of a loss of long-term ROI ability.

 What I'd LIKE to see is an "S5 Lite" model, still using the BM1384 but chaining 18 chips - should run about 800Mh/s at less than 350 watts - in the $400 range. THAT would ROI no problem, and still be profitable after the halving for quite a while even if Bitcoin price stays flat and difficulty increases stay in the RECENT 2-3% on average range.

That sound like wishful thinking to me =/

There's little incentive for them to develop(or sell) such effective miners. Truth be told, a jump from .5 to .29 or less stock is pretty big and probably expensive to develop versus the alternative.
There's sure to be a gain in efficiency over the "last generation" but the big ASIC market demand is to miners with cheap electricity. Big datacenter located in China and other few places in the world where electricity is 4cents~/kwh. Then a smaller demand from smaller miners with also cheap electricity. And then a even smaller demand from smaller miners with no so cheap electricity (8+ cents).

So all in all, maybe we'll get a expensive unit with high efficiency, but i wouldn't bet on it, since its not that lucrative for Bitmain anymore.

[mavericklm]

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

 

any confirmation on this?

thx!

[J0hnnyb]

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

where did you get that information? link?

[VirosaGITS]

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

where did you get that information? link?

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

 

any confirmation on this?

thx!

I am pretty sure he is just jesting. The water cool serie is C, not S in the first place. There's also rumors(not sure if the confirmation is true) of the S6 being skipped altogether. Seem logical with the recent S4+, anyways.
This is a speculation thread, he was probably just voicing his Christmas wishes.

[amelen]

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

where did you get that information? link?

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

 

any confirmation on this?

thx!

I am pretty sure he is just jesting. The water cool serie is C, not S in the first place. There's also rumors(not sure if the confirmation is true) of the S6 being skipped altogether. Seem logical with the recent S4+, anyways.
This is a speculation thread, he was probably just voicing his Christmas wishes.

Bitmaintech has mentioned to several people (including myself) that the next unit coming is the S7. There can certainly be an S6 down the road, but I'd imagine the next one out will be the S7 as they keep saying. Their original ETA was to make the announcement in July, but last I spoke to them (2 weeks ago) they said to wait another month (or maybe even 2).

[VirosaGITS]

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

where did you get that information? link?

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

 

any confirmation on this?

thx!

I am pretty sure he is just jesting. The water cool serie is C, not S in the first place. There's also rumors(not sure if the confirmation is true) of the S6 being skipped altogether. Seem logical with the recent S4+, anyways.
This is a speculation thread, he was probably just voicing his Christmas wishes.

Bitmaintech has mentioned to several people (including myself) that the next unit coming is the S7. There can certainly be an S6 down the road, but I'd imagine the next one out will be the S7 as they keep saying. Their original ETA was to make the announcement in July, but last I spoke to them (2 weeks ago) they said to wait another month (or maybe even 2).

It is good to have additional input. However i'd kind of like to read it from Bitmain. It's just hard to warrant putting money on that probable fact since in the end, there's no guarantee that they will be announcing a new unit that will be ready to ship in the immediate or near future.
There's no guarantee it will be indeed in another 2-6 weeks that Bitmain will give us an announcement in the first place... or that it will lead to a shift in ASIC value.

[amelen]

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

where did you get that information? link?

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

 

any confirmation on this?

thx!

I am pretty sure he is just jesting. The water cool serie is C, not S in the first place. There's also rumors(not sure if the confirmation is true) of the S6 being skipped altogether. Seem logical with the recent S4+, anyways.
This is a speculation thread, he was probably just voicing his Christmas wishes.

Bitmaintech has mentioned to several people (including myself) that the next unit coming is the S7. There can certainly be an S6 down the road, but I'd imagine the next one out will be the S7 as they keep saying. Their original ETA was to make the announcement in July, but last I spoke to them (2 weeks ago) they said to wait another month (or maybe even 2).

It is good to have additional input. However i'd kind of like to read it from Bitmain. It's just hard to warrant putting money on that probable fact since in the end, there's no guarantee that they will be announcing a new unit that will be ready to ship in the immediate or near future.
There's no guarantee it will be indeed in another 2-6 weeks that Bitmain will give us an announcement in the first place... or that it will lead to a shift in ASIC value.

From: Bitmain Technologies Limited <info@bitmaintech.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: BITMAIN AntMiner S5

Hi,
No details yet, new product may be released in one or two months later, we don't have the exact info yet.
Please pay attention to our official announcement or update in website.
Thanks.



From: Bitmain Tech <info@bitmaintech.com>
Date: 05/27/2015 10:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: BITMAIN AntMiner S5
Hi,
S7 will be released in July, but we don't have the detailed info yet.
Please wait for our official announcement later.

[VirosaGITS]

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

where did you get that information? link?

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

 

any confirmation on this?

thx!

I am pretty sure he is just jesting. The water cool serie is C, not S in the first place. There's also rumors(not sure if the confirmation is true) of the S6 being skipped altogether. Seem logical with the recent S4+, anyways.
This is a speculation thread, he was probably just voicing his Christmas wishes.

Bitmaintech has mentioned to several people (including myself) that the next unit coming is the S7. There can certainly be an S6 down the road, but I'd imagine the next one out will be the S7 as they keep saying. Their original ETA was to make the announcement in July, but last I spoke to them (2 weeks ago) they said to wait another month (or maybe even 2).

It is good to have additional input. However i'd kind of like to read it from Bitmain. It's just hard to warrant putting money on that probable fact since in the end, there's no guarantee that they will be announcing a new unit that will be ready to ship in the immediate or near future.
There's no guarantee it will be indeed in another 2-6 weeks that Bitmain will give us an announcement in the first place... or that it will lead to a shift in ASIC value.

From: Bitmain Technologies Limited <info@bitmaintech.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: BITMAIN AntMiner S5

Hi,
No details yet, new product may be released in one or two months later, we don't have the exact info yet.
Please pay attention to our official announcement or update in website.
Thanks.



From: Bitmain Tech <info@bitmaintech.com>
Date: 05/27/2015 10:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: BITMAIN AntMiner S5
Hi,
S7 will be released in July, but we don't have the detailed info yet.
Please wait for our official announcement later.

That's good, there's no point in debating the legitimacy of this. It did get reported several time already by trusted member.

Now if only "May(be) in 1 or 2 months we might be releasing S7" was just a little bit less vague and included some technical specs we could start extrapolating values. xD

[amelen]

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

where did you get that information? link?

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

 

any confirmation on this?

thx!

I am pretty sure he is just jesting. The water cool serie is C, not S in the first place. There's also rumors(not sure if the confirmation is true) of the S6 being skipped altogether. Seem logical with the recent S4+, anyways.
This is a speculation thread, he was probably just voicing his Christmas wishes.

Bitmaintech has mentioned to several people (including myself) that the next unit coming is the S7. There can certainly be an S6 down the road, but I'd imagine the next one out will be the S7 as they keep saying. Their original ETA was to make the announcement in July, but last I spoke to them (2 weeks ago) they said to wait another month (or maybe even 2).

It is good to have additional input. However i'd kind of like to read it from Bitmain. It's just hard to warrant putting money on that probable fact since in the end, there's no guarantee that they will be announcing a new unit that will be ready to ship in the immediate or near future.
There's no guarantee it will be indeed in another 2-6 weeks that Bitmain will give us an announcement in the first place... or that it will lead to a shift in ASIC value.

From: Bitmain Technologies Limited <info@bitmaintech.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: BITMAIN AntMiner S5

Hi,
No details yet, new product may be released in one or two months later, we don't have the exact info yet.
Please pay attention to our official announcement or update in website.
Thanks.



From: Bitmain Tech <info@bitmaintech.com>
Date: 05/27/2015 10:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: BITMAIN AntMiner S5
Hi,
S7 will be released in July, but we don't have the detailed info yet.
Please wait for our official announcement later.

That's good, there's no point in debating the legitimacy of this. It did get reported several time already by trusted member.

Now if only "May(be) in 1 or 2 months we might be releasing S7" was just a little bit less vague and included some technical specs we could start extrapolating values. xD

Agreed. I'll ping them again in a few weeks. Hashnest is down to 210 S5's.. maybe they'll announce something when it's down to 0. Or I guess they can just replenish it with more used inventory.

[VirosaGITS]

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

where did you get that information? link?

S6 is water cooled 4.4 TH machine with 2200 Watt PSU.They will release it as soon as they melt down their S5 stocks.

And yes, S5 will do good profit from now on to the release.

 

any confirmation on this?

thx!

I am pretty sure he is just jesting. The water cool serie is C, not S in the first place. There's also rumors(not sure if the confirmation is true) of the S6 being skipped altogether. Seem logical with the recent S4+, anyways.
This is a speculation thread, he was probably just voicing his Christmas wishes.

Bitmaintech has mentioned to several people (including myself) that the next unit coming is the S7. There can certainly be an S6 down the road, but I'd imagine the next one out will be the S7 as they keep saying. Their original ETA was to make the announcement in July, but last I spoke to them (2 weeks ago) they said to wait another month (or maybe even 2).

It is good to have additional input. However i'd kind of like to read it from Bitmain. It's just hard to warrant putting money on that probable fact since in the end, there's no guarantee that they will be announcing a new unit that will be ready to ship in the immediate or near future.
There's no guarantee it will be indeed in another 2-6 weeks that Bitmain will give us an announcement in the first place... or that it will lead to a shift in ASIC value.

From: Bitmain Technologies Limited <info@bitmaintech.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: BITMAIN AntMiner S5

Hi,
No details yet, new product may be released in one or two months later, we don't have the exact info yet.
Please pay attention to our official announcement or update in website.
Thanks.



From: Bitmain Tech <info@bitmaintech.com>
Date: 05/27/2015 10:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: BITMAIN AntMiner S5
Hi,
S7 will be released in July, but we don't have the detailed info yet.
Please wait for our official announcement later.

That's good, there's no point in debating the legitimacy of this. It did get reported several time already by trusted member.

Now if only "May(be) in 1 or 2 months we might be releasing S7" was just a little bit less vague and included some technical specs we could start extrapolating values. xD

Agreed. I'll ping them again in a few weeks. Hashnest is down to 210 S5's.. maybe they'll announce something when it's down to 0. Or I guess they can just replenish it with more used inventory.

Yeah, i don't know if they planned on gradually selling all their S5 but if their farm size is any indication of how many S5(but also maybe S4/+) there may be, they could tally up the used S5 for sale from many hundred to some low thousands.

[philipma1957]

I get the feeling late October maybe Nov. before the s-7 sells as for higher diff jumps  like 4 and 6 % also not going to happen that easy.

Basically cheap power trumps better asics.

a 3 cent farm with used s-3's  crushes a 6 cent farm with new  s-5's do the math.  for a 4ph farm of  of each.

unless the s-7 jumps to .1 watts massive diff rates will not happen.