Anything sustainable worth of investing?

[Branny]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Definitely not.

lmao.  too true too true!

The few and far between legitimate stocks that I've come across (cryptsy, rentalstarter) haven't even really ROI'd at this point nor are they likely too anytime soon.  If your fortunate enough to know a big enough fish that has the wherewithall to pull off the next coinbase and manage to invest in him/her early then you might get lucky, but no, for the most part majority of bitcoin related securities in my experience have been mostly booty.

The big problem with the big ventures (Specifically something like coinbase) is they USUALLY have access to quality VC, which means there's no reason to deal with crowd investors.

With RS, we have had little options up until recently with alternative investments, so bitcoin was a very viable way of attracting reasonable investment in a short time frame. Additionally with being a real estate startup, and one that isn't simply property management or a simple leveraged property, ROIs are much longer term, but still there.

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[Minerjoe]

Hey guys,

I post these questions a lot recently on different forums but I ve not been able to receive a satisfactory answer. Has BTC economy really turned into a sea of ponzies and scam?
Is there ANYTHING worth of investing these days? Anything which might provide sustainable dividend, regardless of how low it might be?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Definitely not.

lmao.  too true too true!

The few and far between legitimate stocks that I've come across (cryptsy, rentalstarter) haven't even really ROI'd at this point nor are they likely too anytime soon.  If your fortunate enough to know a big enough fish that has the wherewithall to pull off the next coinbase and manage to invest in him/her early then you might get lucky, but no, for the most part majority of bitcoin related securities in my experience have been mostly booty.

The big problem with the big ventures (Specifically something like coinbase) is they USUALLY have access to quality VC, which means there's no reason to deal with crowd investors.

With RS, we have had little options up until recently with alternative investments, so bitcoin was a very viable way of attracting reasonable investment in a short time frame. Additionally with being a real estate startup, and one that isn't simply property management or a simple leveraged property, ROIs are much longer term, but still there.

Rentalstarter? How does that work?

[Branny]

We used bitcoin investment to buy cheap houses to renovate and then rent out to people in the midwest US.

We're on Havelock, have been in operation since July 2013.

[cryptojumper]

if you are talking about big amounts like thousands of dollars then i don't think its worth to invest anywhere in crypto securities or mining, because profit is small these days and risk is huge. but its ok to play with small amounts, i will invest as soon as i have 1 btc

[damiano]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

Bitfinex is probably the safest currently. 

[Minerjoe]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

Bitfinex is probably the safest currently. 

What exactly? Lending?

[Minerjoe]

We used bitcoin investment to buy cheap houses to renovate and then rent out to people in the midwest US.

We're on Havelock, have been in operation since July 2013.

ROI data s not so encouraging, if I m not mistaking. Also, after current Amhash disaster, I m reluctant to deal with Havelock ever again.

[Branny]

We used bitcoin investment to buy cheap houses to renovate and then rent out to people in the midwest US.

We're on Havelock, have been in operation since July 2013.

ROI data s not so encouraging, if I m not mistaking. Also, after current Amhash disaster, I m reluctant to deal with Havelock ever again.

Are you confusing company ROI and ROE with dividends?

[Minerjoe]

We used bitcoin investment to buy cheap houses to renovate and then rent out to people in the midwest US.

We're on Havelock, have been in operation since July 2013.

ROI data s not so encouraging, if I m not mistaking. Also, after current Amhash disaster, I m reluctant to deal with Havelock ever again.

Are you confusing company ROI and ROE with dividends?

No, I would like to know what is my expected monthly return on 10 BTC investment? I know this depends on several elements but I m searching for your best guess based on previous performance. Also, is there a website or a thread with more info I can take a look at?

[BrianM]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

How can we expect BTC ecosystem to develop then. If there s nothing we can actually invest in??

Buy bitcoin and hold them?

Well, just trolling, honestly:
I think that some of those dice sites are a good choice, just-dice has this investment option.
Just-dice has been in the game for long enough time to be called "trusted".
But there is always a chance that the site is hacked or the owners (or some of the programmers) take all the coins and run.
In real life there are also risk, there are many who was scammed on stocks, buying a promissing stock that was just a pump'n'dump with no real potential,
that happen all the time. Saw a documentary about it.
I think the key is to invest in many different things so you can take a hit or two and still be ahead.

[superbit]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

Bitfinex is probably the safest currently. 

What exactly? Lending?

Lending in BTC and/or USD.  I don't have a lot in there at all but have been doing it for over 2 years, never had a problem.

[Minerjoe]

I wish there was. The only decent investment that I have found is Bitfinex (lending BTC/USD there), and I'm not even sure about that one.

Bitfinex is probably the safest currently. 

What exactly? Lending?

Lending in BTC and/or USD.  I don't have a lot in there at all but have been doing it for over 2 years, never had a problem.

Lending seems as an interesting option. Have also checked BTClend and other similar sites. The main problem is collateral. None of lending sites has managed to solve this issue.

[gogxmagog]

the problem is, even if you run an honest business
disaster can happen
and there is no guarantee that the investor will be protected.

what if a tornado wiped out RS's properties?

sorry to paint a gloomy picture
but everything in this sub has disappointed so far
and i'm nothing but cynical now

if you invest here
in any offering
no matter what
expect to lose

[Branny]

the problem is, even if you run an honest business
disaster can happen
and there is no guarantee that the investor will be protected.

what if a tornado wiped out RS's properties?

sorry to paint a gloomy picture
but everything in this sub has disappointed so far
and i'm nothing but cynical now

if you invest here
in any offering
no matter what
expect to lose

Insurance

[nickallot]

ok the only trustable guys I have found are www.bizingit.com they offer a messily 6.5% Per annum account, but interest is calculated daily so its really 6.95% per annum

but here's the kick in the guts the account minimum needs to be $5000 USD which is way to steep and they base the value and payment of interest of all accounts on the USD and not bitcoin which means if bitcoin skyrockets your left with a guaranteed 7% profit so theoretically you could lose bitcoins by investing with these guys  a good start but im sure others could do better

[crazyivan]

ok the only trustable guys I have found are www.bizingit.com they offer a messily 6.5% Per annum account, but interest is calculated daily so its really 6.95% per annum

but here's the kick in the guts the account minimum needs to be $5000 USD which is way to steep and they base the value and payment of interest of all accounts on the USD and not bitcoin which means if bitcoin skyrockets your left with a guaranteed 7% profit so theoretically you could lose bitcoins by investing with these guys  a good start but im sure others could do better

Yeah, really trustable guys. The domain expired a few days ago. Pls do not post this kind of junk anymore.

[nickallot]

sorry dude I was only trying to help I just knew they were legit they are a small consulting company from Australia, isn't there a bitcoin bank on tor that offers 20% a month returns does anyone know of the name and or tor web address cheers nick

[nickallot]

can someone create a list of proven reputable investment products for bitcoins and or investment opportunities i.e like current ipos, can you buy shares with bitcoins of current trading companies and is there a marketplace for this and/or is there any reputable forex companies as well that offers bitcoin as a deposit method do your worst people

[majeis]

Risk management learned through a trial by fire and diversification so you don't lose all your eggs in one go will be your only saving grace in the world of crypto if you want investments that are "worth it." Sustainable? Probably not. They come and go with the flow of events. Move with the tide.

[crazyivan]

can someone create a list of proven reputable investment products for bitcoins and or investment opportunities i.e like current ipos, can you buy shares with bitcoins of current trading companies and is there a marketplace for this and/or is there any reputable forex companies as well that offers bitcoin as a deposit method do your worst people

Its impossible to do that. Even the most legit companies could go bad. I tend to avoid anything with ROI under a year, 99% of those are scams.