IRS chief to GOP: You can't abolish us

[Chef Ramsay]

The IRS commissioner on Tuesday brushed aside GOP proposals to abolish his agency, insisting the U.S. would have to have a tax collector one way or another.

“You can call them something other than the IRS if that made you feel better,” the agency’s chief, John Koskinen, said after a speech at the National Press Club.

Republicans have heaped even more criticism upon the agency than usual over the last 22 months because of its improper scrutiny of Tea Party groups.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) perhaps has made the most prominent calls to get rid of the IRS. While launching his presidential bid earlier in March, he floated the idea of “a simple flat tax that lets every American fill out his or her taxes on a postcard.”

Koskinen said Tuesday that, even under the simplest of tax codes, the federal government would need an agency to collect revenue and administer the tax code, something Cruz’s own aides have also admitted.

“Somebody has to collect the money, and then somebody also has to make sure when you fill in the small card, you’re putting in the right numbers,” Koskinen said.

But Koskinen also said he understands why politicians seek to tap into public anger at the IRS. Conservatives have become increasingly angry at the IRS because of the Tea Party controversy, but Koskinen insisted that an overly complicated tax code spurred much of the anger at his agency.

“I think that’s a lot of what’s behind, you know, ‘get rid of the IRS.’ It’s really ‘get rid of this complicated tax code.’ And to that extent, I think that’s a reasonable goal,” Koskinen said.
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[Wilikon]

The IRS commissioner on Tuesday brushed aside GOP proposals to abolish his agency, insisting the U.S. would have to have a tax collector one way or another.

“You can call them something other than the IRS if that made you feel better,” the agency’s chief, John Koskinen, said after a speech at the National Press Club.

Republicans have heaped even more criticism upon the agency than usual over the last 22 months because of its improper scrutiny of Tea Party groups.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) perhaps has made the most prominent calls to get rid of the IRS. While launching his presidential bid earlier in March, he floated the idea of “a simple flat tax that lets every American fill out his or her taxes on a postcard.”

Koskinen said Tuesday that, even under the simplest of tax codes, the federal government would need an agency to collect revenue and administer the tax code, something Cruz’s own aides have also admitted.

“Somebody has to collect the money, and then somebody also has to make sure when you fill in the small card, you’re putting in the right numbers,” Koskinen said.

But Koskinen also said he understands why politicians seek to tap into public anger at the IRS. Conservatives have become increasingly angry at the IRS because of the Tea Party controversy, but Koskinen insisted that an overly complicated tax code spurred much of the anger at his agency.

“I think that’s a lot of what’s behind, you know, ‘get rid of the IRS.’ It’s really ‘get rid of this complicated tax code.’ And to that extent, I think that’s a reasonable goal,” Koskinen said.
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Reboot!

[TheButterZone]

It's not the overly complicated tax code - it's that without taxes, there would be no government to systematically violate human rights and no court system to rubber stamp the government in effectively every challenge to same.

[funtotry]

Sounds like a great idea. Flat tax makes everything simple and easier. The IRS can't be removed (unless there is LOTS of support for that) but it can be scaled down and made much easier.

[Chef Ramsay]

But when the Fed is creating money out of thin air like they have been, they can do plenty w/o generating more tax revenue to commit their wrongs on our behalf. Inflation thru QE is the status quo these days yet the prices on necessities are rising out of control.

[Spendulus]

Sounds like a great idea. Flat tax makes everything simple and easier. The IRS can't be removed (unless there is LOTS of support for that) but it can be scaled down and made much easier.

Tax form in Australia does take five minutes to fill out.

Same in Russia post-1992.

[funtotry]

Sounds like a great idea. Flat tax makes everything simple and easier. The IRS can't be removed (unless there is LOTS of support for that) but it can be scaled down and made much easier.

Tax form in Australia does take five minutes to fill out.

Same in Russia post-1992.

Exactly, other countries are doing this and there is no reason not to do it here in the US. Taxes are too hard to do and a flat tax would be very beneficial.

[lucasjkr]

It's not the overly complicated tax code - it's that without taxes, there would be no government to systematically violate human rights and no court system to rubber stamp the government in effectively every challenge to same.

Chomsky has a great lecture, I only wish thT I could remember which it is. But his point is that corporations are uninfluencable by the non-monied, whereas the government and public institutions are. We might not be happy with our government, but the behaviors of corporations have nothing else to keep them in check but public institutions. Take away that bastion, and I think history already shows that we would suffer far more than we do today 

Yes, the government isn't perfecf.

Yes, it is in desperate need of change.

No, the answer isn't for there to be no government at all. Well maybe in a utopia type of reality it would be but we're not there.

[countryfree]

The IRS is only a tool. The real issues are in the tax codes, and the tax themselves. There are countries without any kind of income tax. Property tax and sales tax should be sufficient if countries weren't spending so much on the war on drugs, mass surveillance of the people, etc...

[Aggressor66]

Where is Lois Lerner hiding and why hasn't she been indicted?

[Spendulus]

The IRS commissioner on Tuesday brushed aside GOP proposals to abolish his agency, insisting the U.S. would have to have a tax collector one way or another. ....

Let's discuss the issue of abolishing the agency after abolishing this particular IRS commissioner with someone who is not at all adverse to abolishing the aagency.

[wearefucked]

Let's simply make an anonymous crypto-currency a reality, then no need to abolish anything, it will simply wither away due to lack of reporting.

As for the guy who thinks we need government to regulate corporations, what rock have you been hiding under for the past 6000 years? Corporations and government have always been in bed together to create oligarchies and privileged positions over markets. Licensing is for example one way that is accomplished. Got your insurance license? Warren Buffet does for his insurance companies.

[9000]

How would Ted Cruz get paid then?

This people are beyond ridiculous...

[BADecker]

The idea that the GOP can abolish the IRS is false. Why? The IRS is based on voluntary consent.

How have you consented? You have consented in the same way that you would have if you gave in to the demands of anyone else.

Suppose that Joe Blow from the other side of town decides to sue you for $100,000. Imagine that he even does it through his corporation. XYZ Corporation vs. You. And let's say that he has all kinds of trumped up charges that seem to show that you owe his corporation the money.

Well, write up a claim of wrongdoing against Joe Blow, not XYZ Corporation, and file it as a response to his complaint, not as a separate claim. He, Joe, is wronging you by attempting to steal your property, your money. File it as a man against a man claim. After all, if he were not pushing the complaint against you, his corporate papers wouldn't jump up all by themselves and file against you.

In court, Joe will have to get up on the stand and swear that he has full knowledge that you owe something. He will need to swear to itemizations, have evidence, and maybe have a witness. Joe will not do this unless he has evidence. If he does, maybe you owe him the $100,000.

The IRS is the same. File a claim against the man in the IRS office that is pushing the claim against you. Do it as a man or woman, in your capacity as a human being. Nobody will get up on the stand to testify under oath or affirmation that you owe the IRS a single penny, except, maybe if you have a contract with them.

None of this has anything to do with the GOP. It all has to do with private contracts and court cases and agreements. The IRS is not an agency of government.

[ijphlrnxewho]

The only way, the American people can abolish the IRS is if they've won the war.
The Declaration of Independence of 1776 try to abolish the illegal tax organization from the monarch. In the modern day, that illegal tax organization is known as the IRS.

When the IRS chief told the general public that they can't abolish the IRS.
That's their way of letting the American people know that they haven't yet won the ongoing Civil War in America against the 13 inbred terrorist European Bloodlines.

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