[Serious] Avatar Rules Discussion

[dogie]

The other thread is still discussing gif memes so I thought I'd start a [serious] thread. We should discuss avatar rules / conventions in advance of issues arrising. Here are some discussion points to start us off. I'll add more as they're suggested.

1) Is nudity allowed? If so, to what extreme? To a non nsfw tag?
2) Is NSFL allowed? [NSFL = Not Safe For Life]
3) Is other adult content allowed?
4) Are paid avatar campaigns allowed?
5) Is copyright content allowed? How should copyright holders request deletion of infringing content?
6) Is racial / sexist content allowed?
7) Is there a limit on 'annoyingness'?
8 ) Are 'imitation' avatars allowed? Ie wearing avatars of specific companies to give the false impression of representation.
9) How should users report those with infringing avatars?

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[Superhitech]

1,2,3) No. Not everyone wants to browse the forum while looking at porn.

4) I think if avatars are to be sold, they should just be displayed like MarcoTheMiner's avatar, with his actual avatar on one side and the company name/logo on the other.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=147773

That way, avatars can still be unique, and people can earn bitcoin without the forum getting spammed with the same avatar.

[Quickseller]

1, 2, 3 - NSFW avatars are not allowed. I am not sure what NSFL means, but I assume it is a typo.

4 - there has not been any specific rule against them, however I don't see any real way to enforce such a rule as campaigns could theoretically originate offsite. Plus prohibiting them would be infringing on users' freedom of speech which is generally not something that the forum engages in

5 - The forum follows the law. I assume a copyright holder should request deletion of infringing content the same way they would request that other content be taken down. is how do to it

6, 7 - I have not seen any rule above that NSFW content is not allowed. However limiting these kinds of things would be stepping on freedom of speech. Just because someone has an unpopular view does not mean they should not be able to express it.

8 - I think that would be difficult because only full members+ can have avatars, so it would be pretty difficult to impersonate via both a username and an avatar without being noticed long before you can have an avatar, so you would get negative trust, which would make it much more obvious. Also most avatars have been reused several times by several people.

9 - see 5

[EcuaMobi]

1,2,3: Definitely not.
4: I vote no. If they are I agree with Superhitech, probably not more that 50% of the space should be bought. However it would be a mess to enforce.
5: Not allowed, but again it'd be hard to enforce.
6: Clear infringements should not be allowed.
7: I think it'd be too hard to rate 'annoyingness' so probably not allowing animated gifs is enough.
8: Clear tries to impersonate someone else or a company shouldn't be allowed.
9: There should be a link to report in everyone's profile. Mods should be able to ban the usage of avatars for a period of time or permanently.

[theymos]

1) Is nudity allowed? If so, to what extreme? To a non nsfw tag?

No.

2) Is NSFL allowed? [NSFL = Not Safe For Life]

No.

3) Is other adult content allowed?

Maybe.

If I receive (or anticipate receiving) several complaints about something, it's probably too much.

4) Are paid avatar campaigns allowed?

Yes.

5) Is copyright content allowed? How should copyright holders request deletion of infringing content?

You are not allowed to infringe copyright, of course. I have no way of knowing whether you have a license to use particular images, and it's additionally sometimes difficult to determine whether fair use applies, so I will not be proactively removing possibly-infringing images. The DMCA process is used.

6) Is racial / sexist content allowed?

Probably.

7) Is there a limit on 'annoyingness'?

Animation is not allowed, so I feel like it'd be difficult to create an avatar that is sufficiently annoying that I'd want to remove it.

8 ) Are 'imitation' avatars allowed? Ie wearing avatars of specific companies to give the false impression of representation.

Copying someone's avatar in order to impersonate them or cause confusion is not allowed. But if you both use some generic picture of some famous person or something, that's probably not going to count, and using elements of someone's avatar for purposes other than impersonation will probably be allowed. Same for companies.

9) How should users report those with infringing avatars?

DMCA takedown notices or any other legal thing must be emailed to me. For other issues, post about it in Meta.

[Vhawk23]

So... Just a question here...
If someone broke the rule...
Do they got banned or something?
If they do how long?

[abyrnes81]

So... Just a question here...
If someone broke the rule...
Do they got banned or something?
If they do how long?

Yeah of course, he could be warned by a moderator (not always) and after he will (surely) be banned.

[Grand_Voyageur]

So... Just a question here...
If someone broke the rule...
Do they got banned or something?
If they do how long?

What a silly question....?!?  
Admins may clearly ban people that are breaking rules. Repeated offenders may end being permabanned.

[erikalui]

Glad that Theymos replied to most of the questions but still I don't like the fact of adult content being allowed. Regarding copyright, even my image can be considered then as it's taken from the internet and many other members too have copied images which I don't think is wrong as we are not earning by advertising them or are misusing those images. It is just an image I believe in and hence have it as my Avatar. If my avatar is considered a copyright, then I'll delete it.

[shorena]

1) Is nudity allowed? If so, to what extreme? To a non nsfw tag?

No.

2) Is NSFL allowed? [NSFL = Not Safe For Life]

No.

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This profile[1] looks NSFW to me.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121

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I am not sure what NSFL means, but I assume it is a typo.
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http://de.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NSFL

[abyrnes81]

1) Is nudity allowed? If so, to what extreme? To a non nsfw tag?

No.

2) Is NSFL allowed? [NSFL = Not Safe For Life]

No.

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This profile[1] looks NSFW to me.


[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121

I don't think, it is only a "cartoon's girl". It is not a real girl and I don't think that you can't categorize it just NSFW.


just my 2 cents.

[shorena]

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I don't think, it is only a "cartoon's girl". It is not a real girl and I don't think that you can't categorize it just NSFW.


just my 2 cents.

If thats a common view here I can accept that and just stop reading from work, but I know when I scroll past that and my boss in behind me I will have problems.

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Not Safe For Life is something graphically disturbing like a beheaded man or a dead dog hanging on a tree.

the one you just referred are called an ecchi (Jap for perv) image. so that's not really a NSFL avatars.

fun fact: NSFL originally means Not Safe for Lunch. dunno how it changed

[shorena]

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Not Safe For Life is something graphically disturbing like a beheaded man or a dead dog hanging on a tree.

the one you just referred are called an ecchi (Jap for perv) image. so that's not really a NSFL avatars.

fun fact: NSFL originally means Not Safe for Lunch. dunno how it changed

Thats why I wrote NSFW. Most "NSFL" things dont seem to bother me, but - again - would bother my boss, which in turn is a problem for me.

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Thats why I wrote NSFW. Most "NSFL" things dont seem to bother me, but - again - would bother my boss, which in turn is a problem for me.

well, NSFW are adult content and-

3) Is other adult content allowed?

Maybe.

If I receive (or anticipate receiving) several complaints about something, it's probably too much.

-I think it's allowed as long as it doesn't draw too much attention.

fun fact  : you can disable avatars from your profile

[chmod755]

Good questions here.

Does anybody know of DMCA case on a forum avatar? I know it could happen, but I don't think that's a concern to most copyright owners.

[EcuaMobi]

Good questions here.

Does anybody know of DMCA case on a forum avatar? I know it could happen, but I don't think that's a concern to most copyright owners.

Normally copyright is a concern if the one committing the infraction takes monetary gain from it. I really doubt someone here would make money from using a copyrighted avatar. As you said it's possible but extremely unlikely. I've never heard of a case like that.
what could happen is that someone uses a registered (copyrighted) logo to deceive other people into thinking he represents a company. But of course in this case the main violation would be impersonation, not copyright infringements.

[Gyfts]

1) Is nudity allowed? If so, to what extreme? To a non nsfw tag?
2) Is NSFL allowed? [NSFL = Not Safe For Life]
3) Is other adult content allowed?
4) Are paid avatar campaigns allowed?
5) Is copyright content allowed? How should copyright holders request deletion of infringing content?
6) Is racial / sexist content allowed?
7) Is there a limit on 'annoyingness'?
8 ) Are 'imitation' avatars allowed? Ie wearing avatars of specific companies to give the false impression of representation.
9) How should users report those with infringing avatars?

Personal Option:

1) No need for pornograpy to be on a Bitcoin forum.
2.) No need for violence or gruesome images.
3.) Female avatars should be allowed (for those immature enough to use it), but with diligence.
4.) Of course. By all means they should be monetized just as signatures are monetized. They can simply be an addition to the signature campaigns for more customization and for branding purposes.
5.) Nope. This would be illegal in some jurisdictions which the forum does not endorse or permit.
6.) That's pretty much the same as the NSFW content.
7.) Shouldn't be. As long as it's in reason.
8.) No regulation should be done on this as long as it doesn't violate copy rights.
9.) PM a mod.


If theymos feels there needs to be some moderation on avatars, he'll edit his post and enforce rules. As of now, there seems to be no noticeable issue.

[bitcoinwallet.id]

The other thread is still discussing gif memes so I thought I'd start a [serious] thread. We should discuss avatar rules / conventions in advance of issues arrising. Here are some discussion points to start us off. I'll add more as they're suggested.

1) Is nudity allowed? If so, to what extreme? To a non nsfw tag?
2) Is NSFL allowed? [NSFL = Not Safe For Life]
3) Is other adult content allowed?
4) Are paid avatar campaigns allowed?
5) Is copyright content allowed? How should copyright holders request deletion of infringing content?
6) Is racial / sexist content allowed?
7) Is there a limit on 'annoyingness'?
8 ) Are 'imitation' avatars allowed? Ie wearing avatars of specific companies to give the false impression of representation.
9) How should users report those with infringing avatars?

I think:
1.2.3. No! There are children around here!
4. I think it is possible (like signatures, avatars can be ignored)
5.6. No! They are illegal in some places!
7. Yes. Very annoying avatars should be banned.
8. ...what does this means?
9. Open a thread and list those users.

[R2D221]

6) Is racial / sexist content allowed?

Probably.

Why?