An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me?

[theymos]

When bitcointalk.org isn't working, run traceroute bitcointalk.org (Linux) or tracert bitcointalk.org (Windows) using the not-working connection. Post the result here. If you don't want your IP address to be public, completely remove any lines containing your IP address.

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[Muhammed Zakir]

Now, I can connect without VPN. I still don't understand what was the reason, however, some of them told possibilities. Anyway, thank you!

[redsn0w]

Now, I can connect without VPN. I still don't understand what was the reason, however, some of them told possibilities. Anyway, thank you!

Can you post (I'm curious) your traceroute (hide your personal ip)? This is my :

Code:

Traccia instradamento verso bitcointalk.org [186.2.165.183]
su un massimo di 30 punti di passaggio:

  1    10 ms     2 ms     2 ms  www.huaweimobilewifi.com [192.168.8.1]
  2     *        *        *     Richiesta scaduta.
  3   152 ms   112 ms    67 ms  151.6.52.194
  4   100 ms    60 ms    52 ms  151.6.52.212
  5    56 ms    50 ms    55 ms  151.6.5.96
  6   102 ms   134 ms    99 ms  151.6.6.209
  7   110 ms   105 ms    69 ms  151.6.92.151
  8   102 ms    92 ms   110 ms  ANantes-657-1-244-217.w2-0.abo.wanadoo.fr [2.0.179.217]
  9   100 ms    53 ms    57 ms  ANantes-657-1-244-218.w2-0.abo.wanadoo.fr [2.0.179.218]
 10    99 ms   104 ms    98 ms  172.31.0.5
 11    98 ms    90 ms   106 ms  151.5.139.69
 12   118 ms    58 ms    70 ms  151.6.92.194
 13    58 ms    58 ms    68 ms  151.6.92.154
 14    61 ms    58 ms    58 ms  151.6.7.214
 15   115 ms   108 ms    64 ms  151.6.0.70
 16     *        *        *     Richiesta scaduta.
 17     *        *        *     Richiesta scaduta.
 18   118 ms    81 ms    85 ms  10.10.68.11
 19     *        *        *     Richiesta scaduta.
 20   131 ms   118 ms   133 ms  10.10.48.5
 21   171 ms   126 ms   139 ms  ddos-guard.net [186.2.165.2]
 22    88 ms    83 ms   136 ms  node-186-2-165-183.reverse.x4b.me [186.2.165.183]

Traccia completata.

@theymos, what is  https://186.2.165.2:8006/#v1:0:18:4::::::   (ddos-guard.net) is it a new ddos service "installed" here in the forum (after the ultimate ddos attack)? I don't remember to have seen it in the past month (or maybe I didn't noticed it).

[Muhammed Zakir]

Without VPN:

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
  =snip=
 4  223.196.1.77 (223.196.1.77)  5218.928 ms  6140.400 ms  7061.777 ms
 5  223.196.7.161 (223.196.7.161)  7983.013 ms  8803.091 ms  8803.280 ms
 6  223.196.6.253 (223.196.6.253)  8803.259 ms  8793.376 ms  8793.183 ms
 7  62.208.252.225 (62.208.252.225)  8792.849 ms  7681.464 ms  6964.936 ms
 8  * * *
 9  * * *
10  * * *
11  * * *
12  * * *
13  10.10.48.5 (10.10.48.5)  2463.142 ms  2974.825 ms  5016.395 ms
14  ddos-guard.net (186.2.165.2)  1431.839 ms  1841.873 ms  1842.262 ms
15  node-186-2-165-183.reverse.x4b.me (186.2.165.183)  1842.012 ms  931.474 ms  1852.168 ms

[CIYAM]

Those times are very slow (you'd feel right at home in China) so I am not surprised if you are getting timeouts.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Those times are very slow (you'd feel right at home in China) so I am not surprised if you are getting timeouts.

I understand but why do it last for hours? Even though if I get some timeouts, it shouldn't last for hours, right?

What do you mean by "you'd feel right at home in China"? Does it mean something else than what it looks? I live in India, btw.

[CIYAM]

I understand but why do it last for hours? Even though if I get some timeouts, it shouldn't last for hours, right?

Very hard to know if you don't know why you are getting such poor times.

What do you mean by "you'd feel right at home in China"? Does it mean something else than what it looks? I live in India, btw.

I live in China (sorry - guess you didn't realise that) so I am all too familiar with extremely restricted and slow internet.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Very hard to know if you don't know why you are getting such poor times.

Okay. Most of the times, it only happens when I connect to this forum. That's why, I was curious to know the reason.

I live in China (sorry - guess you didn't realise that) so I am all too familiar with extremely restricted and slow internet.

No problem. Restricted and slow internet are seen widely in villages in India and I assume it is same in villages in other parts of the world^[1] but mine isn't slow always, I get up to 300 kbps^[2], however, restrictions are high.

[1] However, there are villages without enough electricity and technologies where we can not see internet and even if there is, we can only see in certain places.
[2] It is possible 300 kbps is fast for me as I haven't experienced/used a faster connection.


I will keep this thread open.

[2112]

Without VPN:

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
  =snip=
 4  223.196.1.77 (223.196.1.77)  5218.928 ms  6140.400 ms  7061.777 ms
 5  223.196.7.161 (223.196.7.161)  7983.013 ms  8803.091 ms  8803.280 ms
 6  223.196.6.253 (223.196.6.253)  8803.259 ms  8793.376 ms  8793.183 ms
 7  62.208.252.225 (62.208.252.225)  8792.849 ms  7681.464 ms  6964.936 ms
 8  * * *
 9  * * *
10  * * *
11  * * *
12  * * *
13  10.10.48.5 (10.10.48.5)  2463.142 ms  2974.825 ms  5016.395 ms
14  ddos-guard.net (186.2.165.2)  1431.839 ms  1841.873 ms  1842.262 ms
15  node-186-2-165-183.reverse.x4b.me (186.2.165.183)  1842.012 ms  931.474 ms  1852.168 ms

This trace reads like misconfigured equipment. I see about 6 seconds in the 4th hop then the final is reached in around 1 second. My best guess is this is a misconfigured firewall doing reverse DNS on every packet and letting them through only after RDNS failure. Notice that the packets without explicit reverse DNS address take several seconds whereas the packets with a set reverse address only take 1 or 2 seconds. This used to be a known bug with Microsoft Proxy/ISA/Forefront Server.

There's no physical reason for this type of ISP latency on Earth, it would only make sense for some space communication.

[Muhammed Zakir]

This trace reads like misconfigured equipment. I see about 6 seconds in the 4th hop then the final is reached in around 1 second. My best guess is this is a misconfigured firewall doing reverse DNS on every packet and letting them through only after RDNS failure. Notice that the packets without explicit reverse DNS address take several seconds whereas the packets with a set reverse address only take 1 or 2 seconds. This used to be a known bug with Microsoft Proxy/ISA/Forefront Server.

There's no physical reason for this type of ISP latency on Earth, it would only make sense for some space communication.

Thank you for telling! I am using Linux Lubuntu. Is there a way to fix this if this is misconfiguration?

[shorena]

This trace reads like misconfigured equipment. I see about 6 seconds in the 4th hop then the final is reached in around 1 second. My best guess is this is a misconfigured firewall doing reverse DNS on every packet and letting them through only after RDNS failure. Notice that the packets without explicit reverse DNS address take several seconds whereas the packets with a set reverse address only take 1 or 2 seconds. This used to be a known bug with Microsoft Proxy/ISA/Forefront Server.

There's no physical reason for this type of ISP latency on Earth, it would only make sense for some space communication.

Thank you for telling! I am using Linux Lubuntu. Is there a way to fix this if this is misconfiguration?

If its on the 4th hop or later its a problem of/with your ISP.

[2112]

Thank you for telling! I am using Linux Lubuntu. Is there a way to fix this if this is misconfiguration?

How can anyone help you without you posting the very detailed information about your setup? You'll probably also need at least temporary access to another computer and/or another ISP.

[chronicsky]

Though it's not much frequent but i have experienced it many times over some months. And yeah it's specific to this forum only, when i tracert'ed it , it went Timed out for some seconds and then back on , though my Internet connection is working fine ATM . But it never turned out to be much issue , after max of 1-5 refresh's it's back on track . But sometimes i have to clear cache to get it running

[Muhammed Zakir]

How can anyone help you without you posting the very detailed information about your setup? You'll probably also need at least temporary access to another computer and/or another ISP.

Sorry for lack of details. What all details are necessary? As I have mentioned earlier, I have tried with another ISP.

Though it's not much frequent but i have experienced it many times over some months. And yeah it's specific to this forum only, when i tracert'ed it , it went Timed out for some seconds and then back on , though my Internet connection is working fine ATM . But it never turned out to be much issue , after max of 1-5 refresh's it's back on track . But sometimes i have to clear cache to get it running

So is it because of some problem in India? It will be helpful if any Indians other than who posted here can tell whether they are experiencing any problems. Thank you!

[redsn0w]

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So is it because of some problem in India? It will be helpful if any Indians other than who posted here can tell whether they are experiencing any problems. Thank you!

Can you post a traceroute when you are connected through VPN? I would like to see the difference between your first trace and the second. Thanks.

[2112]

Sorry for lack of details. What all details are necessary? As I have mentioned earlier, I have tried with another ISP.

The details are necessary for anyone to really help you. The only people who will not ask for details are the scammers who will need the minimum information required to plant a trojan/exploit on your computer, especially if you seem to have just one machine loaded with coins.

The first detail I always ask: do you know what you doing? Like the basics of networking: local vs. globally-routable IP? My experience shows that it is the best to assume that somebody having weird problems simply has very minimal understanding of networking and pretends to be knowledgeable for reasons related to the social status.

On another forum I've watched someone posting about "trying different ISPs," with no success. Finally somebody posted who knows the particular city. It turned out that the "different ISPs" were just a different resellers for the same ISP, just selling in different languages and with different marketing/payment plans.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Can you post a traceroute when you are connected through VPN? I would like to see the difference between your first trace and the second. Thanks.

Will do tomorrow.

Sorry for lack of details. What all details are necessary? As I have mentioned earlier, I have tried with another ISP.

The details are necessary for anyone to really help you. The only people who will not ask for details are the scammers who will need the minimum information required to plant a trojan/exploit on your computer, especially if you seem to have just one machine loaded with coins.

Okay. Thanks for telling! But is it easy to plant malware with "minimum" information? What is considered as "minimum" information?

The first detail I always ask: do you know what you doing? Like the basics of networking: local vs. globally-routable IP?

As I have mentioned earlier, my knowledge in this is very limited. I looked more about locally and globally-routable IP. I think I understood basics/theories.

My experience shows that it is the best to assume that somebody having weird problems simply has very minimal understanding of networking and pretends to be knowledgeable for reasons related to the social status.

I understand what you are telling. I have done it myself one or two times.

On another forum I've watched someone posting about "trying different ISPs," with no success. Finally somebody posted who knows the particular city. It turned out that the "different ISPs" were just a different resellers for the same ISP, just selling in different languages and with different marketing/payment plans.

Nope. I used different ISP not modified same ISP. Anyway, thanks!

[2112]

Okay. Thanks for telling! But is it easy to plant malware with "minimum" information? What is considered as "minimum" information?

I don't know what is the minimum information required to rip-off somebody. Probably the most common rip-offs are done with a help offer via Teamviewer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeamViewer#Fraudulent_uses but I'm not really up to speed in that racket.

As I have mentioned earlier, my knowledge in this is very limited. I looked more about locally and globally-routable IP. I think I understood basics/theories.

Personally, I don't think you understand the basics.

Code:

13  10.10.48.5 (10.10.48.5)  2463.142 ms  2974.825 ms  5016.395 ms

In the previously posted traceroute you have a non-globally-routable IP address (10/8 subnet) at position 13. I don't know if there's an simpler and more obvious way to detect routing shenanigans than that.

[Muhammed Zakir]

I don't know what is the minimum information required to rip-off somebody. Probably the most common rip-offs are done with a help offer via Teamviewer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeamViewer#Fraudulent_uses but I'm not really up to speed in that racket.

Thanks for the link!

Personally, I don't think you understand the basics.

Code:

13  10.10.48.5 (10.10.48.5)  2463.142 ms  2974.825 ms  5016.395 ms

In the previously posted traceroute you have a non-globally-routable IP address (10/8 subnet) at position 13. I don't know if there's an simpler and more obvious way to detect routing shenanigans than that.

I think I understand what you are trying to proove. I posted exact lines(except I removed first 3) I got after running the command "traceroute bitcointalk.org". I didn't want to make changes as it may lead to more complications. So...?

[2112]

I think I understand what you are trying to proove. I posted exact lines(except I removed first 3) I got after running the command "traceroute bitcointalk.org". I didn't want to make changes as it may lead to more complications. So...?

I apologize in advance for being blunt. I don't otherwise will achieve any sort of positive communication.

M.Z. doesn't know what he's doing. He's afraid to admit it. He had either:

1) managed to get his computer&gateway working by installing some malware or shitware that screws up routing
2) buys his Internet access from some black market supplier, equivalent to earlier Indian dishwallahs who frequently were resellers of cracked-encryption satellite TV receivers
3) steals his Internet access from someplace with significant restrictions
4) is completely honest and forthright, but pays for Internet access to somebody who does 1)-3).

The situation you are with is typically called "painted yourself into a corner". You are now afraid to make any changes, like a floor painter who didn't think ahead and didn't plan a way to leave the room he had to paint.