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April 18, 2015, 08:33:36 PM |
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If true, ouch.
But it should be common knowledge by now to encrypt any sensitive info, even through PM. Maybe this will be a lesson to some.
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April 18, 2015, 08:38:14 PM |
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Butterfly Labs was, well...scammers. The emails would form evidence of what they said/promised and what people expected and paid for, and then the long train of complaints by the consumers and the ducking and dodging by BFL. Relative to bringing charges against BFL (civil or criminal I don't know.) I'm leaning in favor of that's the way the system is supposed to work. In other words, this is not NSA massive spying. Who agrees or disagrees with this point of view? |
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April 18, 2015, 08:47:11 PM |
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If I can say my personal opinion (I hope the Us government is reading this thread !): that simple theymos is almost 'obliged' to satisfy their orders or he can risky the jail -/- fight it in court (he probably choose to send all the data, instead fight them). Someone of you have never sent a pm to BFL? I hope you have not (never) sent a sensitive message to them. |
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April 18, 2015, 09:23:09 PM |
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If I can say my personal opinion (I hope the Us government is reading this thread !): that simple theymos is almost 'obliged' to satisfy their orders or he can risky the jail -/- fight it in court (he probably choose to send all the data, instead fight them). Someone of you have never sent a pm to BFL? I hope you have not (never) sent a sensitive message to them. It would be interesting to know if it's true and how it happened. I feel if it did happen there is a story to follow. But if they are using it to go after BFL, it's not really a bad thing. It might help some of the people that bfl scammed. Just out of curiosity I will it had a full list of who's information was given. |
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April 18, 2015, 09:38:40 PM |
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If I can say my personal opinion (I hope the Us government is reading this thread !): that simple theymos is almost 'obliged' to satisfy their orders or he can risky the jail -/- fight it in court (he probably choose to send all the data, instead fight them). Someone of you have never sent a pm to BFL? I hope you have not (never) sent a sensitive message to them. It would be interesting to know if it's true and how it happened. I feel if it did happen there is a story to follow. But if they are using it to go after BFL, it's not really a bad thing. It might help some of the people that bfl scammed. Just out of curiosity I will it had a full list of who's information was given. I agree with the fact that it was a good call to comply and give up the PM's because it was helping the government with scammers like BFL, but I bet it doesn't stop there and it should scare some users knowing that their PM's aren't safe. |
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April 18, 2015, 09:48:14 PM |
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If I can say my personal opinion (I hope the Us government is reading this thread !): that simple theymos is almost 'obliged' to satisfy their orders or he can risky the jail -/- fight it in court (he probably choose to send all the data, instead fight them). Someone of you have never sent a pm to BFL? I hope you have not (never) sent a sensitive message to them. It would be interesting to know if it's true and how it happened. I feel if it did happen there is a story to follow. But if they are using it to go after BFL, it's not really a bad thing. It might help some of the people that bfl scammed. Just out of curiosity I will it had a full list of who's information was given. I agree with the fact that it was a good call to comply and give up the PM's because it was helping the government with scammers like BFL, but I bet it doesn't stop there and it should scare some users knowing that their PM's aren't safe. By what is written in the article it seems it was BFL requesting the information, they might be going after some employees for disclosing information while under a NDA. |
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April 18, 2015, 10:47:54 PM |
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No Gaw?  This would be a great news for BFL and I hope this increases the chance for them to go into jail. |
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April 18, 2015, 10:52:09 PM |
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No Gaw? This would be a great news for BFL and I hope this increases the chance for them to go into jail. Even though BFL came through in the end for me, the fact that they allowed themselves to be backlogged to the point that it took them 6 months to ship me my rig - is what sours me on them. I'm like whatever at this point. |
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April 18, 2015, 10:54:47 PM |
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If I can say my personal opinion (I hope the Us government is reading this thread !): that simple theymos is almost 'obliged' to satisfy their orders or he can risky the jail -/- fight it in court (he probably choose to send all the data, instead fight them). Someone of you have never sent a pm to BFL? I hope you have not (never) sent a sensitive message to them. It would be interesting to know if it's true and how it happened. I feel if it did happen there is a story to follow. But if they are using it to go after BFL, it's not really a bad thing. It might help some of the people that bfl scammed. Just out of curiosity I will it had a full list of who's information was given. I agree with the fact that it was a good call to comply and give up the PM's because it was helping the government with scammers like BFL, but I bet it doesn't stop there and it should scare some users knowing that their PM's aren't safe. By what is written in the article it seems it was BFL requesting the information, they might be going after some employees for disclosing information while under a NDA. i see someone wore their thinking cap today. |
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April 18, 2015, 11:48:44 PM |
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No Gaw? This would be a great news for BFL and I hope this increases the chance for them to go into jail. Give it a year or so. They are just now starting to be sued and looked into. Chances are GAW will end up being investigated just like BFL. That is my opinion I could be wrong on it. With not paying their power bill it's not looking good for GAW. |
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April 19, 2015, 12:06:36 AM |
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Butterfly Labs was, well...scammers. The emails would form evidence of what they said/promised and what people expected and paid for, and then the long train of complaints by the consumers and the ducking and dodging by BFL. Relative to bringing charges against BFL (civil or criminal I don't know.) I'm leaning in favor of that's the way the system is supposed to work. In other words, this is not NSA massive spying. Who agrees or disagrees with this point of view? I agree with you, this is the way the system is supposed to work. However, this is not a government action, it is civil. The CV in the case number (14-CV-2159-KHV-JPO) means civil action and if you look it up, you see the case was brought by Kyle Alexander, et al., v. BF Labs Inc. |
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April 19, 2015, 01:23:49 PM |
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I guess GAW will be next. Now; that´s something to wade through, probably about five million man hours of posting. Too bad those geniuses didn´t spend one half of one per cent of that on AmHash.
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April 19, 2015, 01:36:04 PM |
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 - hi theymos -  - gitmo ? theymos -  don't worry :  http://valdaiclub.com/media/main/1a/25336.jpgnope worry most, they are only 2 options, or the us army restore the constitutional republic very soon, or they are wiped out later... they know it (and not only military, but systematically). barack and hitlary scanning the forum to remove opponents... (only 44 journalists in jail in China... something is going wrong, or I am too used to the western realities of presstitution and diffuse corruption who knows  ). no fear. |
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April 19, 2015, 01:36:51 PM |
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Butterfly Labs was, well...scammers. The emails would form evidence of what they said/promised and what people expected and paid for, and then the long train of complaints by the consumers and the ducking and dodging by BFL. Relative to bringing charges against BFL (civil or criminal I don't know.) I'm leaning in favor of that's the way the system is supposed to work. In other words, this is not NSA massive spying. Who agrees or disagrees with this point of view? I agree with you, this is the way the system is supposed to work. However, this is not a government action, it is civil. The CV in the case number (14-CV-2159-KHV-JPO) means civil action and if you look it up, you see the case was brought by Kyle Alexander, et al., v. BF Labs Inc. Thx, I didn't bother to look it up. But evidence and facts developed in a civil action can cause a criminal action - in this case it'd be something like mail fraud, depending on the facts. My only purpose was to suggest that "this is okay and it is right" vs YET ANOTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY GETTING OUR EMAILS JUST LIKE THE NSA" which is definitely not right.... |
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April 19, 2015, 02:31:34 PM |
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This shouldn't surprise you. If you want this forum to stay legit, theymos needs to cooperate. I'm pretty sure that there are many agencies watching this forum (Hi!).
I'm however worried about the potential abuse with subpoenas to get PMs.
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April 19, 2015, 02:33:12 PM |
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This shouldn't surprise you. If you want this forum to stay legit, theymos needs to cooperate. I'm pretty sure that there are many agencies watching this forum (Hi!).
I'm however worried about the potential abuse with subpoenas to get PMs.
electronic is public, don't get it the fb and co scam of "privacy setting"... rofl. |
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April 19, 2015, 07:08:07 PM |
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I was on the list. One of the BFL scamsters send me a PM asking if I had pics of 'his father'. I didn't reply, but I think I made mention of it on the public forum somewhere. As far as I am concerned, Theymos (or Thermos as I like to call him) did exactly the right thing from what I can ascertain. He did only as much as required by the court and with some resistance. Much more important, he's done what he can to inform people of the goings on. This is risky and not always possible in what is shaping up to be something of a police state dominated world to be frank about things. Theymos may or may not have been able to do more in terms of truly deleting 'deleted' PM's. And not keeping access logs if he does. But to be fair, I don't run any privacy sensitive web sites and I don't know if he either does work to avoid access logs, or is required to keep them for some legal reasons. Even if he worked to avoid them, however, absent a fairly advanced proxy solution it would not matter much since the info would be logged by others anyway. I for one appreciate the PM I got from Theymos. I never expected privacy when using bitcointalk either as a public forum or as a PM solution, and invite people to use my private e-mail address for future potentially sensitive correspondence. Doing otherwise you be stupid on my part and not on the part of Theymos. I do hope that Theymos now has some more empathy for the whats-his-fuck partner of his in the quasi-stock-market thing they had going. Obviously 99.9% of people are going to buckle under the power that the state can bring to bear on anyone. That British guy sounds like a world class shithead from what I can deduce, but not because he folded the exchange when the state came down on his ass. Any vaguely sane and semi-rational person will do just that, and that includes 99.9% of those holding Bitcoin today. That should factor in to a design of distributed crypto-currencies, including Bitcoin, going forward, but I don't hold much hope for that. And with Gavin involved my hope is effectively less than zero. |
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April 19, 2015, 07:27:43 PM |
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I was on the list. One of the BFL scamsters send me a PM asking if I had pics of 'his father'. I didn't reply, but I think I made mention of it on the public forum somewhere. ... I have to ask how did you know you were on the list? Did he PM everyone on list or release a list of names? I was just curious on that how you know if an account was on it. |
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