Western nutjobs destroyed Libya - another of their wrecks. Here are the results

[galdur]

Can´t we all agree? Isn´t oil and armaments humanitarian?

Humanitarian interest in Libya 2011. Color-coded humanitarian interest in the lowermost image.

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[galdur]

Pétrole : l’accord secret entre le CNT et la France

Par Vittorio De Filippis — 1 septembre 2011 à 00:00 (mis à jour à 13:16

Dans une lettre que s’est procurée «Libération», les rebelles promettent d’accorder 35% du brut libyen aux Français.

La morale politique n’a rien à faire avec les affaires. C’est, en substance, ce que répète le gouvernement français depuis le 19 mars, jour du lancement de l’opération militaire contre les troupes du colonel Kadhafi. Paris n’a qu’un seul objectif : «Venir en aide à un peuple en danger de mort […] au nom de la conscience universelle qui ne peut tolérer de tels crimes, déclare Nicolas Sarkozy lors d’un discours à l’Elysée, le 19 mars. Nous le faisons pour protéger la population civile de la folie meurtrière d’un régime qui, en assassinant son propre peuple, a perdu toute légitimité.» N’empêche, les entreprises pétrolières françaises pourraient largement profiter de cette campagne militaire. C’est en tout cas ce qui est écrit noir sur blanc dans un document que Libération s’est procuré. Texte signé par le Conseil national de transition (CNT), autorité de transition créée par les rebelles libyens. .....



http://www.liberation.fr/planete/2011/09/01/petrole-l-accord-secret-entre-le-cnt-et-la-france_758320

[Spendulus]

Can´t we all agree? Isn´t oil and armaments humanitarian?

Humanitarian interest in Libya 2011. Color-coded humanitarian interest in the lowermost image.

Does not matter.  Reroute the tankers, others will take their place, since oil is a fungible commodity.  No reasonable or logical conclusion can be made from "Where a country's oil comes from."

Illogical and false conclusions can be made, of course.

[toddtervy]

How the world is still even in one piece with poisonous corrupt treasonous psychopathic u.s. government inflicting it's poison.

[practicaldreamer]

When the UK Government sent troops to Libya to oust Gaddafi it was never put to a vote in the Commons. No - the Government went ahead using the antiquated anachronism known as the "Royal Prerogative".

If Assad did this they'd be calling for his head on a platter.

So much for democratic accountability in the UK.

[galdur]

When the UK Government sent troops to Libya to oust Gaddafi it was never put to a vote in the Commons. No - the Government went ahead using the antiquated anachronism known as the "Royal Prerogative".

If Assad did this they'd be calling for his head on a platter.

So much for democratic accountability in the UK.

Royal Prerogative, hahahahahaha. It´s like something out of the Dark Ages. Small wonder that these screwballs are so tight with the medieval princes in charge of Saudi Arabia. It´s the same mentality. Of course being a weirdo from Eton also helps.

[Spendulus]

How the world is still even in one piece with poisonous corrupt treasonous psychopathic u.s. government inflicting it's poison.

Because there are also the poisonous, corrupt, treasonous and psychopathic poisionous existences of 200 other nations?

[galdur]

West should learn from Iraq and Libya, says Russian envoy Vladimir Morozov

November 23, 2015 - 8:08PM

Russia's ambassador in Canberra has attacked the West's track record in toppling Middle Eastern dictators as he insisted there must be no "political strings attached" to Syria peace talks.

Ambassador Vladimir Morozov, writing on Monday in an opinion article for Fairfax Media, raised the twin spectres of Iraq and Libya as examples of where the United States, Australia and Europeans countries had erred by forcing out their autocratic rulers.

"We can remember Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. In both cases, it was said that if you remove the dictator, the country will prosper. The result as we can see is quite different," he said.

His remarks came as former defence minister Kevin Andrews used a column in the Australian Financial Review to call on the US and its allies to work with Russia and leave Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in place until a viable alternative emerges.

In remarks echoing those of Moscow's envoy, Mr Andrews said that "we should have learnt by now that removing a dictator without having an achievable plan for a viable alternative leaves a vacuum that enemies like [the Islamic State] will fill".

Russia is an ally of Assad's and has intervened in the country's civil war to prop up the dictator. Moscow is also involved in talks in Vienna with the US and other key nations about finding a political solution to Syria's entrenched violence, which is regarded as a key plank in the campaign against the Islamic State terror group.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, who has long called for a pragmatic political solution in Syria that could mean leaving Assad temporarily in place, told Fairfax Media on Friday that "realpolitik" meant both Russia and Iran needed to be at the table for negotiations.

She said it had been "controversial" in June when she first raised the involvement of Iran but time had shown that "no option should be taken off the table".

Referring to the aim of the Vienna talks to hold elections in Syria as soon as 2017, Ms Bishop said that "we should aim for elections to be held as soon as conceivably possible".

Mr Morozov's comments follow Fairfax Media reports that the ambassador had told other international diplomats in Canberra that Moscow would be prepared to see Assad go as part of a compromise over Syria.

But in his Monday article, Mr Morozov said that Assad was a necessary part of negotiations over the future shape of Syria.

"All the forecasts that the people would rise up and oust him never came true. This means one thing: Assad represents the interests of a significant part of Syrian society. So no peaceful solution can be found without his participation."

He added: "I can't agree with the thinking that … [Assad] is behind all misfortune. The terrorist attack in Paris and the Islamic State claiming responsibility for it showed that regardless of whether you are for or against Bashar al-Assad, you are the enemy of the Islamic State. So let's fight IS together."

Debate meanwhile heated up in Canberra on Monday over Australia's military options in the fight against the Islamic State after Mr Andrews used his AFR column to argue that "more is required" including greater use of coalition special forces soldiers.

He said that "a concerted campaign by coalition special forces and related personnel is required to defeat IS".

Justice Minister Michael Keenan said it was good to have a debate about "whoever wants to make a contribution should be welcome to do so".

But he repeated what is now a well-worn line for government ministers that Australia is already "making a very significant contribution" as the second-largest player among the US-led coalition.

"Obviously if other countries would like to step up their contribution to that coalition, then Australia would certainly welcome that," he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/west-should-learn-from-iraq-and-libya-says-russian-envoy-vladimir-morozov-20151123-gl5gb8.html

[bryant.coleman]

When the UK Government sent troops to Libya to oust Gaddafi it was never put to a vote in the Commons. No - the Government went ahead using the antiquated anachronism known as the "Royal Prerogative".

Well... we have to remember the fact that the United Kingdom is no longer a sovereign nation. Just like other nations such as Germany and Japan, the UK is just another one of the US vassal states. The order to attack Gaddafi came from their masters in the Washington DC, and the British parliamentarians just followed it.

[practicaldreamer]

When the UK Government sent troops to Libya to oust Gaddafi it was never put to a vote in the Commons. No - the Government went ahead using the antiquated anachronism known as the "Royal Prerogative".

Well... we have to remember the fact that the United Kingdom is no longer a sovereign nation. Just like other nations such as Germany and Japan, the UK is just another one of the US vassal states. The order to attack Gaddafi came from their masters in the Washington DC, and the British parliamentarians just followed it.

Agreed.

The UK Govt. put it to Parliament a couple of years ago (in the light of the US's attempts at the same) to send troops into Syria to counteract Assad (and, yawn, his chemical weapons arsenal). It was defeated - and the US thought twice.
Its sad to see that the latest attack in Paris is being used as the legitimation the UK sought to get a succesful vote through Parliament to enter Syria. This time they are saying its to counter ISIL - but I think we can safely say the reason might more rightly be stated as weakening President Assad.
Exact same thing Bush did post 9/11 re.Iraq.

What a bunch of cynical bastards they truly are.

[galdur]

“We stand alongside Turkey in its efforts in protecting its national security and fighting against terrorism. France and Turkey are on the same side within the framework of the international coalition against the terrorist group ISIS.” --Statement by French Foreign Ministry, July 2015

[galdur]

Islamic State Tightens Grip on Libyan Stronghold of Sirte

City across the Mediterranean from Europe is first outside Syria or Iraq to come under the group’s control

MISRATA, Libya—Even as foreign powers step up pressure against Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, the militant group has expanded in Libya and established a new base close to Europe where it can generate oil revenue and plot terror attacks.

Since announcing its presence in February in Sirte, the city on Libya’s Mediterranean coast has become the first that the militant group governs outside of Syria and Iraq. Its presence there has grown over the past year from 200 eager fighters to a roughly 5,000-strong contingent which includes administrators and financiers, according to estimates by Libyan intelligence officials, residents and activists in the area.

The group has exploited the deep divisions in Libya, which has two rival governments, to create this new stronghold of violent religious extremism just across the Mediterranean Sea from Italy. Along the way, they scored a string of victories—defeating one of the strongest fighting forces in the country and swiftly crushing a local popular revolt.

Libya’s neighbors have become increasingly alarmed.

Tunisia closed its border with Libya for 15 days on Wednesday, the day after Islamic State claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing on a bus in the capital Tunis that killed 12 presidential guards.

Tunisia is also building a security wall along a third of that border to stem the flow of extremists between the countries. Two previous attacks in Tunisia this year that killed dozens of tourists were carried out by gunmen the government said were trained by Islamic State in Libya, which has recruited hundreds of Tunisians to its ranks.

This burgeoning operation in Libya shows how Islamic State is able to grow and adapt even as it is targeted by Russian, French and U.S.-led airstrikes in Syria as well as Kurdish and Iraqi ground assaults in Iraq.

On Thursday, nearly two weeks after Islamic State’s attacks on Paris, French President François Hollande and Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi met in the French capital where both said Europe must turn its attention to the militants’ rise in Libya. Mr. Renzi said Libya risks becoming the “next emergency” if it is not given priority.

In Libya, Islamic State has fended off challenges from government-aligned militias and called for recruits who have the technical know-how to put nearby oil facilities into operation. Libyan officials said they are worried it is only a matter of time before the radical fighters attempt to take over more oil fields and refineries near Sirte to boost their revenues—money that could fund attacks in the Middle East and Europe.

Sirte is a gateway to several major oil fields and refineries farther east on the same coast and Islamic State has targeted those installations in the past year.

“They have made their intentions clear,” said Ismail Shoukry, head of military intelligence for the region that includes Sirte. “They want to take their fight to Rome.”

Islamic State is benefiting from a conflict that has further weakened government control in Libya. For nearly a year, the U.S. and European powers have pointed to the Islamic State threat to press the rival governments to come to a power-sharing agreement. Despite a United Nations-brokered draft agreement for peace announced in October, neither side has taken steps to implement it.

An image taken from Aamaq News Agency, a YouTube channel that posts videos from areas under the Islamic State control, and provided courtesy of SITE Intelligence Group on June 9 allegedly shows a flag of the group flying on top of what they say is a power plant in the southern Libyan city of Sirte. ENLARGE
An image taken from Aamaq News Agency, a YouTube channel that posts videos from areas under the Islamic State control, and provided courtesy of SITE Intelligence Group on June 9 allegedly shows a flag of the group flying on top of what they say is a power plant in the southern Libyan city of Sirte.

A new U.N. envoy, Martin Kobler, was appointed this month to break the stalemate, part of efforts to find a political solution to counter the extremists’ expansion.

“We don’t have a real state. We have a fragmented government,” said Fathi Ali Bashaagha, a politician from the city of Misrata who participated in the U.N.-led negotiations. “Every day we delay on a political deal, it is a golden opportunity for Islamic State to grow.” ...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/islamic-state-entrenches-in-sirte-libya-1448798153

[galdur]

Well, destroying Lybia is turning out to be yet another success for those who are interested in creating fertile ground for terrorism to thrive in. In this case, primarily France, Britain and Italy but even dwarves like Norway and Denmark got to join in probably because political refuse from there was dumped into the usual NATO dumpster. I guess E.U. and U.N. dumpsters for politicians past their expiration date were full at the time.

I don´t think the U.S. military played a very meaningful part in the destruction of Lybia, it seemed to be more the usual CIA terrorism, drones and such. But of course the U.S. had a totally certifiable lunatic as a Secretary of State at the time and other fruitcakes of the same ilk working the United Nations, which was a big help in selling the whole scam to begin with. So it was more a marketing role for the U.S. part of NATO in this case.

[galdur]

ISIS is preparing a 'backup' capital in case its major center in Syria falls

As western countries ramp up strikes against ISIS's de-facto capital of Raqqa, Syria, the terrorist group is looking to Libya as a potential back-up option at which to base its operations, according to The New York Times.

While ISIS (also known as the Islamic State) has other affiliates throughout Africa and the Middle East that have pledged their allegiance to its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the group's branch in Sirte is the only one that ISIS central leadership directly controls.

The Wall Street Journal reports that ISIS leaders in Libya have reportedly adopted a slogan that reflects Sirte's heightened profile within the jihadist organization: "Sirte will be no less than Raqqa."

The Sirte affiliate is also much closer to western Europe than ISIS's territory in Syria and Iraq:



ISIS's influence in Sirte has been growing over the past year, as it has evolved into what The Times describes as an "actively managed colony" of the central group.

The growth has been swift — the Libya affiliate has gone from 200 fighters to about 5,000 since ISIS announced its branch there, The Journal reports. (The Times reports that Western put that estimate at 2,000 fighters.)

And Libya might be an ideal location for ISIS' fallback capital. The country lacks a functioning government and is rich in oil resources, which ISIS uses to finance its operations in Syria and Iraq, where it holds most of its territory.

Fathi Ali Bashaagha, a politician from Misrata, Libya, told The Journal: "We don’t have a real state. We have a fragmented government. Every day we delay on a political deal, it is a golden opportunity for Islamic State to grow."

Rival governments in Libya agreed to a draft peace accord in October, but so far it has not been implemented, according to The Journal.

As ISIS has accomplished in Syria and Iraq, the group is successfully exploiting "deep divisions" in Libya, according to The Journal. ISIS has encouraged sectarian hatred in Syria and Iraq to further divide the population and convince Sunni Muslims that they need ISIS to protect them from Shiites.

Also as it did when it started seizing territory in Iraq and Syria, ISIS might also have its sights set on expansion in Libya. Local and Western officials told The Times that recent attacks suggest that Ajdabiya, a city further to the east, could be the next area ISIS looks to seize. It would give the group control of nearby oil fields, according to The Times.

Another sign of ISIS' intentions in Libya comes with the people starting to suddenly appear in the North African country. Senior Iraqi leaders from ISIS are reportedly arriving from across the Mediterranean, which mimics how ISIS set up its base in Raqqa. The leaders of ISIS-controlled cities in Syria are predominantly Iraqi.

Sirte is also being governed like other ISIS-controlled cities in the Middle East. The group has reportedly set up propaganda "media points" in the city and started imposing its strict laws, like requiring women to wear Islamic veils in public and permitting public executions.

ISIS might already be using Sirte as a base for its operations in North Africa. Neighboring Tunisia has been hit with attacks from terrorists who trained in Libya, and Tunisia is now building a wall along its border to prevent extremists from easily crossing between the two countries, according to The Journal.

The group has also backed off of insisting that Muslims travel to Syria to join its Islamic "caliphate" and is now suggesting that recruits go to Libya instead, according to both The Times and The Journal.

But there are problems with ISIS' franchise in Sirte. While the group has tried to build up the city to mirror Raqqa — with bureaucratic buildings, a "police" force, and courts — ISIS is having a hard time meeting the basic needs of the population, according to The Journal. Gas stations and hospitals aren't functioning, and checkpoints make travel difficult.

As a civil engineer who recently fled told The Journal: "Sirte has gone dark."

http://uk.businessinsider.com/isis-sirte-libya-2015-11?r=US&IR=T

[bryant.coleman]

^^^^ So the ISIS nuts have conceded that Syria is lost. 

It is just a matter of time before they lose the cities of Raqqa and Mosul. The only question is who will be conquering these cities. For Raqqa, the competition will be between the Syrian Army and the YPG. Mosul will be contested between the Kurds and the Iraqi Army (backed up by the Iranian and local Shiite paramilitaries). 

[galdur]

^^^^ So the ISIS nuts have conceded that Syria is lost. 

It is just a matter of time before they lose the cities of Raqqa and Mosul. The only question is who will be conquering these cities. For Raqqa, the competition will be between the Syrian Army and the YPG. Mosul will be contested between the Kurds and the Iraqi Army (backed up by the Iranian and local Shiite paramilitaries). 

Well, it doesn´t look like western nutjobs are managing to drive those off who are actually trying to wipe out ISIS - the Russians - so now it´s focusing its efforts on the ruins of Lybia that were prepared for it. It was always eminently predictable.

[Blithe]

HOW THE WEST DESTROYED LIBYA
Western leaders should be “judged at the Hague, for atrocities against humanity.”

The full impact of Western intervention in Libya was recently highlighted during a televised interview of Worlds Apart with guest Hanne Nabintu Herland, a Norwegian author and historian who was born and raised in Africa for 20 years.

At one point while talking about Libya, Herland firmly asserted that:

In a just world, the political leaders in the West, that have done such atrocities towards other nations and other cultures, should have been sent to the Hague [International Criminal Court], and judged at the Hague, for atrocities against humanity.

Before that, the African-born, Norwegian author said:

Libya is the worst example of Western countries’ assault in modern history; it’s a horrible thing to be a European intellectual and to watch your own political leaders go ahead and engage in something like this.  In Norway, for example, when it comes to something like the Libyan war … [political leaders] sent MSM messages to the other people in parliament; it was never a discussion in parliament, it was an MSM saying “Let’s bomb because someone called from America.”  We [Norway] bombed 588 bombs over roads, and water, and cities in Libya at that time.  And we had a large documentary in Norway, after that, where the fighters, the pilots that flew over Libya and dropped these bombs, they actually said in the documentary that “We were sent up and we weren’t even told what to bomb—just bomb something that looks valuable."

Herland also pointed out that, according to UN figures, Gaddafi’s Libya was once the most prosperous nation in Africa. While Oksana Boyko, the host, sometimes disagreed with Herland, she agreed about the West’s counterproductive role, pointing out that Gaddafi “was very active in trying to advance women’s rights, he brought a lot of women into universities and the labor force [a thing few people in the West know, as usual, thanks to the “MSM”] and now what people and women in Libya are facing is Sharia [Islamic law], with the possibility of some of them being sold to ISIS fighters as virgin brides.”

Indeed, that the jihadis and other “ISIS” type militants gained the most from Western intervention in Libya cannot be denied.  Simply looking at the treatment of Christian minorities—the litmus test of the radicalization of any Muslim society—proves this.

[bryant.coleman]

Well, it doesn´t look like western nutjobs are managing to drive those off who are actually trying to wipe out ISIS - the Russians - so now it´s focusing its efforts on the ruins of Lybia that were prepared for it. It was always eminently predictable.

Hmm.... just coincidentally.... I noticed that there are a lot of similarities between both Syria and Libya. Before the NATO intervention, both these nations were economically well doing and staunchly secular. The NATO tried to overthrow both the regimes, and replace them with hardcore Islamist theocracies. They succeeded in Libya, but failed in Syria.

One more thing. I believe that there is a sinister plot to turn the European continent to Eurabia. The ongoing civil wars in Syria and Libya might be a part of that tactic. Merkel wants to increase the German Muslim population to 20 million in 2020, from the current figure of 4 million.

[galdur]

(CNN)A report released on Tuesday by a United Nations monitoring group examining terrorist groups in Libya warns ISIS has built up a significant presence in Libya and could further expand the territory it controls through local alliances, but will likely face a number of challenges and constraints in the months ahead.

Outside Syria and Iraq, Libya has proved to the most promising ground for ISIS expansion with the group entrenching its control of the former Gadhafi stronghold of Sirte in recent months and over a hundred miles of coastline bordering the city. The group also retains a presence in eastern Libya where it is in a pitched contest with al Qaeda affiliated groups......

[galdur]

The Islamic State is training to fly planes in its stronghold in the northern coastal city of Sirte, an Arab newspaper reported on Wednesday.

The terrorist group is using at least one flight simulator, which may have been seized from the country’s airports, according to Libyan military sources quoted in the Asharq al-Awsat report.

“It’s a modern simulator, which may have arrived from abroad,” other sources stated.

A senior unnamed official, whose job is to track Islamic State activity in the country, told the newspaper that there is intelligence about their fighters training to fly civilian planes. The source added that the Libyan air force unsuccessfully attempted to take out at least one base where this training is occurring. ...

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/ISIS-Threat/Report-ISIS-in-Libya-training-to-fly-planes-436165