Religious Orientation

[bleedkira]

Where you there? Do you know what really happened? You are rather quick to dismiss things which no one has a way of proving or disproving.

So your proof that it did happen that way is that he can't disprove that it didn't happen that way? Some great logic there.

Anyways, I'm new to this thread and I'm an atheist and I pull somewhat from Buddhist teachings as well.

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[foxcartier]

Where you there? Do you know what really happened? You are rather quick to dismiss things which no one has a way of proving or disproving.

So your proof that it did happen that way is that he can't disprove that it didn't happen that way? Some great logic there.

I think so, in the end either everything came from something or everything came from nothing. I can't prove my beliefs and I'm pretty confident that atheists don't have concrete evidence in their theories of how everything came into existence.

[nostrum]

I think so, in the end either everything came from something or everything came from nothing. I can't prove my beliefs and I'm pretty confident that atheists don't have concrete evidence in their theories of how everything came into existence.

The important thing is that we keep trying to figure things out in the most efficient way possible.
We might never now everything but our knowledge is growing exponentially every day.

[BombaUcigasa]

I think so, in the end either everything came from something or everything came from nothing. I can't prove my beliefs and I'm pretty confident that atheists don't have concrete evidence in their theories of how everything came into existence.

So you're saying the religious view is that everything came from nothing? Pretty strong belief you got there...

[Marlsfarp]

I am basically an atheist, but I put "other" just to avoid semantic traps. I don't believe in anything that I call "god," but it is certainly possible to define "god" in such a way that I would believe in "him" (the universe, natural law, etc.) And I've found that oftentimes the definition of "god" used is so logically incoherent that it would be wrong to say I don't believe in it, as that would imply an actual concept to negate. Rather, they are "not even wrong," and literally speaking nonsense.

[nostrum]

I am basically an atheist, but I put "other" just to avoid semantic traps. I don't believe in anything that I call "god," but it is certainly possible to define "god" in such a way that I would believe in "him" (the universe, natural law, etc.) And I've found that oftentimes the definition of "god" used is so logically incoherent that it would be wrong to say I don't believe in it, as that would imply an actual concept to negate. Rather, they are "not even wrong," and literally speaking nonsense.

So you are somewhere in between atheist and pantheist?

[foxcartier]

I think so, in the end either everything came from something or everything came from nothing. I can't prove my beliefs and I'm pretty confident that atheists don't have concrete evidence in their theories of how everything came into existence.

So you're saying the religious view is that everything came from nothing? Pretty strong belief you got there...

No, everything came from something.

[BombaUcigasa]

I think so, in the end either everything came from something or everything came from nothing. I can't prove my beliefs and I'm pretty confident that atheists don't have concrete evidence in their theories of how everything came into existence.

So you're saying the religious view is that everything came from nothing? Pretty strong belief you got there...

No, everything came from something.

Ok. What did the Universe come from?

[Anonymous]

I think so, in the end either everything came from something or everything came from nothing. I can't prove my beliefs and I'm pretty confident that atheists don't have concrete evidence in their theories of how everything came into existence.

So you're saying the religious view is that everything came from nothing? Pretty strong belief you got there...

No, everything came from something.

Ok. What did the Universe come from?

Nobody knows. It doesn't fucking matter. Enjoy your life and stop praising nonsensical ideas of where you think everything may of started.

[BombaUcigasa]

I think so, in the end either everything came from something or everything came from nothing. I can't prove my beliefs and I'm pretty confident that atheists don't have concrete evidence in their theories of how everything came into existence.

So you're saying the religious view is that everything came from nothing? Pretty strong belief you got there...

No, everything came from something.

Ok. What did the Universe come from?

Nobody knows. It doesn't fucking matter. Enjoy your life and stop praising nonsensical ideas of where you think everything may of started.

I would but some people call me stupid because they red the answer in a single book, and all the answers I read in several books, that can be tested right now, and provide actual design work and functionality description, appear to be incorrect? Am I wrong, am I ignorant? I need to know....

What did the Universe come from, Mr religious man?

[foxcartier]

Nobody knows. It doesn't fucking matter. Enjoy your life and stop praising nonsensical ideas of where you think everything may of started.

[foxcartier]

What did the Universe come from, Mr religious man?

*Insert Chuck Norris joke here*

[dayfall]

I think so, in the end either everything came from something or everything came from nothing. I can't prove my beliefs and I'm pretty confident that atheists don't have concrete evidence in their theories of how everything came into existence.

Concrete evidence?  Well we do have order from chaos.  That is easy to show. (and the occurrence of which leads to many superstitions.)  Energy to matter.  This is widely believed.  Duality of particles.  That gives us a lot of something from a little something.  And dark energy gives the initial building block.  A godless creation is plausible and satisfies Occam's razor.  Hence, there is no logical reason to postulate an extrauniversal being for the universe existing.

Proof only works for mathematicians.  In my experience, the only other people that talk of proof is children and people that think lack of proof is an argument. 

I wonder where all these gods come from?  Who made them the way they are?  Who made them so mean and absent looking?  Who made them want to make us?

I often wonder why people believe the ultimate god is the one that made us.  Why not a deity, that was itself created, make us.  People seem so certain.  How do they think they can even know such a thing?

[BombaUcigasa]

I wonder where all these gods come from?  Who made them the way they are?  Who made them so mean and absent looking?  Who made them want to make us?

I often wonder why people believe the ultimate god is the one that made us.  Why not a deity, that was itself created, make us.  People seem so certain.  How do they think they can even know such a thing?

It's gods all the way down...

[foxcartier]

Concrete evidence?  Well we do have order from chaos.  That is easy to show. (and the occurrence of which leads to many superstitions.)  Energy to matter.  This is widely believed.  Duality of particles.  That gives us a lot of something from a little something.  And dark energy gives the initial building block.  A godless creation is plausible and satisfies Occam's razor.  Hence, there is no logical reason to postulate an extrauniversal being for the universe existing.

I'm not going to pretend I even understand how scientists begin to justify the beginning of the universe without a creator, I don't have a Phd. What I do know is common sense, the complexity of life that exists today and how it could be generated from dark energy and chaos doesn't make sense to me.

Proof only works for mathematicians.  In my experience, the only other people that talk of proof is children and people that think lack of proof is an argument. 

Alright well what are the laws and theories that can justify your view... is that better?

I wonder where all these gods come from?  Who made them the way they are?  Who made them so mean and absent looking?  Who made them want to make us?

God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him.

How do they think they can even know such a thing?

And that is where faith enters the equation.

[dayfall]

I'm not going to pretend I even understand how scientists begin to justify the beginning of the universe without a creator, I don't have a Phd. What I do know is common sense, the complexity of life that exists today and how it could be generated from dark energy and chaos doesn't make sense to me.

Sounds like you don't want to try to understand. 

Alright well what are the laws and theories that can justify your view... is that better?

Not by much.  Beware of justification bias.  What I call Thinkology.

God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him.

Nice story.  You base this on what?

And that is where faith enters the equation.

Why do you think faith is in anyway moral?  Faith is saying you know when you don't.  It is all arrogance and lies.

[foxcartier]

Sounds like you don't want to try to understand. 

I'm always opened minded, but when someone posts a link to a scientific formula or theorem that is grounded in complex mathematical algorithms, I'm not going to waste my time to try to begin to understand.

Nice story.  You base this on what?

Any religion out there has some sort of text or explanation as to who their divine being is, I'd say that's a connection. Specifically Christianity the God described there wants a highly personal relationship with each individual.

The basic instinct that has been shown over human's history is it's need to think of something super natural to worship, it's almost like it's been programmed into us I'd say. But I'm sure you'd just say this is man's attempt at trying to explain things that were outside our understanding and in today's modern age we are so advanced that we no longer need a God to explain the universe around us.

Why do you think faith is in anyway moral?  Faith is saying you know when you don't.  It is all arrogance and lies.

Life is full of mystery that needs faith to some degree. If it helps my functionality to behave in a moral sense why would it be bad?

[nostrum]

I'm not going to pretend I even understand how scientists begin to justify the beginning of the universe without a creator, I don't have a Phd. What I do know is common sense, the complexity of life that exists today and how it could be generated from dark energy and chaos doesn't make sense to me.

What is common sense to you?

[asdf]

I am basically an atheist, but I put "other" just to avoid semantic traps. I don't believe in anything that I call "god," but it is certainly possible to define "god" in such a way that I would believe in "him" (the universe, natural law, etc.) And I've found that oftentimes the definition of "god" used is so logically incoherent that it would be wrong to say I don't believe in it, as that would imply an actual concept to negate. Rather, they are "not even wrong," and literally speaking nonsense.

So you are somewhere in between atheist and pantheist?

Lol! If that was a joke, it was awesome :-)

[asdf]

Why do you guys think that the universe was created/had a beginning? Seems like a pretty bold assumption....

why?