Ron Paul: ‘NATO’s an Entangling Alliance We’d Be Better Off Without’

[Nemo1024]

The guy should definitely learn history, or at least stop spreading disinformation.
USA joined the fray only once it became apparent that Soviet Union was winning. All previous pleas for help were ignored by Roosevelt and Churchill for years before that.

Some materials that he can get, is from Oliver Stone's "The Untold History of the United States".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsYOrrgTDyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc_eaoOlnDg&list=PL7Eup7JXScZw9lBPjB6ind_x11uAnI52G

And about "couldn't take England":

“The fact is that the situation was critical in the extreme. …The majority of the squadrons had been reduced to the status of training units, and were fit only for operations against unescorted bombers. … Replacement pilots, with little flight training and often no gunnery training, suffered high casualty rates thus exacerbating the problem.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain#cite_ref-88) – (http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/battle-of-britain-in-the-words-of-air-chief-marshal-hugh-dowding.html/2)
“By the beginning of September the incidence of casualties became so serious that a fresh squadron would become depleted and exhausted before any of the resting and reforming squadrons was ready to take its place. Fighter pilots were no longer being produced in numbers sufficient to fill the gaps in the fighting ranks.” (http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/battle-of-britain-in-the-words-of-air-chief-marshal-hugh-dowding.html/7)
The arrival of foreign squadrons (1 Canadian, 2 Polish and 1 Czech) helped a little, but what really saved Britain was that the Germans were discouraged by their unexpected losses, which led them to think they had underestimated the Brits – or overestimated their own strength. Seeing he could not “immediately establish his “air superiority” on this front, Hitler decided to “postpone” “Operation Sea Lion” and instead, redeploy all his forces to the eastern front, where where he was being “mauled and broken and slaughtered and manhandled by the strength of the Russian Soviet Armies.”
In the words of Dowding: “Serious as were our difficulties, …those of the enemy were worse, and by the end of October the Germans abandoned their attempts to wear down the Fighter Command, and the country was delivered from the threat of immediate invasion.” (http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/battle-of-britain-in-the-words-of-air-chief-marshal-hugh-dowding.html/2)

One thing that I agree with Pentax, is that USA should stop systematic interventionism. In 99% of cases it was not wanted and carried characteristics of a fire-fighter that first played an arsonist role so as to keep himself in the job. Even with WWII, let's say that grandpa Bush made a fortune there, in the financing of the Third Reich.

[BitMos]

The guy should definitely learn history, or at least stop spreading disinformation.
USA joined the fray only once it became apparent that Soviet Union was winning. All previous pleas for help were ignored by Roosevelt and Churchill for years before that.

Some materials that he can get, is from Oliver Stone's "The Untold History of the United States".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsYOrrgTDyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc_eaoOlnDg&list=PL7Eup7JXScZw9lBPjB6ind_x11uAnI52G

And about "couldn't take England":

“The fact is that the situation was critical in the extreme. …The majority of the squadrons had been reduced to the status of training units, and were fit only for operations against unescorted bombers. … Replacement pilots, with little flight training and often no gunnery training, suffered high casualty rates thus exacerbating the problem.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain#cite_ref-88) – (http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/battle-of-britain-in-the-words-of-air-chief-marshal-hugh-dowding.html/2)
“By the beginning of September the incidence of casualties became so serious that a fresh squadron would become depleted and exhausted before any of the resting and reforming squadrons was ready to take its place. Fighter pilots were no longer being produced in numbers sufficient to fill the gaps in the fighting ranks.” (http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/battle-of-britain-in-the-words-of-air-chief-marshal-hugh-dowding.html/7)
The arrival of foreign squadrons (1 Canadian, 2 Polish and 1 Czech) helped a little, but what really saved Britain was that the Germans were discouraged by their unexpected losses, which led them to think they had underestimated the Brits – or overestimated their own strength. Seeing he could not “immediately establish his “air superiority” on this front, Hitler decided to “postpone” “Operation Sea Lion” and instead, redeploy all his forces to the eastern front, where where he was being “mauled and broken and slaughtered and manhandled by the strength of the Russian Soviet Armies.”
In the words of Dowding: “Serious as were our difficulties, …those of the enemy were worse, and by the end of October the Germans abandoned their attempts to wear down the Fighter Command, and the country was delivered from the threat of immediate invasion.” (http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/battle-of-britain-in-the-words-of-air-chief-marshal-hugh-dowding.html/2)

One thing that I agree with Pentax, is that USA should stop systematic interventionism. In 99% of cases it was not wanted and carried characteristics of a fire-fighter that first played an arsonist role so as to keep himself in the job. Even with WWII, let's say that grandpa Bush made a fortune there, in the financing of the Third Reich.

just read the first line, they can't, the American aristocracy did everything necessary to dumb them down so much that chimps learn faster. so forget, it's naïve, like yeltsin... when a monkey want to rape your daughter what do you? me, I kill all this specie of monkey, innocent, young, old, far, all of them. and the risk is gone. zeroed.

edit: one reason they waited (apart from scaling the war debt) was to get the maximum Soviets killed... a better world, without them skimming the cream... ahahaha... Don't worry it's a very kind intention from your part Nemo. it's a forum it's perfect. on the bf : nm4sh (subhuman).

[Pentax]

Then don't make it out that the Russians were meaningless in the war just beacause it disagrees with your sense of American superiority.

  yeah, and who grinded the Nazis.  Maybe if someone over there could've handled their shit then we could've sat that mess out too.

I hope I don't have to bring up how in your civil war that founded the United States the French played a big role in it and even gave you the statue of liberty, but of course, you guys all went in going "Fuck yeah 'murica!" and shot at everybody with muskets according to your logic.

Again, I did not.  your continuing to say it is so does not make it fact. go back and read my earlier replies  if you have to.  

I did not state, or impart in any way, that they did not take their pound of flesh out of Hitler's ass.  In fact I stated clearly otherwise that this attack on the Soviet Union was, IMO, a massive mistake on Hitler's part- and not because I thought the Soviet Union donated free vodka in celebration of their showing up unannounced on their door-steppe (pun very much intended) and the Nazis ended up drunk and lost somewhere around Leningrad and hence couldn't finish it off for some 2 and a half years, cause the party was just that rockin good.

Obviously this stretched the Nazis too thin and cost both sides massive losses.  

That is not to say, however, that I am in any way convinced that the Nazis would have been in any way able to come here to kick our asses had not this happened.  Is it possible?  I guess so, it just does not seem in keeping the relative capabilities of the Germans vis a vis the Americans at that point in history.

And thanks to the French.  They've been repaid,  I think they'd agree.  It is a very nice statue.

[Pentax]

The guy should definitely learn history, or at least stop spreading disinformation.
USA joined the fray only once it became apparent that Soviet Union was winning. All previous pleas for help were ignored by Roosevelt and Churchill for years before that.

Some materials that he can get, is from Oliver Stone's "The Untold History of the United States".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsYOrrgTDyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc_eaoOlnDg&list=PL7Eup7JXScZw9lBPjB6ind_x11uAnI52G

And about "couldn't take England":

“The fact is that the situation was critical in the extreme. …The majority of the squadrons had been reduced to the status of training units, and were fit only for operations against unescorted bombers. … Replacement pilots, with little flight training and often no gunnery training, suffered high casualty rates thus exacerbating the problem.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain#cite_ref-88) – (http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/battle-of-britain-in-the-words-of-air-chief-marshal-hugh-dowding.html/2)
“By the beginning of September the incidence of casualties became so serious that a fresh squadron would become depleted and exhausted before any of the resting and reforming squadrons was ready to take its place. Fighter pilots were no longer being produced in numbers sufficient to fill the gaps in the fighting ranks.” (http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/battle-of-britain-in-the-words-of-air-chief-marshal-hugh-dowding.html/7)
The arrival of foreign squadrons (1 Canadian, 2 Polish and 1 Czech) helped a little, but what really saved Britain was that the Germans were discouraged by their unexpected losses, which led them to think they had underestimated the Brits – or overestimated their own strength. Seeing he could not “immediately establish his “air superiority” on this front, Hitler decided to “postpone” “Operation Sea Lion” and instead, redeploy all his forces to the eastern front, where where he was being “mauled and broken and slaughtered and manhandled by the strength of the Russian Soviet Armies.”
In the words of Dowding: “Serious as were our difficulties, …those of the enemy were worse, and by the end of October the Germans abandoned their attempts to wear down the Fighter Command, and the country was delivered from the threat of immediate invasion.” (http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/battle-of-britain-in-the-words-of-air-chief-marshal-hugh-dowding.html/2)

One thing that I agree with Pentax, is that USA should stop systematic interventionism. In 99% of cases it was not wanted and carried characteristics of a fire-fighter that first played an arsonist role so as to keep himself in the job. Even with WWII, let's say that grandpa Bush made a fortune there, in the financing of the Third Reich.

yeah, either that or the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, leaving no choice.

And I should learn history.

good grief.

[jaysabi]

The guy should definitely learn history, or at least stop spreading disinformation.
USA joined the fray only once it became apparent that Soviet Union was winning. All previous pleas for help were ignored by Roosevelt and Churchill for years before that.

Japan attacks Pearl Harbor, US declares war on Japan, Germany declares war on US, US declares war on Germany. This sequence of events doesn't support your indication the US got involved only once it became apparent the USSR was winning. The US joined the European fray because Germany declared war on the US.