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August 27, 2012, 07:40:12 AM
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what category the "go .... yourself" argument belongs to?
That's a command, not an argument. The arguments (if any) accompanying such a command are usually fallacious (but not always - there are more than a few members of this forum who enjoy hurling abuse and sound logic in equal measure, which is always entertaining to watch).

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August 27, 2012, 09:33:57 AM
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While I don't disagree with your observations, this isn't a formal debate forum and people posting here aren't writing a thesis to be challenged or peer reviewed. I wonder whether there'd be any interest in a formal debate sub-forum.  Internet Infidels used to have one and it reduced a lot of frustration for everyone.

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August 27, 2012, 09:45:35 AM
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While I don't disagree with your observations, this isn't a formal debate forum and people posting here aren't writing a thesis to be challenged or peer reviewed. I wonder whether there'd be any interest in a formal debate sub-forum.  Internet Infidels used to have one and it reduced a lot of frustration for everyone.

Isn't that what the Politics forum is for? Wink

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August 27, 2012, 09:48:31 AM
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The pirateat40's opponents have called this BS and reasonably asserted that pirate is running a ponzi scheme based on logical reasoning and common sense.

Please explain to me how this statement is remotely objective in any sense whatsoever. "reasonably"? "common sense"?
It is the only possibility known that explains all the available evidence. If you know of another possible explanation, please tell us what it is.

When you have a set of facts, one explanation that covers them perfectly, that has always been the correct explanation for that set of facts, no other explanation is known, and people who would know another explanation if there is one refuse to provide one, that is sufficient to accept the explanation.

I turn on my light switch and my light comes on. I accept the explanation that electricity from the power company made it come on. That has always been the explanation before. And that case is even weaker, because I can think of other possible explanations. Someone might have disconnected by house from the grid and powered it by generator. Of course, nobody has any reason to do that. Nobody has done that before.

This is logical reasoning and common sense. It is more than sufficient for accepting an explanation under ordinary circumstances. (Those where nobody has a vested interest in convincing others or themselves that the obviously true is not true.)

I'll try not to respond further about this in this thread, since there are already 800 threads about that and this thread is about something else.

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August 27, 2012, 09:53:04 AM
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While I don't disagree with your observations, this isn't a formal debate forum and people posting here aren't writing a thesis to be challenged or peer reviewed. I wonder whether there'd be any interest in a formal debate sub-forum.  Internet Infidels used to have one and it reduced a lot of frustration for everyone.

I would hope that a formal debate board wasn't necessary to have a logical conversation with someone.

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August 27, 2012, 10:31:43 AM
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While I don't disagree with your observations, this isn't a formal debate forum and people posting here aren't writing a thesis to be challenged or peer reviewed. I wonder whether there'd be any interest in a formal debate sub-forum.  Internet Infidels used to have one and it reduced a lot of frustration for everyone.

I would hope that a formal debate board wasn't necessary to have a logical conversation with someone.

It would be nice to have some means of keeping the logical discussions separate from the threads where people really just want to vent or ramble, though.  As in real life, not all conversations need to have some higher purpose or be intellectual - it would just be nice if those discussions where people do want a higher level of discourse didn't get derailed by people who just want to dribble bullshit.

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August 27, 2012, 10:39:00 AM
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While I don't disagree with your observations, this isn't a formal debate forum and people posting here aren't writing a thesis to be challenged or peer reviewed. I wonder whether there'd be any interest in a formal debate sub-forum.  Internet Infidels used to have one and it reduced a lot of frustration for everyone.

I would hope that a formal debate board wasn't necessary to have a logical conversation with someone.

It would be nice to have some means of keeping the logical discussions separate from the threads where people really just want to vent or ramble, though.  As in real life, not all conversations need to have some higher purpose or be intellectual - it would just be nice if those discussions where people do want a higher level of discourse didn't get derailed by people who just want to dribble bullshit.

This has nothing to do with a higher level of discourse. Any forum member who makes some kind of earnest claim should expect to defend that claim.

Just my preference, but I'd rather have "Let's dribble bullshit" boards, and try to keep the rest of the forum discussions.

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August 27, 2012, 10:41:58 AM
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Just my preference, but I'd rather have "Let's dribble bullshit" boards, and try to keep the rest of the forum discussions.

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August 27, 2012, 02:15:24 PM
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It's nice to see that there are people who value logic and reason in an 'everyday' context. I feel such values can only benefit the community (or any community for that matter).

To aid this cause, I've noticed that appreciate a certain look and feel of websites, so I submit http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

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August 27, 2012, 05:16:55 PM
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Just my preference, but I'd rather have "Let's dribble bullshit" boards, and try to keep the rest of the forum discussions.

This.

Unfortunately, I don't suspect anyone would ever put their threads in a "Let's Dribble BS" board. Most people consider themselves logical, whether they are or not.

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August 27, 2012, 05:59:56 PM
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Just my preference, but I'd rather have "Let's dribble bullshit" boards, and try to keep the rest of the forum discussions.

This.

Unfortunately, I don't suspect anyone would ever put their threads in a "Let's Dribble BS" board. Most people consider themselves logical, whether they are or not.

And that's where the moderators come in. Wink

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