Vod became a threat to the stability of the forum

[ajareselde]

Vod certainly has gotten on people's nerves with his actions, but i have never seen anyone that got burned if he/she didn't deserve it in some way.
He says he's not a cop, but on this forum he sure is closest to that title, and if it was up to me i would hire him as staff, because without people like him this forum would be hackforums v2.

It takes guts to stand up to wrongdoing, especially when higher ranked members are involved, but Vod doesnt care; im confident that if even Theymos himself tried something unethical, Vod would
be the first one to flag him, and then back off to licking his boob..
If anything, he deserves more credit than what he's getting, but that's just my opinion.

cheers

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[TECSHARE]

Vod certainly has gotten on people's nerves with his actions, but i have never seen anyone that got burned if he/she didn't deserve it in some way.
He says he's not a cop, but on this forum he sure is closest to that title, and if it was up to me i would hire him as staff, because without people like him this forum would be hackforums v2.

It takes guts to stand up to wrongdoing, especially when higher ranked members are involved, but Vod doesnt care; im confident that if even Theymos himself tried something unethical, Vod would
be the first one to flag him, and then back off to licking his boob..
If anything, he deserves more credit than what he's getting, but that's just my opinion.

cheers

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

[Bicknellski]

FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.

Vod for Global Moderator !

It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.

[Xian01]

FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !

It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.

Nobody is perfect. I have to think the dude means well.

[Bicknellski]

FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !

It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.

Nobody is perfect. I have to think the dude means well.

He might... and so might those complaining about him. Catch 22.

There is always more unseen than seen in these all or nothing propositions that get argued here. For me more concerned with some of these accounts just off view just purchased carrying out these crimes.

[TECSHARE]

FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !

It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.

Nobody is perfect. I have to think the dude means well.

Why do you have to?

[jc01480]

FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !

It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.

Nobody is perfect. I have to think the dude means well.

Why do you have to?

I could support VOD if there was a clearly identified impartial body that had the final decision of the outcome, whether it merely be a negative rep. remark or outright banishment.  But one person acting as cop, judge, jury, and executioner flies in the face of civic processes.  Fix that and unleash the VOD to patrol the nether-webs all you care to.  As long as a system exists with due process for both sides.

Piece of cake.  Random members can serve in a jury pool consisting of members representative of all levels, new and old.  Hell, why don't I just set that up for you kids real quick...

[Xian01]

FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.
Vod for Global Moderator !

It is the "not" part that seems to be the point here Xian.

Nobody is perfect. I have to think the dude means well.

Why do you have to?

Based on my superficial view of his posts in the random threads I come across, he seems rather adept at uncovering scams and unsavory characters that mean to harm or defraud this community.

[SebastianJu]

Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from.  There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales.  Just look at the TOS

Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx

If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above  you could prove it's legal.  But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.

Though what Microsoft wants and what they legally can want sometimes are different things. I dont know how its the case in this case here but with windows 7 oem and lower they lost at courts in germany when they wanted to forbid the resale of the win 7 serial codes. They claimed they sold them together with the hardware and they dont want them to be sold.

Court said that they can be sold of course. Nobody can forbid you to sell your property.

Then MS started to put the serial code for windows oem into the motherboard. Starting from windows 8. If you now break your mainboard then you cant verify your windows anymore. Except you buy a new mainboard from the supplier you got your pc from. If you have a notebook you have further problems since exchanging a notebook mainboard is not so easy.

[SellMaster3000]

Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from.  There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales.  Just look at the TOS

Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx

If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above  you could prove it's legal.  But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.

Though what Microsoft wants and what they legally can want sometimes are different things. I dont know how its the case in this case here but with windows 7 oem and lower they lost at courts in germany when they wanted to forbid the resale of the win 7 serial codes. They claimed they sold them together with the hardware and they dont want them to be sold.

Court said that they can be sold of course. Nobody can forbid you to sell your property.

Then MS started to put the serial code for windows oem into the motherboard. Starting from windows 8. If you now break your mainboard then you cant verify your windows anymore. Except you buy a new mainboard from the supplier you got your pc from. If you have a notebook you have further problems since exchanging a notebook mainboard is not so easy.

Thank you for clarifying the difference between what MS wants and what is illegal.

The jury thing, it's just like American Jury Duty. Everybody hates it.

[Grand_Voyageur]

Just incase he does not understand the stolen part it's Microsoft OP chances are is stealing from.  There is no such thing as a MSDN account that allows sales.  Just look at the TOS

Your not allowed to:rent, lease, lend, resell, transfer, or sublicense any Services or portion thereof to or for third parties, except as explicitly permitted herein or in license terms that accompany any Services component;

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/cc300389.aspx

If you show license terms that Microsoft is allowing you to somehow do the above  you could prove it's legal.  But I personally have not seen this ever. The selling of keys killed Microsoft Technet.

Though what Microsoft wants and what they legally can want sometimes are different things. I dont know how its the case in this case here but with windows 7 oem and lower they lost at courts in germany when they wanted to forbid the resale of the win 7 serial codes. They claimed they sold them together with the hardware and they dont want them to be sold.

Court said that they can be sold of course. Nobody can forbid you to sell your property.

Then MS started to put the serial code for windows oem into the motherboard. Starting from windows 8. If you now break your mainboard then you cant verify your windows anymore. Except you buy a new mainboard from the supplier you got your pc from. If you have a notebook you have further problems since exchanging a notebook mainboard is not so easy.

Every case is different. As an example in Italy we had courts rulings saying it may amount to a misdemeanour some saying it may amount to a felony and others handing out only lesser administrative penalties. IMO a better solutions would be to leave a neutral feedback; however, if Vod have a really strong, firm, reason to consider OP a Scammer he have all the rights to leave him a -ve trust feedback!

[Quickseller]

I honestly don't agree with Vod's policy on MSDN sellers however I don't think this consistent troll fest against Vod is appropriate.

You really need to look at the bigger picture when trolling Vod.

This is an example of why it is a bad idea to put a lot of effort into calling out scammers. It is a thankless thing to do and all you get is personal attacks and people making up crazy, false accusations against you whose sole point is to get them to stop preventing scammers from being able to scam in the future.

[redsn0w]

FWIW, in my experience, if you've made it onto Vod's radar, more-oft-than-not, it's deserving due to some sort of unsavory behavior perpetrated against this community.

Vod for Global Moderator !

Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.


However I do not think sell MSDN key is illegal, illegal has another meaning.

I honestly don't agree with Vod's policy on MSDN sellers however I don't think this consistent troll fest against Vod is appropriate.

You really need to look at the bigger picture when trolling Vod.

This is an example of why it is a bad idea to put a lot of effort into calling out scammers. It is a thankless thing to do and all you get is personal attacks and people making up crazy, false accusations against you whose sole point is to get them to stop preventing scammers from being able to scam in the future.

Exactly, everyone can 'make' an error...

[Vod]

Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.

Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.   

[Bicknellski]

Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.

Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.   

None is being offered.

[Vod]

Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.

Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.   

None is being offered.

None is being accepted. 

[SellMaster3000]

Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.

Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.   

None is being offered.

None is being accepted. 

You sure act like you're a moderator though.

[Bicknellski]

Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.

Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.   

None is being offered.

None is being accepted. 

None was ever offered.

[dogie]

Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.

Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.   

None is being offered.

None is being accepted. 

None was ever offered.

He said "would not", not "am not" or "will not".

[Vod]

Awesome, I also would like Vod as Global Moderator.

Thanks for the support guys, but I would not accept any position of authority on this forum.   

None is being offered.

None is being accepted. 

None was ever offered.

You are correct Bicknellski!  None was ever offered or would be accepted.