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May 01, 2015, 03:02:02 AM
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I already seen peep be selling the trust even posting threads asking if its ok to sell trust because he is on the default trust list. Its absurd that this is happening especially with theymos having so much money to make a better forum and stop all the scamming. -10btc to anyone who buys or sells trust, thats just fucked up man.
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May 01, 2015, 08:38:57 AM
Last edit: May 01, 2015, 09:38:45 AM by Bicknellski
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Since you asked, I figure I would trust you with around 1.5-1.75 BTC, unless you have personal issues with me, in which case I'd trust you with 1 BTC or a bit less. And damn, your feedback page isn't pretty. I didn't see many claims that had anything to do with your financial trustworthiness, but damn do you have a lot of enemies. How many enemies someone has is also worth noting.

I've been in the Bitcoin scene for quite a while, you don't need to worry about me. I've never been scammed, because I've calculated trustworthiness to a near perfect science. Self interest my friends, people won't go against their own self interest, unless there are other motives towards screwing you over, which is how I factored that I'd trust you with less if I was one of your enemies (I'm not as far as I know).

*edit* Btw bick, you could probably ask to get your negative trust spam removed. The people with 100 negative ratings for you in the form of poems and stories actually make it difficult to read. Pretty sure that falls under the trust spam category that you could ask to have removed.

No issues "personally" with anyone really as I have met very few people in these forums to make that sort of assessment. For only seeing me from forum posts 1.5 to 1.75BTC sounds like a fair start heheheh. Only person I met that I have problem with is Josh Zerlan. We all know why he is not to be trusted. The others I am at war with are circumspect basing on how they attempt to manipulate consumers or support those who manipulate consumers here in these forums.

The more enemies the better given the lack of ethics for some of these people I will gladly wear red from each of them 100x over as the spam indicates. It is a badge of honor to me and I'd rather it be left there so when I am proven right it hangs there as a reminder. Look hard at Marto74 and Loshia as an example of being proven right in the longer term. Fraudster and shill symbiotic relations there all clearly documented still in the trust ratings.

I posted a thread about the trust spam and nothing was done, Dogie was slammed with the same spam and nothing was done. I don't care really my business / profession doesn't hinge on this trust system at all and any dealings in this space I am certain if asked I would never hold 80K USD again given what Avalon did with the chips I had weeks of sleepless nights till that was resolved and I got coins back in the rightful owners hands and I was relieved. Ugg never again. Within my field of education I am well respected with hardly anyone you would call an enemy at most adversaries and even then that is pushing it as I often train my direct competitors to be better educators.

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As for the Trust System being able to balance itself out or self regulate sort of mentality, I don't agree with that entirely, and there have been some discussions on how to better the system hopefully those discussions lead somewhere but for me it will NEVER trust anyone unless I am willing to lose 100% of what I put in. Currently my foray into BTC mining is a net loss. BTC purchases net gain. Overall even. I know risk. I have seen reward and loss.

Personally those in the default need to be more proactive in verifying any person they add and I mean VERIFY who the hell they are not just based on past reputation in dealing within the forum. Most of the recent issues with Default Trust have stemmed from unvetted people abusing it. Something with Quickseller stinks to high heaven I don't really like anyone that is completely anonymous being on the default trust too many ways to abuse the system in that way.


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May 01, 2015, 02:14:09 PM
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The default trust system is what you make of it. Should anyone trust anyone who they don't personally trust? Absolutely not. Default trust isn't about who is trustworthy, its about who is trustworthy to leave accurate feedback for others. An absolute scumbag could be on default trust, as long as they leave people accurate feedback. Feedback for someone does not mean they should be trusted, and the only difference between trusted/untrusted feedback, is "trusted" is where newbies or anyone for that matter should begin investigations before trading. I certainly don't trust everyone on default trust, nor should anyone.

People get too caught up using the green or red numbers as 100% absolute scores which is rediculous. The only thing that default trust does, is creates a group of people to oversee their own feedback. All that does is discourages trust spam, as it holds members to community created standards. I could count probably 10 people on default trust that hold any additional weight to their feedback over anyone else in my opinion. No offense to Dooglus for example, but although he is on default trust, I have never dealt with him personally, nor do I know anything about his character/logic/rationale so I wouldn't trust his feedback implicitly any more than I would anyone's. A two post newbie that has a feasible claim, a reference link, and an explanation of the situation is more valuable than a default trust member's feedback with fewer details. Its a good guideline for newbies who have absolutely no impressions of anyone, but anyone who has been around for years has seen individual's business practices, they have had interactions with other members, and can judge things for what they are, on a case by case basis.

I don't really have any impression of all of the quickseller threads. Thread volume and complaints means very little to me by itself, and I haven't read the claims to fact check. If its valid, Badbear will remove him from default trust, or things will be resolved. The funny thing is, if you tag 20 people as scammers, 19 of which actually are, and then they band together to make 10 threads about how corrupt you are, its not going to look too good. People on default trust are supposed to be able to read through the BS while not missing actual issues. Hopefully anyway.
 
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May 01, 2015, 07:11:11 PM
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Well you can leave someone a positive trust feedback as long as you deem the user as a trustworthy one or you completed a trade with him/her. Loans aren't different. Also, why do you care on how those loans were used? It should be none of your business after all. But I partly agree that somehow, the trust rating is being abused.

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May 05, 2015, 05:57:24 AM
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Well you can leave someone a positive trust feedback as long as you deem the user as a trustworthy one or you completed a trade with him/her. Loans aren't different. Also, why do you care on how those loans were used? It should be none of your business after all. But I partly agree that somehow, the trust rating is being abused.

Well most of the times banks do the same, they ask you what are you going to do with the money. You should care because if he is using the loans to gamble, that doesnt guarantee its gonna pay in the future
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