Wilikon (OP)
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 02:00:15 PM |
|
Nasa has been testing a highly controversial electromagnetic space propulsion technology called EmDrive and has found evidence that it may indeed work, and along the way, might even have made a sci-fi concept possible. The EmDrive is a technology that could make it much cheaper to launch satellites into space and could be key to solving the energy crisis, if solar power could be harnessed off the satellites and sent back to Earth. It was thought up and developed by a British scientist called Roger Shawyer, who spent years having his technology ridiculed by the international space community even though Boeing licensed it and the UK government was satisfied it worked. Nasa has been testing the technology for a while and it confirmed on 29 April that researchers at the Johnson Space Center have successfully tested an electromagnetic propulsion drive in a vacuum, and although it did not seem possible, the technology actually works. "Thrust measurements of the EmDrive defy classical physics' expectations that such a closed [microwave] cavity should be unusable for space propulsion because of the law of conservation of momentum," Nasa's José Rodal, Jeremiah Mullikin and Noel Munson wrote in a Nasa Spaceflight blog. What is EmDrive?
EmDrive is based on the theory of special relativity that it is possible to convert electrical energy into thrust without the need to expel any form of repellent.
Shawyer's critics say according to the law of conservation of momentum, his theory cannot work as in order for a thruster to be propelled forwards, something must be pushed out of the back of it in the opposite direction.
However, EmDrive does preserve the conservation of momentum and energy – to put it simply, electricity converts into microwaves within the cavity that push against the inside of the device, causing the thruster to accelerate in the opposite direction.
Shawyer proved that if you had a 100kg spacecraft, the thrust would be in a clockwise direction and the spacecraft would then accelerate in an anti-clockwise direction.
Nasa says it works when tested in a vacuumThe researchers explain that the reason why Shawyer's EmDrive models and EmDrive experiments carried out by Chinese researchers had been criticised in the past was because none of the tests had been carried out in a vacuum. Physics says particles in the quantum vacuum cannot be ionised, so therefore you cannot push against it, but Nasa says Shawyer's theory does indeed work. "Nasa has successfully tested their EmDrive in a hard vacuum – the first time any organisation has reported such a successful test. To this end, Nasa Eagleworks has now nullified the prevailing hypothesis that thrust measurements were due to thermal convection," the researchers wrote. Nasa says its researchers joined forces with a large community of enthusiasts, engineers, and scientists on several continents to discuss EmDrive theories on the NasaSpaceflight.com EmDrive forum, and "despite considerable effort within the NasaSpaceflight.com forum to dismiss the reported thrust as an artefact, the EmDrive results have yet to be falsified". At least now Shawyer's work is being validated and he continues to work on a souped-up second generation version of the EmDrive that uses super conductors and an asymmetrical cavity to increase the thrust by up to five orders of magnitude. In an interview with IBTimes UK in August 2014, Shawyer said: "There was an element of not wanting to disrupt the industry, but also a total ignorance in the laws of physics. They did make life difficult for me for a while. ""The space industry doesn't want to know about it as it's very disruptive. If the customer will spend hundreds of millions of dollars on launching a satellite, why would you want to make something that could do it cheaper? "This technology is a quantum leap – it would enable vertical take-off and landing for airplanes, it's quiet and it uses liquid hydrogen as a fuel, so it's green too." Star Trek warp drive might also now be possibleApart from the excitement over EmDrive possibly being a real thing, internet users also noticed Nasa could possibly have accidentally invented the warp drive – a faster-than-light propulsion system that enables spacecraft to travel at speeds that are greatly faster than light in sci-fi movies such as Star Trek. Nasa researchers posted on the Nasa Spaceflight forum that when lasers were fired into the EmDrive's resonance chamber, some of the laser beams had travelled faster than the speed of light, which would mean the EmDrive could have produced a warp bubble. A post by another user analysing the EmDrive experiment said "the math behind the warp bubble apparently matches the interference pattern found in the EmDrive". http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nasa-says-emdrive-does-work-it-may-have-also-created-star-trek-warp-drive-1499098
|
|
|
|
Wilikon (OP)
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 02:05:05 PM |
|
|
|
|
|
Wilikon (OP)
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 02:14:42 PM |
|
"The results are actually down to fundamental physics, which has been well understood for the last 100 years. There are plenty of competent organisations in many countries who have been supporting my work over the past few years and plenty of other people including the Chinese have proved it, so it's not a surprise to me." Shawyer spent years having his technology ridiculed by the international space community even though Boeing licensed it and the UK government was satisfied it worked. But on 29 April, researchers from Nasa Spaceflight confirmed an electromagnetic propulsion drive was successfully tested in a vacuum at Johnson Space Center. Although it did not seem possible, Nasa found the technology did indeed work, and no amount of discussions from the space organisation or a large community of enthusiasts, engineers, and scientists on several continents on the NasaSpaceflight.com EmDrive forum had so far been able to disprove the results. Shawyer says the technology will revolutionise the aerospace industry and change is coming whether it likes it or not. "The aerospace industry needs to sit up and rethink things. The big aerospace companies have designed their last big jets, that's one of the implications. No one will be flying big jets for long-haul transportation in 20 years, and we won't be needing runways either," he said.http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nasa-validates-emdrive-roger-shawyer-says-aerospace-industry-needs-watch-out-1499141
|
|
|
|
Wilikon (OP)
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 03:14:16 PM |
|
This might allow to send unmanned spacecrafts farther than ever, but still won't solve the problem that you face when trying to accelerate living organisms. If you put a person inside a ship that gains speed he'll be pushed in the opposite direction the way you are pushed into your chair when you take off in a plane but the forces will be much greater basically smearing you on the walls. It was also explained in Star Trek, where they had double fields one that was outside the ship and one inside it with a different gravity to create artificial environment.
[...] Moving out from LEO, Mr. March, from NASA EagleWorks, noted that a spacecraft equipped with EM drive technology could surpass the performance expectations of the WarpStar-I concept vehicle. If such a similar vehicle were equipped with an EM Drive, it could enable travel from the surface of Earth to the surface of the moon within four hours. Such a vehicle would be capable of carrying two to six passengers and luggage and would be able to return to Earth in the same four-hour interval using one load of hydrogen and oxygen for fuel cell-derived electrical power, assuming a 500 to 1,000 Newton/kW efficiency EM Drive system. While the current maximum reported efficiency is close to only 1 Newton/kW (Prof. Yang’s experiments in China), Mr. March noted that such an increase in efficiency is most likely achievable within the next 50 years provided that current EM Drive propulsion conjectures are close to accurate. Far more ambitious applications for the EM Drive were presented by Dr. White and include crewed missions to Mars as well as to the outer planets. Specifically, these two proposed missions (to Mars and the outer planets) would use a 2 MegaWatt Nuclear Electric Propulsion spacecraft equipped with an EM Drive with a thrust/powerInput of 0.4 Newton/kW. With this design, a mission to Mars would result in a 70-day transit from Earth to the red planet, a 90-day stay at Mars, and then another 70-day return transit to Earth. [...] However, EM drive applications are not limited to Mars or outer solar system targets. Applications of this technology in deep space missions have already received conceptual outlines. In particular, the Alpha Centauri system, the closest star system to our solar system at just 4.3 lights year’s distance, received specific mention as a potential mission destination. Mr. Joosten and Dr. White stated that “a one-way, non-decelerating trip to Alpha Centauri under a constant one milli-g acceleration” from an EM drive would result in an arrival speed of 9.4 percent the speed of light and result in a total transit time from Earth to Alpha Centauri of just 92 years. However, if the intentions of such a mission were to perform in-situ observations and experiments in the Alpha Centauri system, then deceleration would be needed. This added component would result in a 130-year transit time from Earth to Alpha Centauri – which is still a significant improvement over the multi-thousand year timetable such a mission would take using current chemical propulsion technology. The speeds discussed in the Alpha Centauri mission proposal are sufficiently low that relativity effects are negligible. http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/
|
|
|
|
Lauda
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 03:50:23 PM |
|
[...] Moving out from LEO, Mr. March, from NASA EagleWorks, noted that a spacecraft equipped with EM drive technology could surpass the performance expectations of the WarpStar-I concept vehicle. If such a similar vehicle were equipped with an EM Drive, it could enable travel from the surface of Earth to the surface of the moon within four hours. Such a vehicle would be capable of carrying two to six passengers and luggage and would be able to return to Earth in the same four-hour interval using one load of hydrogen and oxygen for fuel cell-derived electrical power, assuming a 500 to 1,000 Newton/kW efficiency EM Drive system. While the current maximum reported efficiency is close to only 1 Newton/kW (Prof. Yang’s experiments in China), Mr. March noted that such an increase in efficiency is most likely achievable within the next 50 years provided that current EM Drive propulsion conjectures are close to accurate. Far more ambitious applications for the EM Drive were presented by Dr. White and include crewed missions to Mars as well as to the outer planets. Specifically, these two proposed missions (to Mars and the outer planets) would use a 2 MegaWatt Nuclear Electric Propulsion spacecraft equipped with an EM Drive with a thrust/powerInput of 0.4 Newton/kW. With this design, a mission to Mars would result in a 70-day transit from Earth to the red planet, a 90-day stay at Mars, and then another 70-day return transit to Earth. [...] However, EM drive applications are not limited to Mars or outer solar system targets. Applications of this technology in deep space missions have already received conceptual outlines. In particular, the Alpha Centauri system, the closest star system to our solar system at just 4.3 lights year’s distance, received specific mention as a potential mission destination. Mr. Joosten and Dr. White stated that “a one-way, non-decelerating trip to Alpha Centauri under a constant one milli-g acceleration” from an EM drive would result in an arrival speed of 9.4 percent the speed of light and result in a total transit time from Earth to Alpha Centauri of just 92 years. However, if the intentions of such a mission were to perform in-situ observations and experiments in the Alpha Centauri system, then deceleration would be needed. This added component would result in a 130-year transit time from Earth to Alpha Centauri – which is still a significant improvement over the multi-thousand year timetable such a mission would take using current chemical propulsion technology.The speeds discussed in the Alpha Centauri mission proposal are sufficiently low that relativity effects are negligible. http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/Significant improvement in theory. When they said within the next 50 years they lost me. This technology is developing quite slowly when you compare it to processing speed, internet and such. We are far away from having a safe and easy journey to Mars, not to mention another system. They need to stop talking and start working. The same problem arises with battery technology. Going to Mars in 70 days is still quite slow.
|
"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks" 😼 Bitcoin Core ( onion)
|
|
|
MaxDZ8
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 03:58:07 PM |
|
As far as I can tell this is better than sci-fi. It is my understanding it is a closed system. It is also not a warp drive as it doesn't seem to involve bending the space around the device.
|
|
|
|
Wilikon (OP)
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 04:15:11 PM |
|
[...] Moving out from LEO, Mr. March, from NASA EagleWorks, noted that a spacecraft equipped with EM drive technology could surpass the performance expectations of the WarpStar-I concept vehicle. If such a similar vehicle were equipped with an EM Drive, it could enable travel from the surface of Earth to the surface of the moon within four hours. Such a vehicle would be capable of carrying two to six passengers and luggage and would be able to return to Earth in the same four-hour interval using one load of hydrogen and oxygen for fuel cell-derived electrical power, assuming a 500 to 1,000 Newton/kW efficiency EM Drive system. While the current maximum reported efficiency is close to only 1 Newton/kW (Prof. Yang’s experiments in China), Mr. March noted that such an increase in efficiency is most likely achievable within the next 50 years provided that current EM Drive propulsion conjectures are close to accurate. Far more ambitious applications for the EM Drive were presented by Dr. White and include crewed missions to Mars as well as to the outer planets. Specifically, these two proposed missions (to Mars and the outer planets) would use a 2 MegaWatt Nuclear Electric Propulsion spacecraft equipped with an EM Drive with a thrust/powerInput of 0.4 Newton/kW. With this design, a mission to Mars would result in a 70-day transit from Earth to the red planet, a 90-day stay at Mars, and then another 70-day return transit to Earth. [...] However, EM drive applications are not limited to Mars or outer solar system targets. Applications of this technology in deep space missions have already received conceptual outlines. In particular, the Alpha Centauri system, the closest star system to our solar system at just 4.3 lights year’s distance, received specific mention as a potential mission destination. Mr. Joosten and Dr. White stated that “a one-way, non-decelerating trip to Alpha Centauri under a constant one milli-g acceleration” from an EM drive would result in an arrival speed of 9.4 percent the speed of light and result in a total transit time from Earth to Alpha Centauri of just 92 years. However, if the intentions of such a mission were to perform in-situ observations and experiments in the Alpha Centauri system, then deceleration would be needed. This added component would result in a 130-year transit time from Earth to Alpha Centauri – which is still a significant improvement over the multi-thousand year timetable such a mission would take using current chemical propulsion technology.The speeds discussed in the Alpha Centauri mission proposal are sufficiently low that relativity effects are negligible. http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/Significant improvement in theory. When they said within the next 50 years they lost me. This technology is developing quite slowly when you compare it to processing speed, internet and such.We are far away from having a safe and easy journey to Mars, not to mention another system. They need to stop talking and start working. The same problem arises with battery technology. Going to Mars in 70 days is still quite slow. 50? We will get there faster. The Law of Accelerating ReturnsMarch 7, 2001 by Ray Kurzweil An analysis of the history of technology shows that technological change is exponential, contrary to the common-sense “intuitive linear” view. So we won’t experience 100 years of progress in the 21st century — it will be more like 20,000 years of progress (at today’s rate). The “returns,” such as chip speed and cost-effectiveness, also increase exponentially. There’s even exponential growth in the rate of exponential growth. Within a few decades, machine intelligence will surpass human intelligence, leading to The Singularity — technological change so rapid and profound it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history. The implications include the merger of biological and nonbiological intelligence, immortal software-based humans, and ultra-high levels of intelligence that expand outward in the universe at the speed of light. http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-law-of-accelerating-returns
|
|
|
|
Spendulus
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1386
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 05:32:13 PM |
|
..... Significant improvement in theory. When they said within the next 50 years they lost me. This technology is developing quite slowly when you compare it to processing speed, internet and such. We are far away from having a safe and easy journey to Mars, not to mention another system. They need to stop talking and start working. The same problem arises with battery technology. Going to Mars in 70 days is still quite slow.
Well..... To understand look at the LAST 50 years - 1965 to now. Cars are about the same, aircraft have somewhat improved jet turbine engines. Powerplants are somewhat better, a lot cleaner of course. So in all these power systems what has improved tremendously? All the monitoring and control and computer components. Basic propulsion systems do not evolve according to the same trend as electronics. Well of course unless you created a propulsion system embedded in a pc board somehow.... Oh, and saying going to Mars in 70 days is slow is sort of wrong, because it does not show a comprehension of the enormous distances involved. Having said that, there look to me to be a lot of wild speculation and math/numerical errors in the press release/article/post.
|
|
|
|
Lauda
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 06:29:15 PM |
|
Well.....
To understand look at the LAST 50 years - 1965 to now. Cars are about the same, aircraft have somewhat improved jet turbine engines. Powerplants are somewhat better, a lot cleaner of course.
So in all these power systems what has improved tremendously? All the monitoring and control and computer components.
Basic propulsion systems do not evolve according to the same trend as electronics. Well of course unless you created a propulsion system embedded in a pc board somehow....
Oh, and saying going to Mars in 70 days is slow is sort of wrong, because it does not show a comprehension of the enormous distances involved. Having said that, there look to me to be a lot of wild speculation and math/numerical errors in the press release/article/post.
That's true. I was saying that there was massive improvements when it comes to computer (i.e. informatics). I guess the upcoming years are going to be interesting when it all interconnects (it already has but to some degree). How is it wrong? That might be wrong if you're looking inside the box. Mars is 225,300,000 kilometers away from earth (225,3 times 10^5). Z8 GND 5296 (it doesn't even have a proper name) is one of the most distant astronomical objects that we've discovered so far in the observable universe. It is 30 bly away (yes, billion light years); converting into kilometers would result in a very big number. Don't get me started on things outside the observable part of the universe. So don't tell me that a 70 day trip to Mars, which is 0.00002381423ly away, is not slow.
|
"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks" 😼 Bitcoin Core ( onion)
|
|
|
Wilikon (OP)
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1001
minds.com/Wilikon
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 06:35:41 PM |
|
..... Significant improvement in theory. When they said within the next 50 years they lost me. This technology is developing quite slowly when you compare it to processing speed, internet and such. We are far away from having a safe and easy journey to Mars, not to mention another system. They need to stop talking and start working. The same problem arises with battery technology. Going to Mars in 70 days is still quite slow.
Well..... To understand look at the LAST 50 years - 1965 to now. Cars are about the same, aircraft have somewhat improved jet turbine engines. Powerplants are somewhat better, a lot cleaner of course. So in all these power systems what has improved tremendously? All the monitoring and control and computer components. Basic propulsion systems do not evolve according to the same trend as electronics. Well of course unless you created a propulsion system embedded in a pc board somehow.... Oh, and saying going to Mars in 70 days is slow is sort of wrong, because it does not show a comprehension of the enormous distances involved. Having said that, there look to me to be a lot of wild speculation and math/numerical errors in the press release/article/post. I don't get it. Was following this for a while. Now nasa says it worked in a vacuum. I believe previous tests were not done in a vacuum. I still don't get it but nasa says the engine works... It means what we know as "reality" is still very strange to me. Obviously not strange for the dude behind the idea and was mocked for it. Although it is sad to see articles with over the top titles like this one, just for click baits.
|
|
|
|
Lethn
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 06:40:27 PM |
|
At least the fucking assholes mentioned Shawyer was the original creator of the EMDrive, these guys were originally dismissing it along with other scientists, it's quite simple really, they were likely dismissing his work so it wouldn't get as much interest then quietly working on it until they got a better version up and running.
At least, that's what I reckon they're up to.
|
|
|
|
Spendulus
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1386
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
April 30, 2015, 08:32:48 PM |
|
Well.....
To understand look at the LAST 50 years - 1965 to now. Cars are about the same, aircraft have somewhat improved jet turbine engines. Powerplants are somewhat better, a lot cleaner of course.
So in all these power systems what has improved tremendously? All the monitoring and control and computer components.
Basic propulsion systems do not evolve according to the same trend as electronics. Well of course unless you created a propulsion system embedded in a pc board somehow....
Oh, and saying going to Mars in 70 days is slow is sort of wrong, because it does not show a comprehension of the enormous distances involved. Having said that, there look to me to be a lot of wild speculation and math/numerical errors in the press release/article/post.
That's true. I was saying that there was massive improvements when it comes to computer (i.e. informatics). I guess the upcoming years are going to be interesting when it all interconnects (it already has but to some degree). How is it wrong? That might be wrong if you're looking inside the box. Mars is 225,300,000 kilometers away from earth (225,3 times 10^5). Z8 GND 5296 (it doesn't even have a proper name) is one of the most distant astronomical objects that we've discovered so far in the observable universe. It is 30 bly away (yes, billion light years); converting into kilometers would result in a very big number. Don't get me started on things outside the observable part of the universe. So don't tell me that a 70 day trip to Mars, which is 0.00002381423ly away, is not slow. hmm.... Well since the universe is about 13.8 billion years old, even if we went one way and an object went the opposite direction at the speed of light, it wouldn't be 30 billion light years away....LOL, does that prove FTL travel? As for the quoted travel time to Mars, it's similar to travel time to Philedelphia from Rotterdam in the 18th century (60-80 days). However, actual distance to Mars varies from 54M km to 400M km due to the orbits. 18th century German immigrant ships, which normally sailed from Rotterdam to Philadelphia via Deal, Portsmouth, etc. I'm researching the owners, ships, captains, and crews rather than the immigrants they carried. Sailing times for the westbound leg are fairly well documented, and normally 60-80 days, England to Philadelphia.
|
|
|
|
username18333
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
May 01, 2015, 03:18:22 AM Last edit: May 02, 2015, 07:40:04 AM by username18333 |
|
Nasa researchers posted on the Nasa Spaceflight forum that when lasers were fired into the EmDrive’s resonance chamber, some of the laser beams had travelled faster than the speed of light, which would mean the EmDrive could have produced a warp bubble.
Schrödinger’s analysis of the Dirac equation gives a hint for the existence of negative masses hidden behind positive masses. But their use for propulsion by reducing the inertia of matter for example, in the limit of macroscopic bodied with zero rest mass, depends on a technical solution to free them from their imprisonment by positive masses.
“NASA” (i.e., the Illuminati) was aware of the possibility that negative matter is freed inside “the EmDrive’s resonance chamber” (Russon): the velocity of “some of the laser beams” (Russon) was negatively decreased (i.e., increased).
|
|
|
|
TheButterZone
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 3024
Merit: 1032
RIP Mommy
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
May 01, 2015, 03:28:51 AM |
|
|
Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
|
|
|
Lauda
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
May 01, 2015, 06:05:40 AM |
|
Well since the universe is about 13.8 billion years old, even if we went one way and an object went the opposite direction at the speed of light, it wouldn't be 30 billion light years away....LOL, does that prove FTL travel?
As for the quoted travel time to Mars, it's similar to travel time to Philedelphia from Rotterdam in the 18th century (60-80 days). However, actual distance to Mars varies from 54M km to 400M km due to the orbits.
18th century German immigrant ships, which normally sailed from Rotterdam to Philadelphia via Deal, Portsmouth, etc. I'm researching the owners, ships, captains, and crews rather than the immigrants they carried. Sailing times for the westbound leg are fairly well documented, and normally 60-80 days, England to Philadelphia.
We would not? Are you sure about this or are you just writing nonsense? The mentioned Z8 GND 5296 is actually 13.1 billion light years away. 30 billion light years is the comoving distance to that galaxy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoving_distance
|
"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks" 😼 Bitcoin Core ( onion)
|
|
|
cryptocoiner
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
May 01, 2015, 06:34:45 AM |
|
NASA May Have Invented Warp Drive? LOL, another science scam to attract taxpayers money. Laws of physics forbids it. Forget it people. We stuck on this planet. Everyone who saying different is a scammer who just want your money. That's all.
|
|
|
|
username18333
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
May 01, 2015, 06:42:47 AM |
|
Well since the universe is about 13.8 billion years old
In summary, we have shown here that as for the QRE, the second order Friedmann equation derived from the QRE also contains two quantum correction terms. These terms are generic and unavoidable and follow naturally in a quantum mechanical description of our universe. Of these, the first can be interpreted as cosmological constant or dark energy of the correct (observed) magnitude and a small mass of the graviton (or axion). The second quantum correction term pushes back the time singularity indefinitely, and predicts an everlasting universe.
(Red colorization mine.)
|
|
|
|
Lethn
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
May 01, 2015, 07:05:38 AM Last edit: May 01, 2015, 07:16:26 AM by Lethn |
|
NASA May Have Invented Warp Drive? LOL, another science scam to attract taxpayers money. Laws of physics forbids it. Forget it people. We stuck on this planet. Everyone who saying different is a scammer who just want your money. That's all.
Oh fuck off, people like you are the type who believe the Hadron Collider could make a black hole aren't you? Also it's got nothing to do with breaking the laws of physics it's just that people are too stupid to look properly at the evidence presented, there's a clue in the name "EM" ElectroMagnetic, the engine generates microwaves and doesn't break the laws of physics at all. Damn morons will believe anything that they read or are told. Here's Roger Shawyers actual website, it goes into a full explanation of how it works. http://www.rexresearch.com/shawyer/shawyer.htm#gb239The official reason tha was given that the EMDrive 'didn't work' was because of the amount of thrust it produced was so small etc. but they've clearly been testing it properly now and trying to increase the power, but as the guy rightly said who invented the prototype they're going to be pretty far behind other companies who are more willing to experiment with this. From what I've seen it looks like if you want to produce any kind of real movement from it you're going to have to power it with an electricity source but that's a far better option than wasting a ton of fuel in space to get to where you need to go and then get stuck because there isn't any oil or gas elsewhere. In theory, I guess you could use the solar energy from the sun to power this thing which is a far more efficient method than what's been come up with so far. EmDrive is based on the theory of special relativity that it is possible to convert electrical energy into thrust without the need to expel any form of repellent. Oh and I just edited my post, I don't know why you didn't read anything but it even says in one line it uses electrical energy to produce thrust and that's the case in the actual document I gave you too. I worry for the fucking future of civilisation when people are practically handed space travel technology and just dismiss it because they're so proud of being stupid.
|
|
|
|
Ksteven
Newbie
Offline
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
May 01, 2015, 07:07:35 AM |
|
can it do time travel also.
|
|
|
|
cryptocoiner
|
![](https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/xx.gif) |
May 01, 2015, 07:13:37 AM |
|
NASA May Have Invented Warp Drive? LOL, another science scam to attract taxpayers money. Laws of physics forbids it. Forget it people. We stuck on this planet. Everyone who saying different is a scammer who just want your money. That's all.
Oh fuck off, people like you are the type who believe the Hadron Collider could make a black hole aren't you? Also it's got nothing to do with breaking the laws of physics it's just that people are too stupid to look properly at the evidence presented, there's a clue in the name "EM" ElectroMagnetic, the engine generates microwaves and doesn't break the laws of physics at all. Damn morons will believe anything that they read or are told. Here's Roger Shawyers actual website, it goes into a full explanation of how it works, the person who wrote this article just like with the Hadron Collider stuff clearly knew nothing. http://www.rexresearch.com/shawyer/shawyer.htm#gb239The official reason tha was given that the EMDrive 'didn't work' was because of the amount of thrust it produced was so small, but they've clearly been testing it properly now and trying to increase the power, but as the guy rightly said who invented the prototype they're going to be pretty far behind other companies who are more willing to experiment with this. From what I've seen it looks like if you want to produce any kind of real movement from it you're going to have to power it with an electricity source but that's a far better option than wasting a ton of fuel in space to get to where you need to go and then get stuck because there isn't any oil or gas elsewhere. In theory, I guess you could use the solar energy from the sun to power this thing which is a far more efficient method than what's been come up with so far. Good luck with your travel to Alpha Centaury, idiot. Don't forget to give them all your money. You can also give all your money, house, etc. to me. Since your're not gonna be needing them in space.
|
|
|
|
|