A suggestion to the alt + bittorrent devs: PopcornTime.

[tokeweed]

Build something like Popcorn Time.

https://popcorntime.io/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popcorn_Time

Instead of making a vanilla bittorrent client with alt capabilities, make it like Popcorn Time...

Discuss.

[tokeweed]

Which altcoin project was built on bittorent?  And who are the devs?

[Sebastien256]

Nxt hasprunable message in testnet and has a torrent plugin also in construction near completion . I think an app like popcorn time could be make as a plugin. Check out the upcoming torrent plugin:
 https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/(preview)-torrents-plugin/msg176673/#msg176673

[sidhujag]

Interesting.. If its p2p how does it get shutdown ? Couldn't others put up a frontend aswell especially because it was open Source? Btw it's still up so what are you saying.. Create a token to inventisize uploading via compensation (fees)?

[tokeweed]

Interesting.. If its p2p how does it get shutdown ? Couldn't others put up a frontend aswell especially because it was open Source? Btw it's still up so what are you saying.. Create a token to inventisize uploading via compensation (fees)?

Something like that, yes.  But with a PopcornTime type of platform, users will be able to stream content (video or audio) instead of just downloading them.

So it's going to be like a P2P version of NetFlix, and with an altcoin distributed at the same time.

[sidhujag]

The viewers would need to be anon and decentralized to avoid censorship so you may use a decenrralized DNS system or decentralized web pages to connect a frontend to view it

[SaltySpitoon]

I spoke to a group of people who were doing just what you are talking about. Funny enough, with the help of the developer of Popcorntime. They are using Florincoin to create a media sharing platform based on blockchain's distributed consensus.

Demo Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_u-ndscZjY

[sidhujag]

I spoke to a group of people who were doing just what you are talking about. Funny enough, with the help of the developer of Popcorntime. They are using Florincoin to create a media sharing platform based on blockchain's distributed consensus.

Demo Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_u-ndscZjY

How will the fee embedded in the block scale with the value of florincoin?
Seems putting things in are free? What stops spam or very large vids? Seems payment to view based on tips.

[tokeweed]

Salty.  Cool.  Thanks.  I hope projects like that catch on.  

[tokeweed]

An alt project + PopcornTime capabilities could be big.

Netflix says piracy service Popcorn Time is a real competitor

Netflix isn't just worried about HBO — it's worried about pirates, too. In a letter to shareholders yesterday, Netflix says that piracy is one of its "biggest competitors," and notably, it specifically points to one piracy service that's caught its attention: Popcorn Time. Popcorn Time's app is meant to make pirating a movie as easy as streaming one on Netflix. The app allows you to browse through an iTunes-like catalog of movies and TV shows by their posters, select one for more information, and then start streaming it after a short buffering period. It's so streamlined that anyone should be able to just pick it up and start watching.

What Popcorn Time actually is is a pretty face for downloading torrents, an activity that's typically going to be illegal when you're looking for major films and TV shows. This form of piracy is far from a new phenomenon, but it makes torrenting a lot more accessible than it's traditionally been — and that gives Netflix reason to worry.

In particular, Netflix points to a Google Trends graph comparing the popularity of searches for Netflix, HBO, and Popcorn Time in the Netherlands. The graph shows the popularity of Popcorn Time rising sharply over the past six months, such that it's now on par with Netflix and far above HBO. Netflix calls the data "sobering." Of course, this is only in the Netherlands, which appears to be an outlier. Looking at global data, the graph is far different, with Netflix soaring far, far above Popcorn Time and HBO. Still, it's a sign that Popcorn Time is gaining prominence. Netflix is a great piracy deterrent because it's cheap and easy — but Popcorn Time is now making piracy easy, too. For Netflix, that's cause for concern.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/21/7868645/netflix-lists-popcorn-time-as-competitor

[Daedelus]

Nxt hasprunable message in testnet and has a torrent plugin also in construction near completion . I think an app like popcorn time could be make as a plugin. Check out the upcoming torrent plugin:
 https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/(preview)-torrents-plugin/msg176673/#msg176673

Also here: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/nxttorrents-my-efforts-updates-and-need-help/

There are two torrent projects in Nxt atm, being built outside the core by third party devs.

[tokeweed]

Also this has potential http://blocktech.com

[solid12345]

Also this has potential http://blocktech.com

Blocktech claims to be a company yet they are begging the community for cash, and it was hyped like Alexandrias release was right around the corner yet now they are wanting $250k to fund its development?

I guess the term Bagtech really is fitting.

[sidhujag]

So I gave this a bit of thought and came up with a solution, solving a few things in the process.

I'm working Syscoin atm and we have decentralised data aliases, which can be updated, transferred etc. We can place data with a name essentially into the blockchain.

Requirement #1 popcorntime.com must be resolved to some IP with the frontend running the popcorntime UI.. which streams torrents sequentially through the browser (all javascript technology)
Requirement #2 the IP should be obfuscated to avoid server censorship.. this can be done by using IP's in a P2P fashion.

Syscoin data aliases can solve both requirements and in the process I have discovered a way to use them to make a decentralized web scheme.

Task #1 ZIP popcorntime.io website and put it in a Syscoin data alias with the name popcorntime.io
Task #2 Create a custom decentralised web browser using qtwebviewer
Task #2a In custom web browser, allow URI lookups to syscoin data alias names
Task #2b In custom web browser, Once a URI lookup returns a data alias, UNZIP in memory and throw the web page up in qtwebviewer browser.


With this approach, only the owner of the data alias can ever change the website via updates. He/she can always transfer to another Syscoin alias or address if they wish to give ownership to someone else.

ZIP/UNZIP can be done via javascript (https://github.com/popcorn-time/adm-zip), no server side needed.

What does this solve?

1) Ability to have decentralised web viewing (popcorntime.ioallows for decentralised media streaming through sequential torrent streaming through browser iframes)
2) Decentralised DNS system inherint in the custom browser via the URI lookup to the data alias. No server tools needed for decentralized DNS... infact NO server exists with this scheme.. purely blockchain and p2p message relaying
3) Crypto-secured data which is update able

Use case:
1) User downloads the custom web browser
2) User navigates to popcorntime.io, or any other site.
3) User watches his media, restarts his machine and any video content he/she watched is removed permanently.

[Spoetnik]

PT is a cancer on filesharing and should die or be radically changed.
File sharing communities foot the bill for all that bandwidth.. not the PT users leaching.
So NO it should not be used in any way in ALTcoins.

[sidhujag]

PT is a cancer on filesharing and should die or be radically changed.
File sharing communities foot the bill for all that bandwidth.. not the PT users leaching.
So NO it should not be used in any way in ALTcoins.

Not a concern since leechers become seeders as soon as the chunks are downloaded. Another thing an altcoin can do is maybe a simply donation to the original seeder might add incentive for seeders (although this is adding more complexity to a simple integration). I believe some of the projects have done this..

Another benefit of my approach is that you can have a tunnelling option in the custom browser to be able to skip IP verification at the ISP level or any validation that is required by your jurisdiction when dealing with torrents or any P2P related downloading. That way no VPN is needed to watch your stuff, it would work with a privacy (hidden mode) option checked.

[Crestington]

I wonder how this would work? So the Blockchain would be used as an identifier or maybe even the enabler of the download? Lets say all the data was converted to blockchain, wouldn't the data be irreversible as long as it's held? Maybe you could get issued credits for being a content seeder?

[sidhujag]

I wonder how this would work? So the Blockchain would be used as an identifier or maybe even the enabler of the download? Lets say all the data was converted to blockchain, wouldn't the data be irreversible as long as it's held? Maybe you could get issued credits for being a content seeder?

You can update the site and use latest update.. Only owner of the pvt key who created it can update it.. I'm thinking however a decentralized p2p file storage may be another storage options.

[Crestington]

I wonder how this would work? So the Blockchain would be used as an identifier or maybe even the enabler of the download? Lets say all the data was converted to blockchain, wouldn't the data be irreversible as long as it's held? Maybe you could get issued credits for being a content seeder?

You can update the site and use latest update.. Only owner of the pvt key who created it can update it.. I'm thinking however a decentralized p2p file storage may be another storage options.

I've long thought that bittorrent would be a better way to connect Blockchains as well, break up the data across many people so everyone has a piece of the whole, streaming of the Blockchain. What about Namecoin? wasn't it's bitDNS idea supposed to be something like that?

[tokeweed]

Like Storj?  http://storj.io