ANDREW BITCOINER!!

[DOH!]

Mods - why does Andrew Bitcoiner NOT have a scammer tag yet??

I can't independently verify that scamming occurred.

Well, I understand your position, but how many reports of BTC not being paid out do you need before a "community consensus" is reached?  He's not paying out on his advertiser platform either.  With dozens of people reporting failed payouts, I would think the onus would be on him to prove his innocence.

How do you normally verify that scamming has occurred?

Interesting, the piece of shit removed his bitjack21.com thread in gambling, locked and deleted all his posts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39591.0  What exactly do you need to prove that he is a scammer?

[theymos]

Well, I understand your position, but how many reports of BTC not being paid out do you need before a "community consensus" is reached?  He's not paying out on his advertiser platform either.  With dozens of people reporting failed payouts, I would think the onus would be on him to prove his innocence.

I sometimes do use reasoning like that to decide scammer cases, but I feel that Andrew Bitcoiner has a strong case. His site ToS says:

Any and all units of the Bitcoin digital currency deposited into a BitcoinAdvertisers.com Bitcoin address becomes the sole property of the Service until such time that the Bitcoin(s) is transferred to a third party Bitcoin address at the sole discretion of the Service.

I would still tend toward marking him as a scammer if he clearly kept deposited BTC for absolutely no reason, but he claims that all of the people with frozen accounts violated aspects of the ToS and he is therefore within his rights to keep the BTC. This may be true. I have no way of verifying whether or not people broke the site rules.

[SgtSpike]

Well, I understand your position, but how many reports of BTC not being paid out do you need before a "community consensus" is reached?  He's not paying out on his advertiser platform either.  With dozens of people reporting failed payouts, I would think the onus would be on him to prove his innocence.

I sometimes do use reasoning like that to decide scammer cases, but I feel that Andrew Bitcoiner has a strong case. His site ToS says:

Any and all units of the Bitcoin digital currency deposited into a BitcoinAdvertisers.com Bitcoin address becomes the sole property of the Service until such time that the Bitcoin(s) is transferred to a third party Bitcoin address at the sole discretion of the Service.

I would still tend toward marking him as a scammer if he clearly kept deposited BTC for absolutely no reason, but he claims that all of the people with frozen accounts violated aspects of the ToS and he is therefore within his rights to keep the BTC. This may be true. I have no way of verifying whether or not people broke the site rules.

Fair points, thanks for the response.

[theymos]

I haven't received a reply in a week and he never formally accused me of violating any TOS. Initially he said he had a rash of payouts, then he said there was a bug, then he said we exploited the bug but he will still pay out. I tried to check his TOS the other day and it was 404'd. DOH! in my opinion did violate the TOS, which gave Andrew a reason to jump on the opportunity and not pay out in his case.

My account balance would have still had the BTC in it if I didn't initiate withdrawals.

So I've been unofficially called a cheat and it's been three weeks.

I think he said something along the lines that doubling down was free, or something, which I can assure was not the case for me because I played likely hundreds upon hundreds of hands.

He won't credit my account to my knowledge, or deposit the money to my BTC account.

I have all these screenshots and emails. You can look up the addresses in the blockchain right?

No payouts, no communication.

Please post these PMs. (Just post the text, if this is convenient. Screenshots are no more valuable than text.)

[DOH!]

Well, I understand your position, but how many reports of BTC not being paid out do you need before a "community consensus" is reached?  He's not paying out on his advertiser platform either.  With dozens of people reporting failed payouts, I would think the onus would be on him to prove his innocence.

I sometimes do use reasoning like that to decide scammer cases, but I feel that Andrew Bitcoiner has a strong case. His site ToS says:

Any and all units of the Bitcoin digital currency deposited into a BitcoinAdvertisers.com Bitcoin address becomes the sole property of the Service until such time that the Bitcoin(s) is transferred to a third party Bitcoin address at the sole discretion of the Service.

I would still tend toward marking him as a scammer if he clearly kept deposited BTC for absolutely no reason, but he claims that all of the people with frozen accounts violated aspects of the ToS and he is therefore within his rights to keep the BTC. This may be true. I have no way of verifying whether or not people broke the site rules.

This thread was started in regards to bitjack21.com, where he owes multiple people btc in payouts.

[DOH!]

I haven't received a reply in a week and he never formally accused me of violating any TOS. Initially he said he had a rash of payouts, then he said there was a bug, then he said we exploited the bug but he will still pay out. I tried to check his TOS the other day and it was 404'd. DOH! in my opinion did violate the TOS, which gave Andrew a reason to jump on the opportunity and not pay out in his case.

My account balance would have still had the BTC in it if I didn't initiate withdrawals.

So I've been unofficially called a cheat and it's been three weeks.

I think he said something along the lines that doubling down was free, or something, which I can assure was not the case for me because I played likely hundreds upon hundreds of hands.

He won't credit my account to my knowledge, or deposit the money to my BTC account.

I have all these screenshots and emails. You can look up the addresses in the blockchain right?

No payouts, no communication.

Oh really, I violated his TOS? And where, oh where, have you EVER seen a TOS on his bitjack21.com site?  Here's a hint: There isn't one.  I've posted all my 'evidence' right there in his thread on the gambling sub.  Fact is, he doesn't have to pay out at all, nobody is going to stop him, and since he controls the accounts, he can just delete the ones that have won and keep stealing btc. 

[DOH!]

I haven't been able to pull up any TOS.

Nobody has, it was never there.

[fcmatt]

One has to wonder if the forum moderators here just do not give a shit. They prob think a girl got raped and deserved it for dressing slutty.

[IveBeenBit]

So I've been unofficially called a cheat and it's been three weeks.

I think he said something along the lines that doubling down was free, or something, which I can assure was not the case for me because I played likely hundreds upon hundreds of hands.

There was a thread in the gambling forum a couple months ago where a person figured out how to split & double down on his hand without putting in any more money, yet still collect the full winnings. That person exploited the bug to run a 5BTC deposit up into the 3 figures. Was that you? This is from memory, so I may have the details wrong.

[ingrownpocket]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143980.0

[speeder]

Yay! Old thread about Andrew stealing money with his blackjack site, and Theymos only addressed a comment about his advertising site, and ignored the bitjack issue, don't even commented.