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Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently
my thoughts too! Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time. shouldn't they?? guess they should. Deepbit doesn't need to be fair when they have some people mining PPS with a 10% fee  How is Deepbit being unfair when people *CHOOSE* to mine PPS there? Respect peoples choice to mine where they want for whatever reason they have. If some poor schmuck doesn't understand how PPS works then explain it to them when they ask. This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD. Sam |
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Shadow383
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September 11, 2012, 02:14:13 AM |
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Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently
my thoughts too! Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time. shouldn't they?? guess they should. Deepbit doesn't need to be fair when they have some people mining PPS with a 10% fee How is Deepbit being unfair when people *CHOOSE* to mine PPS there? Respect peoples choice to mine where they want for whatever reason they have. If some poor schmuck doesn't understand how PPS works then explain it to them when they ask. This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD. Sam Don't get me wrong - I love deepbit. I make more off deepbit than I make off any other pool |
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os2sam
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September 11, 2012, 02:21:59 AM |
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Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently
my thoughts too! Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time. shouldn't they?? guess they should. Deepbit doesn't need to be fair when they have some people mining PPS with a 10% fee How is Deepbit being unfair when people *CHOOSE* to mine PPS there? Respect peoples choice to mine where they want for whatever reason they have. If some poor schmuck doesn't understand how PPS works then explain it to them when they ask. This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD. Sam Don't get me wrong - I love deepbit. I make more off deepbit than I make off any other pool Sorry, I didn't really mean to yell at you. It's the tone of this whole thread that I think is unfair to Deepbit. I don't understand why anyone would pay 10% fee for PPS either and I wouldn't have believed anyone still did until today. I'll just pipe down now, Sam |
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
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September 11, 2012, 02:32:39 AM |
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Sorry, I didn't really mean to yell at you. It's the tone of this whole thread that I think is unfair to Deepbit.
This whole thread is completely based on a misunderstanding of variance and how shares are solved. People are suspicious here and want to blame someone for bad luck. I sort of understand it, but I think it would be better if people understood what they were saying before they start making accusations. |
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September 11, 2012, 06:12:10 AM |
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Sorry, I didn't really mean to yell at you. It's the tone of this whole thread that I think is unfair to Deepbit.
This whole thread is completely based on a misunderstanding of variance and how shares are solved. People are suspicious here and want to blame someone for bad luck. I sort of understand it, but I think it would be better if people understood what they were saying before they start making accusations. I disagree, my intention was to have a look at the network. Are there persons who take a look at the nework all the time? Then I would be fine. Thanks! |
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September 11, 2012, 06:35:24 AM |
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Sorry, I didn't really mean to yell at you. It's the tone of this whole thread that I think is unfair to Deepbit.
This whole thread is completely based on a misunderstanding of variance and how shares are solved. People are suspicious here and want to blame someone for bad luck. I sort of understand it, but I think it would be better if people understood what they were saying before they start making accusations. I disagree, my intention was to have a look at the network. Are there persons who take a look at the nework all the time? Then I would be fine. Thanks! Yes, I take a look at the network at least once a week, every week: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com , look for the "Weekly pool statistics" posts. Plus, I don't deny your intention was to investigate the network, it's just much more complex than you might think. Read some about the geometric distribution and negative binomial distribution if you want to understand the probability and variance for the number of shares in one round or many rounds respectively. Read about the Poisson distribution if you're interested in the number of blocks a pool might solve in a given time period. |
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September 11, 2012, 06:38:34 AM |
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Sorry, I didn't really mean to yell at you. It's the tone of this whole thread that I think is unfair to Deepbit.
This whole thread is completely based on a misunderstanding of variance and how shares are solved. People are suspicious here and want to blame someone for bad luck. I sort of understand it, but I think it would be better if people understood what they were saying before they start making accusations. I disagree, my intention was to have a look at the network. Are there persons who take a look at the nework all the time? Then I would be fine. Thanks! Plus, I don't deny your intention was to investigate the network, it's just much more complex than you might think. yes I understand this in the meantime and I have to do more research on it.  |
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September 12, 2012, 10:50:39 AM |
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Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently
my thoughts too! Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time. shouldn't they?? guess they should. Deepbit doesn't need to be fair when they have some people mining PPS with a 10% fee How is Deepbit being unfair when people *CHOOSE* to mine PPS there? Respect peoples choice to mine where they want for whatever reason they have. If some poor schmuck doesn't understand how PPS works then explain it to them when they ask. This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD. Sam You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that. |
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September 12, 2012, 10:55:07 AM |
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This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD.
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You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.
I'm a big believer in "Trust but Verify". Sam |
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
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September 12, 2012, 10:58:19 AM |
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You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.
Do tell... |
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September 12, 2012, 11:02:19 AM |
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This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD.
Sam
You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.
I'm a big believer in "Trust but Verify". Sam Me too! It is a worldly wisdom. Lenin did only adopt it.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify |
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September 16, 2012, 11:58:40 PM |
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This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD.
Sam
You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.
I'm a big believer in "Trust but Verify". Sam That's an attitude, but it can be hard to make sure your data isn't skewed. You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.
Do tell... What do you mean? IIRC, Slush indirectly admitted to being able to steal blocks without anyone knowing. It's even easier to steal shares. I got scammed by a pool that stole 2-3 blocks and a 'block finder's bonus'. Though, that panned out in the end, because the community is very nice. |
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September 17, 2012, 01:12:56 AM |
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You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.
Do tell... What do you mean? IIRC, Slush indirectly admitted to being able to steal blocks without anyone knowing. It's even easier to steal shares. I got scammed by a pool that stole 2-3 blocks and a 'block finder's bonus'. Though, that panned out in the end, because the community is very nice. What did I mean? What was your scamming experience and at which pool did you get scammed? You partly answered the question. |
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