#assets-otc - Contract Management System

[Bitcoin Oz]

I am trying to get my project off the ground and at the same time promote an interesting idea like asstets-otc.  Damn, now I feel like I have stepped in to a pile of polar bear shit

Do not get me wrong. I do not say that asstes-otc is crap idea, not at all. I really like the idea. The drama is the crap here

It would be good if you could run your own assets on your own server. Then you dont have to rely on any third party.

What is needed is an open source securities platform you can simply clone for your own use.

Just want to let you know, if you do your own assets directly you are the exchange and the broker. I would make sure you talk to your lawyer first if you want to take this path.

You should do that anyway even if there is a third party exchange or broker. Surely you consulted your lawyer before you listed on glbse as well ?

I did not list on GLBSE. GLBSE listed on GLBSE. They were and are the broker. That is why if anyone wants to sue anyone they have to sue GLBSE.

That doesnt make sense.

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[stochastic]

I am trying to get my project off the ground and at the same time promote an interesting idea like asstets-otc.  Damn, now I feel like I have stepped in to a pile of polar bear shit

Do not get me wrong. I do not say that asstes-otc is crap idea, not at all. I really like the idea. The drama is the crap here

It would be good if you could run your own assets on your own server. Then you dont have to rely on any third party.

What is needed is an open source securities platform you can simply clone for your own use.

Just want to let you know, if you do your own assets directly you are the exchange and the broker. I would make sure you talk to your lawyer first if you want to take this path.

You should do that anyway even if there is a third party exchange or broker. Surely you consulted your lawyer before you listed on glbse as well ?

I did not list on GLBSE. GLBSE listed on GLBSE. They were and are the broker. That is why if anyone wants to sue anyone they have to sue GLBSE.

That doesnt make sense.

Does this thread have to get derailed every few posts?

[EskimoBob]

I am trying to get my project off the ground and at the same time promote an interesting idea like asstets-otc.  Damn, now I feel like I have stepped in to a pile of polar bear shit

Do not get me wrong. I do not say that asstes-otc is crap idea, not at all. I really like the idea. The drama is the crap here

It would be good if you could run your own assets on your own server. Then you dont have to rely on any third party.

What is needed is an open source securities platform you can simply clone for your own use.

Bitcoin.me, you can and the software is available right here: https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions . It has a working GUI client too and it's available right here.  https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Moneychanger
There is a separate thread about Open Transactions so lets take it over there https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117080.0

Chaang Noi, thank you for the warning. Good news is that assetc-otc owner has no access to issuers nor investors coin. assets-otc manages contracts and helps to keep track of the shares. I had my share of word fights with piotr_n not too long ago but it's water under the bridge and all have moved on.
The asstes-otc ideas has potential (if it gets a "trading" interface    

Feature request: Send out confirmation e-mails to parties involved.
Every time contract is signed (buy, sell, div? etc) please send out a confirmation e-mail to parties involved.  Only use gpg user e-mail, do not allow this to be turned off (unless there is a situation where one party will be spammed to "death"?) 

[piotr_n]

@EskimoBob you asset has just been desisted from #assets-otc and you will never be allowed to list any assets at this service.

I sent you the history of your asset by email - all 3 transactions and both the pgp keys.

Now go licking some more goats' balls.

[piotr_n]

Your policy is to kick people out at the drop of a hat?

If they are licking your balls, or compromising my reputation - yes!

It is clearly stated at the first page of this topic: any crooks like you are immediately kicked out of the service and banned forever, at the very moment when I decide that the limit has been pushed.

[piotr_n]

So people like Eskimobob, Me, Nefario, Theymos, and who else?

Anyone who either has been dishonest or endorses people who have been dishonest.

Would it not just be faster for you to list people you are okay with?

My mother used to say that people perceive others by who they are themselves.
So I understand your rationalization of why you think that all the people except few would be dishonest, but I don't share your opinion about this and I believe that there are more honest and smart, rather than dishonest and stupid, people living on Earth...
So no, it wouldn't be faster to list few billions of people.

Also can I read your TOS?

I don't have TOS and I don't plan to have any.
Do you have a problem with that?

[Bitcoin Oz]

@EskimoBob you asset has just been desisted from #assets-otc and you will never be allowed to list any assets at this service.

I sent you the history of your asset by email - all 3 transactions and both the pgp keys.

Now go licking some more goats' balls.

dafuq ?


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[EskimoBob]

@EskimoBob you asset has just been desisted from #assets-otc and you will never be allowed to list any assets at this service.

I sent you the history of your asset by email - all 3 transactions and both the pgp keys.

Now go licking some more goats' balls.

WTF dude? I was on your side.
I have only said good things about asstest-otc and now you pull this on me?
Why?

[Bitcoin Oz]

@EskimoBob you asset has just been desisted from #assets-otc and you will never be allowed to list any assets at this service.

I sent you the history of your asset by email - all 3 transactions and both the pgp keys.

Now go licking some more goats' balls.

WTF dude? I was on your side.
I have only said good things about asstest-otc and now you pull this on me?
Why?

He is nefario, but shorter and angrier ?

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@EskimoBob you asset has just been desisted from #assets-otc and you will never be allowed to list any assets at this service.

I sent you the history of your asset by email - all 3 transactions and both the pgp keys.

Now go licking some more goats' balls.

Thanks for the information, I will stay away from your services for now on.

[piotr_n]

@EskimoBob you asset has just been desisted from #assets-otc and you will never be allowed to list any assets at this service.

I sent you the history of your asset by email - all 3 transactions and both the pgp keys.

Now go licking some more goats' balls.

Thanks for the information, I will stay away from your services for now on.

You're welcome.
Thanks for staying away from my services.

I'm really trying hard to make this project completely different from all the other shit holes, like i.e. GLBSE used to be.
And I remember very well that all of you guys used to be a huge fans of Nefario, back in the old times when I was saying that he was a thief and a liar - and in the response you were calling me a troll who did not know what he was talking about... And then I told you that the time would show... and then the time did.

So you either have not learned the lesson (meaning: extreme stupidity), or you have other reasons (most likely: dishonesty) - either way you are not welcome at assets-otc, since stupidity neither dishonesty of asset issuers is not going to be tolerated there.

Hope that's finally clear now, whose assets are welcome and whose are not, so there will be no more disappointments.

[piotr_n]

Today I released an extension for Chrome browser which automates all the gpg related stuff.

Having the extension installed in your browser + GnuPG in your OS (armed with your private key), you basically don't need to use command line anymore with assets-otc.com - just enter the password for your key when asked. It's pretty convenient.

You can read more about the extension and download it from its GitHub repo: https://github.com/piotrnar/aotc4chrome

Unfortunately some binary files are involved - it was the only way to go.
I wish it was possible to provide a web browser with PGP functionality without the binary plugins, but unfortunately our modern and super advanced HTML 5 compatible browsers support basically everything I man could imagine; drawing canvas, vector graphics, A/V streaming with advanced codecs, OpenGL acceleration, and all the other fancy shit... but not a good old fashion RSA cryptography, neither a big numbers math.
So as much as I could research it, there is no way to write an RSA library in JavaScript.
Well... technically it is possible to write such library, but it would be so slow that signing a message with a regular 2048 bits key would be taking like days or weeks to complete.

[salfter]

I wish it was possible to provide a web browser with PGP functionality without the binary plugins, but unfortunately our modern and super advanced HTML 5 compatible browsers support basically everything I man could imagine; drawing canvas, vector graphics, A/V streaming with advanced codecs, OpenGL acceleration, and all the other fancy shit... but not a good old fashion RSA cryptography, neither a big numbers math.

You might want to have a look at this:

http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/11/22/0422223/openpgp-implemented-in-javascript

The project referenced within has moved:

http://www.openpgpjs.org/

[piotr_n]

I wish it was possible to provide a web browser with PGP functionality without the binary plugins, but unfortunately our modern and super advanced HTML 5 compatible browsers support basically everything I man could imagine; drawing canvas, vector graphics, A/V streaming with advanced codecs, OpenGL acceleration, and all the other fancy shit... but not a good old fashion RSA cryptography, neither a big numbers math.

You might want to have a look at this:

http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/11/22/0422223/openpgp-implemented-in-javascript

The project referenced within has moved:

http://www.openpgpjs.org/

Thanks.
This projects looks quite promising and it performs not too bad... at least in Chrome, with 2048b key, on my i5 CPU

Unfortunately it does not work yet, because whenever I clear-sign a message that contains more than one end-of-line character, it does not verify later on.
See an example, if you wish: http://www.speedyshare.com/Gm2gU/openpgpjs-test.zip

Moreover, keeping the private keys in the browser's local storage and entering the password to unlock it via a browser's form, is not a kind of security that I would like to encourage.
So for now I will rather stick to the NAPI plugins - faster, safer and just works.