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May 13, 2015, 10:14:48 AM
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Let’s Buy a Bank

It doesn’t take much effort to learn one of the biggest struggles facing start-ups, medium-sized, and even some large Crypto-Currency and Blockchain based businesses is banking. While much progress has been made, and much enthusiasm exists, it still remains that banking, for the average "crypto-company" is a difficult, if not all-together impossible, challenge.

This year, we want to put together a plan of action, supported by the general crypto-community, to solve the problem once and for all, and permanently. It is not going to be an easy task. It requires a great deal of work, community support, and high-level advice and/or representation.

But it is an achievable goal.

Alt Convention is a gathering of investors, innovators, merchants and consumers throughout the world of what we call "alternative finance". It will take place this year from October 8 through October 10 in Batumi, Adjara, Republic of Georgia. We are working to ensure many high level government officials and banking industry persons are at the event, working face-to-face with crypto people. The core, central focus, is to establish a government and banking regime that is friendly, open, and engaging with crypto-currency and other "alternative finance" business.

We want you to be involved.

Anyone that takes even a little time to peruse various alt-currency forums will see the crypto-community is a vast assortment of highly intelligent, creative, thoughtful, and optimistic people. Among this community are some of the greatest thinkers and problem solvers on the planet today. And we are absolutely certain that an effort which funds, enables, and supports a collection of these incredible people would be able to solve the "banking problem" without failure.

So what is the game plan?

It is to create an organized effort, with a plan of attack, with plenty of funding, and with the proper personnel to achieve the end result. We propose a community, public domain project. There are some great ideas and opportunities to explore. There are numerous things to be thought-out, vetted, debated, and voted upon. And in the end, we are certain there is an actionable solution.

Throughout 2014 the crypto-community has suffered, in our opinion, a grave problem. Our assessment of the community as a whole is that it is becoming a frayed, disgruntled, and cliquish society. Be honest with yourself as you ponder the next question. When is the last time you remember the crypto-community as a whole supporting and engaging in the advancement of a core concept or principle?

The truth is, it has been a few years. We are all fighting against each other, pulling each other apart over philosophical arguments in favor of "proof of stake", "proof of work", "side-chain", "off block chain", "privacy", "compliance", etc. etc. etc. And while the community is fraying into thousands of cliques without a cohesive mission, giant corporations and foundations are forming to centralize and control the Blockchain.

It is feasible the very banking industry Bitcoin was created to revolutionize could become the industry that gains control over, and centralizes the Blockchain. If you doubt this, take a bit to look at the latest rounds of funding of various Bitcoin giants. The "gene-pool" of investors is pretty condensed. And worse, they are extremely embedded in the existing finance establishment. Is this the vision we all wish to achieve for our beloved virtual currency?

Or, would we rather an alternative?

Bitcoin was not created to birth a rebellious society. It was not created to harm or cause animosity. Rather, it was created to offer alternatives, freedom, and independence. It was created to facilitate an already existing process in a better, more efficient, and more desirable way. It is because of this that we have pulled ourselves into multiple theoretical, philosophical, and moral directions. It is because of this that governments, regulators, and existing financial institutions have taken notice and begun to develop their own game plans.

Bitcoin has birthed numerous "crypto" concepts. It is no longer just about financial transactions and payment processing. However, the adaption of wide-spread use of the technology is most easily achieved through its application in financial transactions. And this wide-spread adaption is extremely difficult without the innovators being able to operate between the crypto and real-world financial systems.

This is a problem that must be solved. And it can ONLY be solved when the entire crypto-community comes together as a whole, with a well-funded, well thought-out, well deployed game plan.

The organizers of Alt Convention are a group of individuals that enthusiastically believe and support crypto-currency. We understand and whole-heartedly desire that this incredible technology has the potential to elevate society to a much higher, freer, and more desirable level. But to do so, we must moderately transition from the age-old systems and establishments into the norms and establishments of tomorrow.

As we have discussed many issues facing the industry, so that we could put the focus upon solutions, we have come to understand that opening the path for crypto-business to engage with established banking is the core issue that must be resolved if there will ever be mass-adoption. Without this core business operations process, we feel it is an impossible pipe-dream that the various goods and services possible through "crypto" will ever be used by more than a small, marginal segment of the population.

Let’s Buy a Bank.

One of the more feasible solutions offered during our discussions is actively, as a community, to engage the current establishment. As a community, we have the intelligence, ability, and funding to jump into the real-world game of banking. Why don’t we?

It is possible, if we all come together and support one cohesive effort that we could actually engage and influence the resolution of our industry hurdles by being a very active participant in the industry. We have incredibly brilliant solutions already at our disposal. We could form a decentralized autonomous corporation and pool the funds, voices, and power to enable a solution. We could hire and engage experts in government and industry to represent and speak our voice. We could vote, and act, and react as a community together in such a way that change and progress abound.

We could come together and form an effort to buy a bank. It is not an unachievable goal. It is actually a rather easily achievable goal. There are real-world, brick and mortar banks that are fully established, fully operational, and fully connected to the global monetary system that are available for purchase less than the money that changes hands in the crypto-economy many times a day. It would be far easier for a bank to decide to work with, and put their energy and compliance efforts into the engagement of crypto-business, if the very owners of the bank were the crypto-community. A community that NEEDS to own a bank.

Now, before we go too far with this, let us state this is only one of the solutions proposed. There are many creative ways our community could come together and solve our greatest problem. We need to openly discuss, debate, and act upon ideas until we have a plan we can all support. But it is fair to say some of us really like the idea of buying a bank.

A Well Thought-Out Plan

The most important feature of the solution to the banking crisis for our industry is a well thought-out plan. Therefore, we have decided to establish multiple round-tables, panels, open forums, and other meetings every single day at Alt Convention for this very purpose. We are inviting high level government officials from various regions, high level banking industry experts, and other important individuals vital for the input and guidance required to create an achievable game plan. We are calling on the crypto-community to participate. We need you to be engaged. Your intelligent and creative input is vital to the formulation of this plan.

Please come and be an active participant in these discussions.

A Well Formed Team

In order to execute the game plan, we need a well formed team. We need team members who are respected, influential leaders in the world of finance. We need team members who are respected, influential leaders in the world of government and regulation. And we need team members who are respected, influential leaders in the world of technology, especially Blockchain and other crypto technology.

Our desire is that a team of such magnificent construction can be established, elected, and authorized to act through the various days of Alt Convention. If you are a person who can contribute to this team, we want you engaged at Alt Convention. We need you to come and lobby and debate and show why you are the person to be elected. We will form our team and enable them to act, and we will select the very best we can.

A Well-Funded Operation

The only way this well thought-out plan can be executed by this well-formed team will be for them to be well-funded. Therefore, we will actively strive to establish the necessary funding over the next several months. The creators of Alt Convention have already come together to pledge funding that could be well into the six figures and will announce their contribution at Alt Convention. Various high-net-worth individuals are also being invited to Alt Convention to consider supporting the effort that is established by the crypto-community at Alt Convention.

In addition, we need to develop a crypto-community fund where any person on earth can contribute and support this effort. We are reaching out to the crypto-community for the ideas and proper protocol that will achieve this in the best manner possible. We want to allow anyone on earth to contribute to this fund and have a voice in the development of our game plan and the nomination/election of the team members.

With the combined funding of the creators of Alt Convention, high-net-worth investors invited to the event, and the greater crypto-community, we are certain there will be a large-scale fund established to be deployed by the team that is nominated and elected at the event. Once the team is established, the keys to the fund will be handed over to them. And they will begin to execute the plan.

Your Input and Involvement

We need your input. We need your opinions, objections, ideas, suggestions, etc. But most of all, we need you to be involved. Help us flush this out and get the concept moving forward. Help us establish a list of topics to be discussed, debated, and acted upon at Alt Convention. Let’s nominate and engage individuals that could potentially construct the team. Come to Alt Convention. Get involved. Contribute. Help us solve the banking issue for the crypto-community forever.

Who knows? We may all come together and buy a bank…

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May 13, 2015, 11:27:49 AM
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Every earth citizin has an intrinsic stake in this. As a non influential person I believe this plan is achievable.

Crypto currencies are grounded in a mathematical system protocol rigorously and consistently servicing integrity needs.

This in itself is disruptive and revolutionary as compared to existing protectionist and middlemen systems. Crypto brings change that makes rigging an extremely useless activity, economically. It is the most positive approach from a common perspective, because it would be beneficial to people in politics, in business and more importantly to everyday ordinary users who happen to make up the market of the political and business arena's.
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May 13, 2015, 01:07:04 PM
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I like the idea behind Altconvention and while it is quite easy to handle bitcoins in my country something better would always be welcome.

I would love to hear opinions about this from crypto community. I am not an expert but I am common user of crypto currencies and would love to be able to use Bitcoins everywhere I go.

Lets Change the banking system!
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May 13, 2015, 10:16:20 PM
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AltConvention sounds like the event that will unify the crypto-currency community. After all we are all in this together in one form or another. It is conventions (mass gatherings of the minds) that will change the world, for real. Bravo, AltConvetion, lets make it happen.

We have the ability to come together because of a great idea. After all, that's how we all got here in the first place.
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May 13, 2015, 10:28:01 PM
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Seems like a long shot
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May 14, 2015, 02:24:32 AM
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Lets do what we can to make this thing work. Cryptocurrency is the Future...let's establish it well. I'm looking forward to the Alt Convention! Sounds Very interesting!
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May 14, 2015, 07:12:05 AM
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Seems like a long shot

Why do you think this? I would love input. Especially constructive criticism and potential obstacles we need to address. I mean, any logical thought can easily deduct the obvious facts. Such as the fact there is a need for certain funding, people that are experienced in banking, legal and registry hurdles, etc. However, we are working already to put together the stuff that could make it happen. And, in my opinion, Georgia may just be the country to do it.

I currently live in Batumi. It is in the autonomous republic of Adjara. Adjara was established to be an autonomous region with certain legal aspects that could work for crypto. For example, it is a region where online and brick-n-mortar casinos/gambling are legal and actually encouraged. So, the govt and banks here are friendly to online gambling. Another thing, there is the Poti Free Trade Zone. It is a place where anyone can establish a business that is 100% TAX FREE!! That means no income tax, no VAT, no import/export tariffs, no employment taxes, absolutely ZERO taxes.

Oh, and unlike the Isle of Man, or Hong Kong, or Singapore, or other "crypto-friendly" regions, it only takes about 6 hours and about $100 to form a legal business here in Batumi. #8 in the world for ease of doing business. I have been here for 1 year researching and laying the ground work for political, government, and banking opportunities for crypto in Georgia. I honestly can say that if the crypto community would get involved, we have a HUGE chance!
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May 14, 2015, 05:18:10 PM
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Is there a too long; didn't read version of this?
Sorry but just by looking at it I get a headache.
Or is that because I had too much coffee?  Roll Eyes
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May 15, 2015, 02:54:28 AM
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Is there a too long; didn't read version of this?
Sorry but just by looking at it I get a headache.
Or is that because I had too much coffee?  Roll Eyes

LOL...Must be too much coffee

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May 15, 2015, 06:57:52 AM
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At what price would you sell a money printer?
Or, how much food would I have to give you, for you to give me your source of unlimited food?

Not sure exactly if you are referring to the power of the Central Bank or if you are trying to state that most banks would not sell. However, if you do some research you will see there are many brick and mortar banks around the world that are for sale, or that could be for sale. The lowest price I have seen for a real, established, functioning brick and mortar bank is under $100,000 USD. However, I feel a truly realistic endeavor would want to seek a more established and more valuable target.
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Fair enough but wouldn't you also need a banking license?
If you can make it work then more power to you Smiley I just thought it would have been harder than that. Wouldn't you need a certain amount of capital in reserve as well to begin with? I would have thought that would've needed to be in the millions, also insurance etc.
I just thought there would be more to it.

Zuckerberg is a billionaire, why hasn't he bought his own bank for under $100,000 and given Facebook infinite finance.
If it can be done then forget crypto currency, buy a bank and make a loan to cover the national debt then just write it off or let the bank implode. Poof, no more national debt!

If it really is possible then I hope you achieve it dude Smiley

Not sure if you bothered to read the original post at the beginning of this thread. If you did, you would understand this is not a complete plan. This is an idea, one of many, to get crypto people to the table with heads of state, senior government officials, and banking industry executives and regulators. The idea to buy a bank is one of the ideas that could enable the further goal of establishing a crypto-friendly government/banking regime so that businesses developing in this space can establish, develop, and grow in a more reasonable environment.

Buying a bank is a complicated project. One that would require the right team, investors, capital, compliance, etc. However, it is not an impossible task. Millions of banks exist in the world today. Somehow, someone established each of them. If it has been done millions of times over in the past, why do you suddenly think it could not be done again?

As you stated regarding Zukerberg and somehow implying that by owning a bank you can print unlimited money, it is obvious you don't understand the banking/finance industry. Just because a person owns a bank does not mean they can suddenly print unlimited money. There are rules, regulations, policies, and other limitations that must be adhered to if one wishes to establish/buy and operate a bank in the modern world.
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May 15, 2015, 11:30:42 AM
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Not sure exactly if you are referring to the power of the Central Bank or if you are trying to state that most banks would not sell. However, if you do some research you will see there are many brick and mortar banks around the world that are for sale, or that could be for sale. The lowest price I have seen for a real, established, functioning brick and mortar bank is under $100,000 USD. However, I feel a truly realistic endeavor would want to seek a more established and more valuable target.
Fair enough but wouldn't you also need a banking license?
If you can make it work then more power to you Smiley I just thought it would have been harder than that. Wouldn't you need a certain amount of capital in reserve as well to begin with? I would have thought that would've needed to be in the millions, also insurance etc.
I just thought there would be more to it.

Zuckerberg is a billionaire, why hasn't he bought his own bank for under $100,000 and given Facebook infinite finance.
If it can be done then forget crypto currency, buy a bank and make a loan to cover the national debt then just write it off or let the bank implode. Poof, no more national debt!

If it really is possible then I hope you achieve it dude Smiley

You do realize that it is not banks that print money, it is the government mints. Banks money come from investors putting it in there. That is why banks have gone under, if all the investors suddenly want their money the bank cannot supply it because it has already lent it out.

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May 15, 2015, 12:02:29 PM
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You do realize that it is not banks that print money, it is the government mints. Banks money come from investors putting it in there. That is why banks have gone under, if all the investors suddenly want their money the bank cannot supply it because it has already lent it out.
As I understand it, banks create money each time a loan is made.
https://youtu.be/iFDe5kUUyT0?t=1m21s
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You do realize that it is not banks that print money, it is the government mints. Banks money come from investors putting it in there. That is why banks have gone under, if all the investors suddenly want their money the bank cannot supply it because it has already lent it out.
As I understand it, banks create money each time a loan is made.
https://youtu.be/iFDe5kUUyT0?t=1m21s

I think you are confused between central banks and retail banks.

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May 15, 2015, 09:33:39 PM
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Personally i am in crypto to avoid banking.Mowwewill have first in USA,dengerous for me

What your bank will like to offer,some banking products like cards,exchange crypto to fiat
now in Europe it is preety easy to exchange,but i think in russian speaking country,ex russia republic and russia it may works

Iif you are from Georgia,do you what is a situation in ex russia republic.whatservices people are using,exchanges,wallets.I ve been reading that Ukraineis  now very friendly for crypto,How is in Georgia
I work for a kind economy system,weare putting special attantion in that countries,i also looking for legit contacts from thatcountries for coparation,it is serious
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You do realize that it is not banks that print money, it is the government mints. Banks money come from investors putting it in there. That is why banks have gone under, if all the investors suddenly want their money the bank cannot supply it because it has already lent it out.
As I understand it, banks create money each time a loan is made.
https://youtu.be/iFDe5kUUyT0?t=1m21s

I think you are confused between central banks and retail banks.

The money in circulation are "printed" (regulated) only by the Central Banks of one country. The Central Banks (in the democratic countries) have nothing to do with the Governments of the Country. While the most of times the Central Banks and the Governments are in "war" with each other. The Government want (need) money for the investments and Central Banks (which are the responsible for the control of the inflation) inhibit this desire because to much money (the amount needed in circulation is calculated by the appropriate economics formulas) increase the inflation.

The Central Banks are independent in every aspect (have their own "government" which manage the entire "life" of the Central Bank). This kind of banks are called "first level banks". While the other banks (commercial, retail, agricultural, online etc) which are called 'second level banks' use their money to earn money like every other entrepreneurship initiative.

I don't think it is easy to buy a bank. First of all needed capital (million of dollars) to buy and to make it operative. In my country only to create a second level bank is needed (if I remember right) 2-3 million us dollar as a founding capital. Capital which must be reflected if this bank will be sold. Every country determines different amounts of this initial capital but in every occasion it is not an insignificant amount.

So it is not easy to own a second level bank. Anyhow I wish good luck to this initiative.

EDIT:

The initial capital to create a second level bank in my country is not 2-3 million us dollar but about 8 million us dollar. Money which must be deposited in the Central Bank of my country. It was increased by the times I remembered this fact.
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May 16, 2015, 12:08:49 PM
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Personally i am in crypto to avoid banking.Mowwewill have first in USA,dengerous for me

What your bank will like to offer,some banking products like cards,exchange crypto to fiat
now in Europe it is preety easy to exchange,but i think in russian speaking country,ex russia republic and russia it may works

Iif you are from Georgia,do you what is a situation in ex russia republic.whatservices people are using,exchanges,wallets.I ve been reading that Ukraineis  now very friendly for crypto,How is in Georgia
I work for a kind economy system,weare putting special attantion in that countries,i also looking for legit contacts from thatcountries for coparation,it is serious
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I am from Austin Texas, but have been living and working in Batumi, Georgia Republic for over 1 year now. I used to own a dev center in Kharkiv Ukraine for about 20 years. 2 years ago, when things began to really heat up in Ukraine because of the Russian meddling and bullying, we decided to look around for a better place to move our dev center. I traveled all around the world looking at different governments and living situations because I also want to establish a crypto based business.

During my research I looked at Canada, the USA, UK, Australia, Bali, Hong Kong, Singapore, and various other countries in Europe, Asia, and South America. I was looking for a place where it would be possible to establish and operate a crypto business and work closely with government to move policy that would enable crypto business to bank, develop and thrive. I eventually found Georgia to be ideal.

Georgia is an interesting country. It is one of the safest countries in the world. I think I heard that sometime last year there was a murder in the capital, and I heard that some lady had some money stolen from her purse somewhere, but that is about the extent of the crime here. So, needless to say, the safety here is amazing, and that is a plus.

Over the past 10 years Georgia has gone from a corrupt, dangerous, crime ridden country (as all countries controlled by the Kremlin tend to be) to one of the top 10 countries in the world for lack of corruption, transparency in their government and police force, and safety. Additionally, they are #11 in the world for ease of doing business. There are 2 tax free "havens" in Georgia as well. And you can establish a business here in about 1 hour for about $100 USD. The country has a flat tax of 18% on imports or sales. It is a cool tax system because you only pay the 18% once, not double as in most European and American countries. In other words, say you import something. You pay 18% when you acquire the goods. Then, you sell them without any VAT, customers don't bear the burden. Or, if you choose to import without 18% tariff then you charge the 18% when you sell the goods. So, all goods are only taxed one time. Either when the merchant acquires them, or when they sell them, not both times. If your business earns profit, depending on how it is structured and if you located it in a tax free zone, you either pay 5% dividend tax on your earnings, or ZERO tax on your earnings. So, from a taxation standpoint Georgia is WAY better than doing business in Europe, Asia, or North America.

My honest opinion is that doing business in Georgia is better than doing business in any country on earth. Government is amazing, safety is amazing, the people are amazing, and taxation is amazing.

Now, for crypto. Georgia is an emerging country. It has a fairly "young" government with "young" policies. And, best of all it does not answer to London, Moscow, Beijing, Brussels, or Washington DC. In other words, they make their own rules and apply them. They are western leaning. They are working toward EU membership, Visa free integration with EU, and even potential NATO membership. They are progressive and open minded and want to attract business and investment. And, they are capable to sit with leaders of the crypto community and charter a regime that would allow, foster, and develop crypto businesses. I especially think we have excellent banking opportunities here too.

So, as you can tell, while everyone has been wasting their time with Hong Kong, Isle of Man, and other places trying to figure out where to move their crypto businesses, I have been exploring a little known gem that could be the answer. I really wish other crypto people would engage them with me. :-)

EDIT:

I forgot to mention one other very important aspect about Georgia. The particular part of Georgia where I live is in the Autonomous Republic of Adjara. It is a place that is a trade zone for CASINOS and ONLINE GAMING/GAMBLING businesses...
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May 16, 2015, 02:48:47 PM
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Personally i am in crypto to avoid banking.Mowwewill have first in USA,dengerous for me

What your bank will like to offer,some banking products like cards,exchange crypto to fiat
now in Europe it is preety easy to exchange,but i think in russian speaking country,ex russia republic and russia it may works

Iif you are from Georgia,do you what is a situation in ex russia republic.whatservices people are using,exchanges,wallets.I ve been reading that Ukraineis  now very friendly for crypto,How is in Georgia
I work for a kind economy system,weare putting special attantion in that countries,i also looking for legit contacts from thatcountries for coparation,it is serious
Regards
P



I am from Austin Texas, but have been living and working in Batumi, Georgia Republic for over 1 year now. I used to own a dev center in Kharkiv Ukraine for about 20 years. 2 years ago, when things began to really heat up in Ukraine because of the Russian meddling and bullying, we decided to look around for a better place to move our dev center. I traveled all around the world looking at different governments and living situations because I also want to establish a crypto based business.

During my research I looked at Canada, the USA, UK, Australia, Bali, Hong Kong, Singapore, and various other countries in Europe, Asia, and South America. I was looking for a place where it would be possible to establish and operate a crypto business and work closely with government to move policy that would enable crypto business to bank, develop and thrive. I eventually found Georgia to be ideal.

Georgia is an interesting country. It is one of the safest countries in the world. I think I heard that sometime last year there was a murder in the capital, and I heard that some lady had some money stolen from her purse somewhere, but that is about the extent of the crime here. So, needless to say, the safety here is amazing, and that is a plus.

Over the past 10 years Georgia has gone from a corrupt, dangerous, crime ridden country (as all countries controlled by the Kremlin tend to be) to one of the top 10 countries in the world for lack of corruption, transparency in their government and police force, and safety. Additionally, they are #11 in the world for ease of doing business. There are 2 tax free "havens" in Georgia as well. And you can establish a business here in about 1 hour for about $100 USD. The country has a flat tax of 18% on imports or sales. It is a cool tax system because you only pay the 18% once, not double as in most European and American countries. In other words, say you import something. You pay 18% when you acquire the goods. Then, you sell them without any VAT, customers don't bear the burden. Or, if you choose to import without 18% tariff then you charge the 18% when you sell the goods. So, all goods are only taxed one time. Either when the merchant acquires them, or when they sell them, not both times. If your business earns profit, depending on how it is structured and if you located it in a tax free zone, you either pay 5% dividend tax on your earnings, or ZERO tax on your earnings. So, from a taxation standpoint Georgia is WAY better than doing business in Europe, Asia, or North America.

My honest opinion is that doing business in Georgia is better than doing business in any country on earth. Government is amazing, safety is amazing, the people are amazing, and taxation is amazing.

Now, for crypto. Georgia is an emerging country. It has a fairly "young" government with "young" policies. And, best of all it does not answer to London, Moscow, Beijing, Brussels, or Washington DC. In other words, they make their own rules and apply them. They are western leaning. They are working toward EU membership, Visa free integration with EU, and even potential NATO membership. They are progressive and open minded and want to attract business and investment. And, they are capable to sit with leaders of the crypto community and charter a regime that would allow, foster, and develop crypto businesses. I especially think we have excellent banking opportunities here too.

So, as you can tell, while everyone has been wasting their time with Hong Kong, Isle of Man, and other places trying to figure out where to move their crypto businesses, I have been exploring a little known gem that could be the answer. I really wish other crypto people would engage them with me. :-)

EDIT:

I forgot to mention one other very important aspect about Georgia. The particular part of Georgia where I live is in the Autonomous Republic of Adjara. It is a place that is a trade zone for CASINOS and ONLINE GAMING/GAMBLING businesses...

Sounds great to me,thay really know how to boost economy.i can say Georgia.dont be member of EU

it is enough to have free trade agreement

i will like to get in touch with you.lets connect

When i am in that part of Europe,that i can see what wealth really is,
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May 16, 2015, 02:58:44 PM
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 The developer of that new kind of econy system what i am talking about,is well experiencing in investment,financial and economy,and he is really great texh developer
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I wonder where OP will find the funds...

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