BITMAIN AntMiner APW3-12-1600 PSU Series

[philipma1957]

I also wouldn't mind playing around with one, but I don't have the money to spend on stuff I don't need. I wonder how many they'd sell if it had your stamp of approval? Or conversely, how many they specifically wouldn't sell if it had your stamp of rejection? Maybe they're not willing to make that bet. Or maybe they figure they're selling enough of them anyway that it's not worth coordinationg a handoff.

Always hard to tell.  Some gear I said was great sold well.

Many times newer people will trust me due to my 11 year ebay record.

I also post on:

anandtech
macrumors
123macmini
parts-express tech-talk
I do reviews for newegg

I have a decent rep on the net since 1998 which sometimes is longer then the person reading the posts.



    My gut feeling is we are going to see a big shift in mining.   Big farms 10ph or more are looking at  a huge hit if price does not come up.
I really think putting a chip or two in gear that always runs will take off.
It would avoid the hafling problem coming up.
I have 3 cable boxes and a cable modem they are 24/7/365. Some small chips may be the way to go.

It could be a lot of fun for you in a few years.  Getting  scrapped routers with super good chips and building .05 watt per gh miners.

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[sidehack]

I don't like the idea of putting a few chips in every device. It becomes almost the same arguments that everyone has against USB stick miners, with the addition of not being able to actually play with it making the idea less attractive. One main concern I have is that the manufacturer won't tell the customer it's in there, and the customer may not care to spend the extra $2 a month in power even if he knows about it, but that's fairly evil by my standards regardless. Then there's the concern over locked pools. If you can find a more efficient, reliable and still actually fully usable way to make a miner than to actually make a dedicated miner, sure. But if companies can hide things from their customers and thereby increase profits, odds are good that they will. I also don't mind seeing big farms take a hit, but I don't want to see them take a hit because they're being replaced by big dispersed farms with no power costs. But there's plenty of that discussion going on in at least two or three other threads already.

[Tupsu]

and yet to see any testing on this by anyone on any gear.

which shows the current state of home mining is pretty much dead at the moment.

 I have three pieces  APW3-12-1600 PSU.

 APW3-12-1600 do not have power switch.  I do not like that.

APW3-12-1600 powered up 3 x Antminer S5 and this is good.

[philipma1957]

and yet to see any testing on this by anyone on any gear.

which shows the current state of home mining is pretty much dead at the moment.

 I have three pieces  APW3-12-1600 PSU.

 APW3-12-1600 do not have power switch.  I do not like that.

APW3-12-1600 powered up 3 x Antminer S5 and this is good.

any idea of efficiency ?  

 I was afraid it would be short   of power to do 3 s-5's at 1150gh freq 350  .

 Please post details if you can.

[Tupsu]

any idea of efficiency ?  

 I was afraid it would be short   of power to do 3 s-5's at 1150gh freq 350  .

 Please post details if you can.

Tried it only with one PSU of the 4 hours, and is efficiency is not  bad.

1700 W at  223/216 V

Bad was miners GH/S(avg).  
In this you are right. It would be short   of power to do 3 s-5's at 1150gh freq 350  .


1575W at freq 325

1450W at freq 300

1610 W at freq   331,25M

[NotFuzzyWarm]

and yet to see any testing on this by anyone on any gear.

which shows the current state of home mining is pretty much dead at the moment.

Or most folks already are well stocked with HP and/or IBM server supplies to take care of immediate future needs (like me)  

But ja, unless folks have several 'spare' kw to use at home and a way to take care of the heat, home mining could well be kaput. Now, that doesn't mean that the only customers left for Bitmain and any other mfgrs still around will be only Peta-farms, just that it's now past the hobbyist stage and in the hands of folks who can afford & locate larger setups.

[philipma1957]

and yet to see any testing on this by anyone on any gear.

which shows the current state of home mining is pretty much dead at the moment.

Or most folks already are well stocked with HP and/or IBM server supplies to take care of immediate future needs (like me)  

But ja, unless folks have several 'spare' kw to use at home and a way to take care of the heat, home mining could well be kaput. That doesn't mean that only Peta-pharms will be Bitmain and any other mfgrs left as customers, just that it's now past the hobbyist stage and in the hands of folks that can afford & locate larger setups.

yeah for me I have summer rates of 16.9 cents add in 1.1 cents and at 18 cents home mining is done until oct 1  rates drop to 13.3 cents and with the heat made take off 3.3 cents and from oct 1 to june 1

 I am at 10 cents.

I have 1 spot to mine at 3.2  cents in the summer and 2.4 cents in the winter but my max power there is 1kwatt.
I am running 3 s-3's slight under clock.

any other renting is from rentals see sig.

please note my sig is a gift to west-nice hash and ck solopool

[NotFuzzyWarm]

and yet to see any testing on this by anyone on any gear.

which shows the current state of home mining is pretty much dead at the moment.

Or most folks already are well stocked with HP and/or IBM server supplies to take care of immediate future needs (like me)  

But ja, unless folks have several 'spare' kw to use at home and a way to take care of the heat, home mining could well be kaput. That doesn't mean that only Peta-pharms will be Bitmain and any other mfgrs left as customers, just that it's now past the hobbyist stage and in the hands of folks that can afford & locate larger setups.

yeah for me I have summer rates of 16.9 cents add in 1.1 cents and at 18 cents home mining is done until oct 1  rates drop to 13.3 cents and with the heat made take off 3.3 cents and from oct 1 to june 1

 I am at 10 cents.

I have 1 spot to mine at 3.2  cents in the summer and 2.4 cents in the winter but my max power there is 1kwatt.
I am running 3 s-3's slight under clock.

any other renting is from rentals see sig.

please note my sig is a gift to west-nice hash and ck solopool

Heh heh.. I'm one of the lucky ones. I pay 15 cents kW-hr at home where I run 4.4Ths but at work my electric used for miners is 'free' so have 28Ths running there.  Our light-industrial rate there is 7.5 cents/kW-hr.
Nice being one of the owners

[fullintegrity]

Is this plug n play, or am i going to get this and have to go buy a power cord for it?
im in US, so i assume i am ok with the 205V minimum?
Thanks

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Is this plug n play, or am i going to get this and have to go buy a power cord for it?
im in US, so i assume i am ok with the 205V minimum?
Thanks

As Bitmain states in the product description, we need to supply our own cord.
Gets them off the hook in supporting the gazillion different national plug types out there.

If you are willing to cut the male end off of a 14ga 110v IEC cord and replace it with a 6-15P that can be used. Barring that try Amazon/eBay or here http://www.stayonline.com/208v-straight-blade-cords.aspx

[notlist3d]

Is this plug n play, or am i going to get this and have to go buy a power cord for it?
im in US, so i assume i am ok with the 205V minimum?
Thanks

As Bitmain states in the product description, we need to supply our own cord.
Gets them off the hook in supporting the gazillion different national plug types out there.

If you are willing to cut the male end off of a 14ga 110v IEC cord and replace it with a 6-15P that can be used. Barring that try Amazon/eBay or here http://www.stayonline.com/208v-straight-blade-cords.aspx

With being in US you would need to check and see to make sure your above 110/120.  It warns if "The PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage."

Be careful (call electrician if feel uncertain with electricity).   But you can tell by looking in your breaker box and looking at the breakers. Specifically the breaker being used the the area where this PSU will be plugged in.  For myself I had 120 and got 240 added in via a new breaker and wire. 

[FreeFelix]

Man, some of you guys are fucking annoying. Get off of Dogie's case, or start a thread dedicated to Dogie bashing so you folks can congregate there and circle jerk each other in privacy so we don't have to continually read your fucking useless drivel.

Since none of you geniuses actually have one of these, I'll comment on them. I've got 3 S4+, and so far they're running great. Not a single issue. They seem much better than what came with S4s, by a long shot. Will they die in 2 months? Who the fuck knows. If BITMAIN is serious about these PSUs, they should send a sample to Oklahoma Wolf over at jonnyguru.com. He'll reveal the truth about this PSU in short order. (BITMAIN: If you're interested in this, I can set it up... Just PM me)

About those 2 pictures posted earlier... The first has nothing to even do with the PSU, it's a heat sink fin loose in the main S4 case. BITMAIN QC failure for sure, things like that are hardware killers. The second picture is of a pinched 12V fan wire inside the PSU. Yep, another QC issue, but one that falls on the PSU OEM, not BITMAIN. BITMAIN can't be expected to open up every PSU to check them out for physical damage, in fact they'd probably cause more problems than they'd catch if they did. What that picture tells me, is that the short circuit protection works perfectly in that PSU, and it saved the PSU from failure. You'd be a fool to think this only happens to BITMAIN hardware. Pinched wires have happened with Delta PSUs, Flextronic PSUs, Seasonic PSUs, etc... Shit happens. It'll just happen much less with the big boys I just mentioned.

Now, this PSU is a no-go for me. 18AWG wires and unknown quality means I'll stick to used server hardware made by the likes of Delta.

Which would you use to replace the PSU that has stopped working in an S4. The PSU is connected by bolts to the board not a PCI

[dogie]

Man, some of you guys are fucking annoying. Get off of Dogie's case, or start a thread dedicated to Dogie bashing so you folks can congregate there and circle jerk each other in privacy so we don't have to continually read your fucking useless drivel.

Since none of you geniuses actually have one of these, I'll comment on them. I've got 3 S4+, and so far they're running great. Not a single issue. They seem much better than what came with S4s, by a long shot. Will they die in 2 months? Who the fuck knows. If BITMAIN is serious about these PSUs, they should send a sample to Oklahoma Wolf over at jonnyguru.com. He'll reveal the truth about this PSU in short order. (BITMAIN: If you're interested in this, I can set it up... Just PM me)

About those 2 pictures posted earlier... The first has nothing to even do with the PSU, it's a heat sink fin loose in the main S4 case. BITMAIN QC failure for sure, things like that are hardware killers. The second picture is of a pinched 12V fan wire inside the PSU. Yep, another QC issue, but one that falls on the PSU OEM, not BITMAIN. BITMAIN can't be expected to open up every PSU to check them out for physical damage, in fact they'd probably cause more problems than they'd catch if they did. What that picture tells me, is that the short circuit protection works perfectly in that PSU, and it saved the PSU from failure. You'd be a fool to think this only happens to BITMAIN hardware. Pinched wires have happened with Delta PSUs, Flextronic PSUs, Seasonic PSUs, etc... Shit happens. It'll just happen much less with the big boys I just mentioned.

Now, this PSU is a no-go for me. 18AWG wires and unknown quality means I'll stick to used server hardware made by the likes of Delta.

Which would you use to replace the PSU that has stopped working in an S4. The PSU is connected by bolts to the board not a PCI

DPS-2000 + breakout board + S4's cables. You'll have to check if the breakout board has a limit per wire channel, I don't remember one.

[Tupsu]

DPS-2000 + breakout board + S4's cables. You'll have to check if the breakout board has a limit per wire channel, I don't remember one.

Ohh dog-ie. You produce a pure loss for your  owner Bitmain with your barking.  

BITMAIN AntMiner APW3-12-1600 PSU Series  hat is own separate power board to connect the PCI-E cables with S4 cables.

Named S4 Power_Board V1.0

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Named S4 Power_Board V1.0

https://i.imgur.com/tmMMvNO.jpg

wtf am I to do with that?

[fullintegrity]

I just ordered 4 new S5's, (which im going to assume they were running, because they do not look fresh off the factory line- but they hash  ok i guess) and also 2 of these PSU APW3-12-1600-B2 from bitmaintech. My third purchase, after the S3 and S5's i already have.
My issue is that upon pluggin the psu in, the fan comes on, but fails to even light up the S5, which i checked the actual s5 unit with another PSU i have working on another S5 that i already have. How possible could it be that i had 2 BAD PSU sent? Odds of that are wierd.
I sent a ticket in last night and this am woke to this:
Hi,
please confirm what's the voltage from the wall in your side.
The PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage.
Please confirm whether it's due to this issue.

I wrote back that im in the US, upper middle class neighborhood with a house built in the late 90's.
Power is fine on my side, even as i told them that the unit works with my own PSU's and not my power issue, but a FAULTY PSU by them.
I hope they pay for the freight for return and EITHER A REPLACEMENT AT NO COST TO ME, or just give me back my frickin btc, ill go back to using the 750W like the other 3 i have working just great.

- AS OF RIGHT NOW, I GIVE THESE UNITS A FLAT THUMBS DOWN. well see if that changes with the Bitmain Customer Support.

-For what its worth in my two cent mining ops

[sidehack]

An upper-middle-class house in the US will not have 240V common circuits, no matter when it was built. DId you wire in 240V outlets specifically, or are you running it off a repurposed dedicated AC or dryer plug or something?

[alh]

I assume you have tried taking one of your "new" (i.e. recently arrived) S5's and swapped it in place of a working S5? You just want to make sure that the S5 is functional, and not a broken PSU.

[notlist3d]

An upper-middle-class house in the US will not have 240V common circuits, no matter when it was built. DId you wire in 240V outlets specifically, or are you running it off a repurposed dedicated AC or dryer plug or something?

Sidehack is very right with most US houses they normally do not put in 220/240 for devices unless you had asked when being built or added it on.   Chances are you have a outlet that's 220/240 for your washer/dryer and maybe a stove depending on settings.

But you will need a 220/240 breaker with higher guage wire installed most likely to mine with the PSU's.  They need the extra power to be able to boot up, that's why warn about "The PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage."

As always be careful with electrictricity but if you have a nice power multimeter you can tell at the outlet what it's putting out.  If you do not have one you can tell by finding the breaker used for that outlet.

[klondike_bar]

I just ordered 2 of these PSU APW3-12-1600-B2 from bitmaintech.
My issue is that upon pluggin the psu in, the fan comes on, but fails to even light up the S5, which i checked the actual s5 unit with another PSU i have working on another S5 that i already have. How possible could it be that i had 2 BAD PSU sent? Odds of that are wierd.
I sent a ticket in last night and this am woke to this:
Hi,
please confirm what's the voltage from the wall in your side.
The PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage.
Please confirm whether it's due to this issue.

I wrote back that im in the US, upper middle class neighborhood with a house built in the late 90's.
Power is fine on my side, even as i told them that the unit works with my own PSU's and not my power issue, but a FAULTY PSU by them.
I hope they pay for the freight for return and EITHER A REPLACEMENT AT NO COST TO ME, or just give me back my frickin btc, ill go back to using the 750W like the other 3 i have working just great.

sounds like you dont know the difference between 'MINIMUM OF 205 VOLTS' and a typical 115V outlet.  obviously a 240V-only device wont work on 115V. Thats like trying to plug in a microwave to your 240V dryer outlet (hint: it will probably release smoke)

please confirm that you are either using a correct outlet, or simply did not read the PSU description properly before ordering