PICISI (Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas)

[Armis]

This is going nowhere.  You know what you're doing is wrong (and illegal) but you won't change anything because you have a "get of jail free" card in the form of anonymity.  You don't care if most people initially think you're a charity because it helps with donations.  You're trying to see if you can build community support to continue your long con - but I believe this community is smarter than you think.

A good scam buster knows when to step back and let the scammer continue to damage himself.  That is what I'm going to do.  I'm still going to contact your sponsors/supporters (I haven't yet) and link them to the PICSIS website I'm building so you can't fool more gullible people.  This will happen in the next couple days. (If you have a problem with this, you'll have to step out of the shadows and deal with me legally, like an non-scamming adult.)

But I'm done arguing in circles with you.  WHEN YOU ARE READY to address the community's issues, back your words up and make changes, contact me and I'll help you.  But don't contact me until you are sincere about your desire to do things the proper, trustworthy way.

There is absolutely nothing illegal, wrong, improper, inappropriate, or misleading about what I'm doing.   However, what you did when you maligned my username's character, and continue to say that the plan is a scam could be argued is illegal, is certainly wrong, improper, inappropriate, and certainly misleading, particular with the mountain of evidence building in this very thread.  Every time I tell you the truth and you ignore it, or deny it, or choose to not believe it is an opportunity you pass up on to recognize the truth.

Vod, your actions were misguided and wrong, you went with you gut (not based on the evidence) and it turns out that you were actually wrong.  If you honestly believe is a scam why don't you promise to resign Vod username from bitcointalk once PICISI is launched.   If you really, truly believe that something is wrong or worse illegal why don't you bet your Vod username so that if I prove you wrong you will allow the site admin to retire Vod.  I know you are wrong and I know you are damaging me with this mess but you have nothing to lose, so why don't you do the sporting thing and put the Vod username up.

We could setup the parameters right here in this thread.  So that if x,y, and z take place thereby proving that PICISI is 100% legitimate then Vod is GONE.

What do you say Vod do you believe in you enough to bet on your beliefs?  

I already know I'm going to win, and I think you know you are going to lose what it going to be?  What's your word worth, are you willing to Guarantee your accusation with your membership -- you guarantee that what you said about PICISI is true or you promise to resign from Bitcointalk.org



You said: "A good scam buster knows when to step back and let the scammer continue to damage himself.  That is what I'm going to do.  I'm still going to contact your sponsors/supporters (I haven't yet) and link them to the PICSIS website I'm building so you can't fool more gullible people.  This will happen in the next couple days. (If you have a problem with this, you'll have to step out of the shadows and deal with me legally, like an non-scamming adult.)"


You sure do know how to dig a hole for yourself, your beliefs are that strong eh, well promise to retire Vod if I prove you wrong.



You said: "But I'm done arguing in circles with you.  WHEN YOU ARE READY to address the community's issues, back your words up and make changes, contact me and I'll help you.  But don't contact me until you are sincere about your desire to do things the proper, trustworthy way."


I'm not going to let anyone extort anything from me that I'm not prepared to share.  You should be a shames of yourself for making the demand.

[Armis]

words backed by nothing - not worth reading

This is going nowhere.  You know what you're doing is wrong (and illegal) but you won't change anything because you have a "get of jail free" card in the form of anonymity.  You don't care if most people initially think you're a charity because it helps with donations.  You're trying to see if you can build community support to continue your long con - but I believe this community is smarter than you think.

A good scam buster knows when to step back and let the scammer continue to damage himself.  That is what I'm going to do.  I'm still going to contact your sponsors/supporters (I haven't yet) and link them to the PICSIS website I'm building so you can't fool more gullible people.  This will happen in the next couple days week (I have an important exam on Tuesday I need to study for). (If you have a problem with this, you'll have to step out of the shadows and deal with me legally, like an non-scamming adult.)

But I'm done arguing in circles with you.  WHEN YOU ARE READY to address the community's issues, back your words up and make changes, contact me and I'll help you.  But don't contact me until you are sincere about your desire to do things the proper, trustworthy way.

notice that that thread was locked yesterday after Vod made his entry and was apparently unlocked to create the new post then relocked after the post.
the syntax looks familiar.

[redsn0w]

I have only noticed 'he' has wrong to write the forum username : Offical PICISI.

This is the quoted post for reference:

This post serves as my legal claim as the official bitcointalk account of the official PICISI (pronounced Pickissy) website.  I believe I am the first account to make this claim.

The website will be a parody/education tool on long term cons using a non-reversible currency.  It will discuss the methods and tactics used by some of bitcoin's most nefarious long con scammers.  I will announce the website address at the end of next week.

Note: This claim and forum account is backed by the Fair Use right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Additional Nice Guy Note:  I am offering until the end of next week to allow for any opposing claims.  If there are legal documents presented to me by the end of next week, showing proof of a legitimate company registration in the same name, I will withdraw my claim, even though I am not legally required to.  (I'm just a nice guy.)

One could view this as a demand to anonymous scammers to stop collecting charitable donations under imaginary companies (under the promise they will one day register), and do things the legal and proper way.  If this grace period has passed, and no one presents an opposing claim, I will be registering the PICISI trademark myself and will aggressively defend my works.

Further updates will be posted on this thread, which is locked to prevent walls of worthless copy/paste PR garbage.

an archive page: https://archive.is/H9KJm  (for security).

[PICISI]

For those wonderings
This is the real and only Official PICISI account. From the beginning, we've made it clear, that is was the only account linked Officially to PICISI.

[djnocide]

isn't it weird that someone who is claiming an other member is a scammer, has created a false account of the Project he accuse of being a scam?

Doesn't look right.

Everything can be answered when it's not a scam, he didn't asked. He just put false accusations.

[PICISI]

Look at my post history, this account didn't appear to falsely accuse a project. Show proofs and stop being a cry baby. You don't answer questions and you look your thread. There's no credibility in your actions so far. Try to take the identity of an other entity is what scammer might be pushed to do. Are you a scammer VOD?

[redsn0w]

Wait... it is really strange. Why that account has posted in the Vod's thread (I remember to have seen it locked)  ? It is a really immature comportment if it was discovered that the account is managed by Vod itself to make more confusion about this situation.

[mashcom]

isn't it weird that someone who is claiming an other member is a scammer, has created a false account of the Project he accuse of being a scam?

Doesn't look right.

Everything can be answered when it's not a scam, he didn't asked. He just put false accusations.

This may help answer your question:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060460.msg11392537#msg11392537

We have created this account to stop the trademark poaching from the bitcointak username PICISI.  He does NOT represent our upcoming website or our company.

There's no credibility in your actions so far.

Hypocrite much?  You are using an anonymous account to poach our company name and solicit fraudulent donations in our company name.  No credibility in that and it makes us look bad.

We've generously given you a week.  Hope you make use of it!   Talk to you then.

The OFFICIAL PICISI account.

you are vod.

[Quickseller]

-snip-

Vod, is this your doings? Creating imposter accounts that are meant to appear be an account associated with someone that takes money from others (be it donations or otherwise) is generally considered scammy behavior. Although this may or may not be the intention, it would be very easy to use this account to get Armis's customers/sponsors/donators to give you money when that is not the intention.

Look at my post history, this account didn't appear to falsely accuse a project. Show proofs and stop being a cry baby. You don't answer questions and you look your thread. There's no credibility in your actions so far. Try to take the identity of an other entity is what scammer might be pushed to do. Are you a scammer VOD?

can armis confirm this?

[redsn0w]

Look at my post history, this account didn't appear to falsely accuse a project. Show proofs and stop being a cry baby. You don't answer questions and you look your thread. There's no credibility in your actions so far. Try to take the identity of an other entity is what scammer might be pushed to do. Are you a scammer VOD?

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There's no credibility in your actions so far.

Hypocrite much?  You are using an anonymous account to poach our company name and solicit fraudulent donations in our company name.  No credibility in that and it makes us look bad.

We've generously given you a week.  Hope you make use of it!   Talk to you then.

The OFFICIAL PICISI account.

No one has the 'power' to proclaim himself the 'official account'. Armis has said that Official PICISI or Offical PICISI is not the official forum account of the PICISI 'project'.

For reference: https://archive.is/llH1y

[redsn0w]

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I have only noticed 'he' has wrong to write the forum username : Offical PICISI.
an archive page: https://archive.is/H9KJm  (for security).

Thank you for pointing this out redsn0w - I would hate to have started my new company with a spelling mistake.

There is no need for your security, even though it is commendable.  I don't intend to delete anything - I plan on conducting myself with morals and ethics as the proud owner of the official "PICKISSY" website.     

It is still really strange, however this will only continue and extend the time to resolve this situation (and I do not think it is necessary an official account, it is present "Armis" ... so what is the purpose to post from another account ?).

[Vod]

No one has the 'power' to proclaim himself the 'official account'. Armis has said that Official PICISI or Offical PICISI is not the official forum account of the PICISI 'project'.

The owner of the company has the right to state an official account.  The anonymous account Armis owns no company - he just pretends to, to solicit fraudulent donations.

Vod, is this your doings? Creating imposter accounts that are meant to appear be an account associated with someone that takes money from others (be it donations or otherwise) is generally considered scammy behavior. Although this may or may not be the intention, it would be very easy to use this account to get Armis's customers/sponsors/donators to give you money when that is not the intention.

I believe the intention of the Official PICISI account is to build a parody/education website dedicated to exposing long term scams, as he outlined in his post on my thread.  I believe it's covered under Fair Use and is perfectly legal, esp since Armis doesn't own any trademarks - he is just all talk.  There is no way a reasonable person would confuse the "Official PICISI" account with Armis since the website is called under a different name and Armis doesn't even have a website yet.

If there is any indication of scammy behavior on that thread - if he tries to impersonate Armis or solicit any money - if he even posts a bitcoin address - I will join you in leaving negative trust on his account.   Let's watch his Last Online and see if he is logging in to impersonate and scam.

In the meantime, let's give it a week and see what happens.  Who knows?  Armis may decide to do the right thing and step out of the shadows and I believe the Official PICSIS account when he claims he will step down and cease all operations.  

And if he doesn't, PICSIS will become the fake account since he will be poaching on a registered trademark. 

[redsn0w]

No one has the 'power' to proclaim himself the 'official account'. Armis has said that Official PICISI or Offical PICISI is not the official forum account of the PICISI 'project'.

The owner of the company has the right to state an official account.  The anonymous account Armis owns no company - he just pretends to, to solicit fraudulent donations.

Vod, is this your doings? Creating imposter accounts that are meant to appear be an account associated with someone that takes money from others (be it donations or otherwise) is generally considered scammy behavior. Although this may or may not be the intention, it would be very easy to use this account to get Armis's customers/sponsors/donators to give you money when that is not the intention.

I believe the intention of the Official PICISI account is to build a parody/education website dedicated to exposing long term scams, as he outlined in his post on my thread.  I believe it's covered under Fair Use and is perfectly legal, esp since Armis doesn't own any trademarks - he is just all talk.  There is no way a reasonable person would confuse the "Official PICISI" account with Armis since the website is called under a different name and Armis doesn't even have a website yet.

If there is any indication of scammy behavior on that thread - if he tries to impersonate Armis or solicit any money - if he even posts a bitcoin address - I will join you in leaving negative trust on his account.   Let's watch his Last Online and see if he is logging in to impersonate and scam.

In the meantime, let's give it a week and see what happens.  Who knows?  Armis may decide to do the right thing and step out of the shadows and I believe the Official PICSIS account when he claims he will step down and cease all operations. 

And if he doesn't, PICSIS will become the fake account since he will be poaching on a registered trademark. 

Not exactly, again: it is not necessary an official account because Armis can write from his own forum account. I am waiting for more information and proofs to make my own conclusion .

Thanks for everything.


EDIT:

Can someone explain me why Vod gave 2 negative trust, instead to give him one with all the details? Wait .. wait... I can't understand all the story behind this thread. I am neutral and I would like to understand more and the complete story.

[pickissy]

We have decided we will use this name instead - Pickissy - as our official website and forum account. This will avoid any claims that we are trying to impersonate the account "PICISI" or the scammer account "Armis".

It is the phonetic pronunciation of our website name.  Pick-issy

Pickissy - Exposing the Long Con

[redsn0w]

We have decided we will use this name instead - Pickissy - as our official website and forum account. This will avoid any claims that we are trying to impersonate the account "PICISI" or the scammer account "Armis".

It is the phonetic pronunciation of our website name.  Pick-issy

Pickissy - Exposing the Long Con

The Meta thread is turned in a big place for a troll, newbie and not newbie... more times I have passed here and more things I have learned , one ot these things "there is always someone that will try to ruin your reputation (but this is how it works and fortunately the trust system should be not moderated so everyone can make his own conclusion)."



Reference: https://archive.is/gR06o

[Vod]

I, personally, no longer give a fuck about this place. It's hit the scumbaggery critical mass a while ago, it's no longer about bitcoin. It's about making money off bitcoin, about *selling* warez & hacked accounts, about loansharking and getting pickpocketed in the lending section, about running second-rate scams in the "securities" section, about buying and selling accounts, about posting shit just to get paid from a sig ad, about running ponzis and about fucking moron marks who "play" them.

Well, you must give a "fuck" if you keep posting here.  I know when I lose respect for a website I just leave.  I don't continue to engage with it.  I don't feel a need to insult the others who still go there.  And I certainly don't make a throw away account - I always stand behind my words.

But you're right about the shitfest.  It seems to come in waves - some weeks there is a lot of scamming and then other weeks there is hardly anything at all.

(Time to move on from this thread.  Look forward to the new Pickissy website next week!)

[Armis]

-snip-

Vod, is this your doings? Creating imposter accounts that are meant to appear be an account associated with someone that takes money from others (be it donations or otherwise) is generally considered scammy behavior. Although this may or may not be the intention, it would be very easy to use this account to get Armis's customers/sponsors/donators to give you money when that is not the intention.

Look at my post history, this account didn't appear to falsely accuse a project. Show proofs and stop being a cry baby. You don't answer questions and you look your thread. There's no credibility in your actions so far. Try to take the identity of an other entity is what scammer might be pushed to do. Are you a scammer VOD?

can armis confirm this?

Yes, Quickseller you are correct on both notes.  The "PICISI" account is authorized to speak on behalf of PICISI.  

I also think it's more than obvious who created the "Official PICISI"  account, and as others have pointed out in many different ways, that action is telling.

Look at my post history, this account didn't appear to falsely accuse a project. Show proofs and stop being a cry baby. You don't answer questions and you look your thread. There's no credibility in your actions so far. Try to take the identity of an other entity is what scammer might be pushed to do. Are you a scammer VOD?

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There's no credibility in your actions so far.

Hypocrite much?  You are using an anonymous account to poach our company name and solicit fraudulent donations in our company name.  No credibility in that and it makes us look bad.

We've generously given you a week.  Hope you make use of it!   Talk to you then.

The OFFICIAL PICISI account.

No one has the 'power' to proclaim himself the 'official account'. Armis has said that Official PICISI or Offical PICISI is not the official forum account of the PICISI 'project'.

For reference: https://archive.is/llH1y

The "PICISI" account is authorized to speak on behalf of PICISI.  

[redsn0w]

I, personally, no longer give a fuck about this place. It's hit the scumbaggery critical mass a while ago, it's no longer about bitcoin. It's about making money off bitcoin, about *selling* warez & hacked accounts, about loansharking and getting pickpocketed in the lending section, about running second-rate scams in the "securities" section, about buying and selling accounts, about posting shit just to get paid from a sig ad, about running ponzis and about fucking moron marks who "play" them.

Well, you must give a "fuck" if you keep posting here.  I know when I lose respect for a website I just leave.  I don't continue to engage with it.  I don't feel a need to insult the others who still go there.  And I certainly don't make a throw away account - I always stand behind my words.

But you're right about the shitfest.  It seems to come in waves - some weeks there is a lot of scamming and then other weeks there is hardly anything at all.

(Time to move on from this thread.  Look forward to the new Pickissy website next week!)

Can I say you one thing? Without receive any negative trust from you (it could be really useless):


Why the 'official' PICISI account (so he should be Armis) is posting in your 'locked' thread? Because correct me if I'm wrong, is Armis the creator of this 'project'?

[redsn0w]

But why have not the others account* :

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513876
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513834

*received a negative trust from Vod? Armis, do you have created and started the PICISI 'project'? So is not it needed an official account, you can write or say whatever you want (related with the 'project') from your actual account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=225066)?

All these things make me more confusional, and the manage of this situation by both part is really strange.

[Armis]

But why have not the others account* :

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513876
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513834

*received a negative trust from Vod? Armis, do you have created and started the PICISI 'project'? So is not it needed an official account, you can write or say whatever you want (related with the 'project') from your actual account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=225066)?

All these things make me more confusional, and the manage of this situation by both part is really strange.

redsn0w -- the two accounts that you provided links to not authorized to speak on behalf of PICISI.

The account in the photo is the only PICISI account authorized to speak on behalf of PICISI