PICISI (Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas)

[Armis]

Vod issued negative feedback while asserting numerous false claims.

Somehow Vod's reading of "PICISI (Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas)" is a claim to be charity.  Keep in mind that it is rare to find "(Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas)" because we would rather be identified by the initialization than an acronym, which is why the '.' are absent; so its said as a word not letters.

99% of the time where you see "PICISI" you will see it say "is a crowdfunding site currently under construction", that is telling everyone that the site is not up yet.  We also indicate that specific goals must be reached before we launch the site and the currency, the prerequisites are specifically indicated.  

PICISI is not, nor will it be, a charity, a non-profit, or a not-for-profit entity, it will be a crowdfunding site that will charge a fee for its services and will endeavor to earn massive profits.

Here is the neg feedback Vod issued:

"Running a long con charity scam.

Corporations (especially Charties) are required to register publicly with a legal license. This prevents fraud! The Executive Director (CEO) is your final contact for this company - yet he will hide behind an anonymous email address.

The money is still real - they are building up a "board of directors" now with promise of pay but once that is done they'll be asking for real coins for their "charity".

Irreversible currency to a fake charity run by an anonymous scammer.

Will modify this when the Executive Director provides the real life identities of those on his board (those who have the ultimate financial responsibility) and when they register properly as a charity in the county they wish to do business in."

I told Vod: "PICISI is not, nor will it be, a charity, a non-profit, or a not-for-profit entity, it will be a crowdfunding site that will charge a fee for its services and will endeavor to earn massive profits."  Notice I used the future tense because everyone knows it is not up yet.  

I continued: "Yes, the word "charity" is in the acronym, so too are the words 'Philanthropic' and 'Investment'; we are not a philanthropic company, or an investment company either.  PICISI will be a place where all of the interests that make up our name can be served: where Charities can find donors for their charitable campaigns; where Philanthropic orgs or individuals could make donations, or purchases; where Investors could find ways to invest in people, and products; where Inventors could find people willing to buy into their idea, plan, or prototype; share Start-ups could find individual or orgs willing to invest in them, and were good Ideas are constantly rewarded.

I am currently searching for administrators to help run the for-profit org which is currently under construction and will be located at www.PICISI.com."

Here's what this phrase: "Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas" means, 'people with money giving to people who want or need money particularly for inventions, startup, and ideas'.   The "charity" is in the benevolent giving from the donors to the campaigns.  


I know Vod is one of the gatekeepers and trying to keep the forum safe but this is uncalled for, especially when he assumes to speak for other unbeknownst to them, he posted this about 4 times BEFORE going to Hobonickels to inquire about the sponsorship arrangement:

Turns out the OP is running a scam, and not the charity (no charity license!) he claims.  But he wants to reassure you that all the public identities of his board of directors (no corporation license!) will be disclosed to the stakeholders (no corporation license!) once he collects a large sum of non-reversible currency.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1002378.msg11371652#msg11371652

Do all his sponsors know he is running a scam?  Esp Hobonickels - I know thy are pro-charity and anti-greed.

 

I have 4 Admin spots available for good people who are willing to help manage PICISI, if anyone reading this is interested please let me know.   

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[Vod]

Who is the OP?  He claims to be the "final authority" when it comes to all issues regarding his illegal charity - except he hides in the shadow like a rat.

Where is all your donation money going?  Dunno
Where is the accountability here?  Dunno

One day the OP will wake up, look at his coins and think "hey, no one knows who I am!" and that will be it for PICISI.

That's all I have to say about this.  I'm willing to remove the negative feedback when the OP identifies who he is and stops pretending to be a charity.

 

[Armis]

Who is the OP?  He claims to be the "final authority" when it comes to all issues regarding his illegal charity - except he hides in the shadow like a rat.

Where is all your donation money going?  Dunno
Where is the accountability here?  Dunno

One day the OP will wake up, look at his coins and think "hey, no one knows who I am!" and that will be it for PICISI.

That's all I have to say about this.  I'm willing to remove the negative feedback when the OP identifies who he is and stops pretending to be a charity.

 

Vod, most of your assertions are rooted in fear, the basis for those fears are unfounded, unsubstantiated, and inconsistent with my history on this site. 

I've handled lots of funds for other people and have scammed no one.

Vod, are you willing to put your money where you mouth is?  Are you willing to back your claims with money (any tradable currency you wish)?   

It's clear to me that you have chosen to jump to the wrong conclusion, I'm disappointed that you have chosen to remain at the wrong conclusion.  Your posts and your negative feedback has called my username's character into question, and have caused me to have to defend myself for no good reason or righteous cause.  I don't know your motivation but I do hope you are willing to support your claims with money.

Better yet, put up your membership at BCT.  You have made very specific claims against me, you have publicly impugned my username's character are you willing to resign your interest in Bitcointalk.org if your claims are shown to be wrong? 

[Vod]

I have created another poll that isn't as diluted.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060460.0

[Armis]

I have created another poll that isn't as diluted.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060460.0

Vod, what is your logic based on?  You took one word out of a six word phase and claimed it to be the design of the org, I include your word and add two other plus none of the above.  According to your logic I concentrated it not diluted it. 

I want to know how many people would honestly make the same mistake as you.  If people honestly think it's a charity then it's a problem, but that still would not excuse all of the other wickedness you are perpetrating -- what's wrong with you?

Why didn't you think to take a poll before you made the accusation?
Why didn't you think to take a poll before you issued the negative feedback based on your backwards interpretations of reality?
Why cause sooo much unnecessary trouble when you could have asked your questions publicly or in private without doing so much damage?

[redsn0w]

Again:

trust system is not moderated, and it is not necessary open a thread ... you should instead sort this situation 'privately' with Vod (I think if you will clarify all the situation, he will probably change the feedback).


I am not thrilled to see that this forum is always the same .

[Armis]

Again:

trust system is not moderated, and it is not necessary open a thread ... you should instead sort this situation 'privately' with Vod (I think if you will clarify all the situation, he will probably change the feedback).


I am not thrilled to see that this forum is always the same .

I understand that trust is not moderated, and I also understand that misunderstanding should be handles is a better way, however I believe you know Vod and how he rather go overboard some times.   So this is a matter of the trust system, character, and responsibility.

thanks
 

[Vod]

Again:

trust system is not moderated, and it is not necessary open a thread ... you should instead sort this situation 'privately' with Vod (I think if you will clarify all the situation, he will probably change the feedback).


I am not thrilled to see that this forum is always the same .

I understand that trust is not moderated, and I also understand that misunderstanding should be handles is a better way, however I believe you know Vod and how he rather go overboard some times.   So this is a matter of the trust system, character, and responsibility.

thanks
 

Not really going overboard to stop an anonymous charity scammer from running with hundreds/thousands of coins, is it?  

At least people that supported you now see how you go overboard on a regular basis!  

[Armis]

Again:

trust system is not moderated, and it is not necessary open a thread ... you should instead sort this situation 'privately' with Vod (I think if you will clarify all the situation, he will probably change the feedback).


I am not thrilled to see that this forum is always the same .

I understand that trust is not moderated, and I also understand that misunderstanding should be handles is a better way, however I believe you know Vod and how he rather go overboard some times.   So this is a matter of the trust system, character, and responsibility.

thanks
 

Not really going overboard to stop an anonymous charity scammer from running with hundreds/thousands of coins, is it?  

At least people that supported you now see how you go overboard on a regular basis!  

Vod, you are making false claims, it's unreasonable to expect me to simply ignore it.

Your take about  "running with hundreds/thousands of coins" then when I press you on how you suppose that would happen you ignore it.

All of the wrongful deeds you devise I ask you to follow it out in practical terms so that you could see that you are how misguided you are.
But you instead issue more misplaced uncertainty. 


What coins are you talking about, how did the coins get into who's hands?  What is the process Vod?

You would know if you read the material, read the material Vod, read before you make irresponsible accusations, read before you defame someone's character needlessly.

Tell me Vod how does anyone get Pi? When will it occur?  If you don't know it's because you didn't read the information that was provided at all of the threads you responded negatively to because you made a irresponsible snap decision that was based on your own preconceived notions. 

[redsn0w]

All this situation has bring me to search, and I have found this post:

I wouldn't trust this guy with your money, he is a two faced liar and will play the victim while he acts as the perpetrator with the other hand. He enjoys harassing people then when there are repercussions, he cries abuse at the top of his lungs to get what he wants. I wouldn't trust any donations with this user.

The Default Trust System is essentially a list of highly trusted individuals who have proved over time to be a trusted member of the bitcointalk community.  Only about .0005% of bitcointalk members are on that list.  Essentially they are charged with being the eyes and ears of the Administrators since the admins, staff, and mods can't be expected to see everything. 
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I think this time you will not succeed and Vod will not be removed from the Default Trust list.

[Vod]

You would know if you read the material, read the material Vod, read before you make irresponsible accusations, read before you defame someone's character needlessly.

The material is your PR garbage that has zero credibility.

You don't stand behind the material, because you don't even stand behind this anonymous account.  

I'm done having conversations in two separate threads.  Talk to yourself here.

[Bicknellski]

What services are PICSI providing and what are they charging for those services?

[TECSHARE]

[] read before you defame someone's character needlessly. []

If only he could follow his own advice...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=811922.msg9394900#msg9394900
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=32469.msg9438249#msg9438249
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35656.msg9438146#msg9438146
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709278.msg9438300#msg9438300
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846683.0;all

[Armis]

What services are PICSI providing and what are they charging for those services?

That's a good question, however premature.

As a crowd funding site, there are a number of fees for services.  Specific values have not been determined for most of them, however there are some guidelines.  For example the fee we will charge a campaign organizer to raise fiat on our site will be less than the cost to raise fiat on Indiegogo or Kickstarter.   The fee to raise CC is not yet determined.  The fee to the organizer for receiving sponsors donation is likely to be about 15% (host CC is free),  and if someone brings their own sponsor to support their campaign the fee will be higher than use of our sponsors.  

Campaign Donation
1) fiat      --- will be lower then Indie and Kick
2) cryptocurrency  --- Not Yet Determined NYD

Sponsorships
3) host CC Sponsorship (profile sponsor) - no fee
4) sponsor donor perk contract  - NYD                
5) sponsor advertising perk contract - NYD
6) video sponsorship contract - NYD
7) organizer generated sponsorship - NYD

8) Contractor Contract (fee paid at closing) - NYD




Now let's say you are a sponsor and want to sponsor a campaign, you would likely have multiple choices, however all are subject to the will of the organizer to have a sponsor and to have any particular sponsor.  In other words they could say no.  But for this example let's say of the three choices they have a) sponsor CC, b)select own CC,  or c) Pi, the likelihood is great that they will select a) sponsor because that is the only one paying the organizer to make that selection.  

After they make that selection and the campaign app is complete it will be shopped to the sponsors, it has not been determined yet if the host CC selection will be first to $1 (CC equal) or highest bid.  But for this example let's make it first to $1 gets tthe deal if the organizer accepts.   The organizer gets all of those funds (no fee).  the video sponsorship will be up for bid with the host CC having right of first refusal, and the other sponsorships Perks and campaign are open to multiple sponsors with the organizer's ok.

So campaign that are very attractive will likely have lots of sponsors, certainly many sponsor offers.


Now let's say that during the campaign the organizer wants to promote his campaign, he may request a campaign contractors to do an article or some other service.  PICISI will be the middleman for the deal and escrow the funds.  once it is done to the satisfaction of the organizer (client) the contractor is paid and feedback is left by the escrow agent and the other parties are expected to leave feedback too.


Many times PICISI will see a campaign that we want to help promote too, that is what our Promotion Contractors are for, they do PICISI assignments and we pay them with Pi.

[Armis]

The PICISI mantra is “Promotion, Promotion, Promotion”, even in our pre-launch state, we are aggressively promoting PICISI and our sponsors. It is by design that PICISI is in a perpetual state of promotion. This article will feature reasons why cryptocurrency (CC) communities should sponsor crowdfunding campaigns at PICISI.

Promotion is a major part of what we do at PICISI, it starts with our unconventional hiring plan. It is our intent to hire self-employed contractors all over the world to do various assignments (video production, article writing, social networking, etc …) to promote our message, the message of our sponsors, as well as the individual message of our campaign organizers. We want our combined voices heard everywhere, all day, every day.

The very best place to market a CC will be at PICISI, that is where a CC sponsor will be able to introduce a CC in many different ways — we have 10 sponsorship opportunities The primary ways to get your message conveyed is as: host CC sponsor, campaign sponsor, donor perk sponsor, advertising perk sponsor, and campaign video sponsor; and secondarily as: home / category page sponsor, donation list sponsor, article sponsor, youtube channel sponsor, and PICISI merchandising sponsor. Let’s take a closer look at the primary sponsorship opportunities:

Host CC Sponsor – once an organizer has elected to have a ‘sponsor currency’ all CC sponsors are given the opportunity win the honor, once the connection is made all CCs donated to that campaign will be converted to the host CC.

Every visitor to the campaign will see the host CC in action, not simply as an ad. Additionally organizers are able to use the funds with any of the campaign contractors to create, develop, or promote their campaign. This type of practical and positive interaction with CCs will improve how the general public views the cryptocurrency industry.

Campaign Sponsor – this is the most common type of sponsorship seen in crowdfunding campaigns. The sponsor’s logo is placed within an area of the body of the campaign text. The higher your donation the higher your logo will appear in the sponsorship logo area.

Donor Perk Sponsor – a sponsor provided perk is escrowed by PICISI on behalf of a specific campaign where it will be used. If the perk is not requested by any qualified donor it is converted to host CC and donated to the campaign.

Advertising Perk Sponsor – a sponsor provided perk escrowed by PICISI on behalf of a specific campaign to be used as a perk. If the perk is not requested by any qualified campaign donor the perk is sent back to the sponsor — the perk is NOT donated to the campaign and

Campaign Video Sponsor – the first 5 second of the campaign organizer’s video is allocated for the Campaign Video Sponsor, this is where the sponsor will indicate: “This video is brought to you by … [say sponsor’s name, show sponsor’s logo, and say sponsor’s catchphrase]”

‘Purpose CCs’ are CCs that were created with a specific niche in mind eg: EMC2, Metal, HYPER, RPC, Gridcoin, EDU, etc … these types of CCs will find it easier to target their message in specific PICISI categories eg: the Science Research category for the CCs EMC2, and Gridcoin; likewise for Gaming / Game Development category for HYPER and GMC; the Music category for Metal coin; the Politics category for RPC, the Education category for EDU; and the Renewable Energy category for ENRG.

One of our launch prerequisites is to secure a minimum of 20 sponsors, currently we have 14: Crypto Database, www.ArmisGame.com, The Einsteinium News, Crypto Cloud Hosting, Bitcoin PR Buzz, Einsteinium (EMC2), Metal Coin (METAL), HYPER (HYPER), Hobonickels (HBN), Energy Coin (ENRG), Artsry Coin, GSM Coin (GSM), Stiviacoin (STV), and Magi coin (XMG). If you like the direction PICISI is traveling I invite you to support us with sponsorship and to share our message with your constituents.

[Armis]

Vod

Whoops!  Looks like Armis forgot to leave out the charity part:


[Quote from: Armis on Today at 04:27:17 AM]
PICISI will be a place where all of the interests that make up our name can be served: where Charities can find donors for their charitable campaigns; where Philanthropic orgs or individuals could make donations, or purchases; where Investors could find ways to invest in people, and products; where Inventors could find people willing to buy into their idea, plan, or prototype; share Start-ups could find individual or orgs willing to invest in them, and were good Ideas are constantly rewarded.

He used to have grand ideas (earlier today that is lol) to hold onto all kinds of coin in his anonymous account.

Seems that has changed now that he has been exposed.  Now he posts he won't have access to any coins.    Wink

"No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar."   - Abraham Lincoln

I'm forced to lock the thread since he keeps spamming his PR material everywhere - totally unnecessary as we already understand he is pulling a long con.[/quote/



Charities can raise funds at PICISI, however PICISI will not be a charity.  PICISI is the platform for those who want to engagement in the business of crowd funding.










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As was mentioned in passing, and in response to a couple PMs yes, I'm looking for Admins to help me manage PICISI, and yes you must be thoroughly familiar with what PICISI is and how e intend to operate.  Yes if you read all of the published articles you will have a good understanding of what is expected.   However, I would certainly expect for you to have many questions for me.


Here is the relevant article on that:

As you know from “What is PICISI?”, PICISI (Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, and Ideas) is an crowdfunding startup that will accept all significant currency types (fiat and crypto) for campaigns conducted at the site. PICISI is expected to launch in a month.

PICISI is designed to have an 8 person management team: Executive Director, Deputy Director, Assistant Director, Content Director, Promotion Director, Communications Director, Finance Director, and Compliance Director. At present only 2 positions are filled (Executive Director and Assistant Director). Let’s take a brief look at each position and how they relate to the organization.

The Executive Director is the chief executive who is finally responsible to all PICISI stakeholders. His vision for PICISI can be summed up in three words: Promotion, Promotion, Promotion! Promotion is how the PICISI brand will be established, how each sponsor’s message is conveyed, and how each campaign will realize its potential.

The Deputy Director is in charge when the Executive Director is unavailable or when so directed by the Executive Director. Ideally this person would be a great compliment to the Executive Director, he would provide a healthy contrast on issues and opinions. Perhaps more focused on day-to-day micro issues as the Exec Dir focuses on day-to-day macro issues. Someone with a healthy understanding of all of the following: crowdfunding, cryptoccurrency, charity, social networking, and business law may be an ideal fit.

This position is available.

The Assistant Director is responsible for assisting the Executive Director and the Deputy Director, however at times he may also serve other directors as the need arises. Much of his day is filled with social networking assignments.

The Finance Director/ Auditor is responsible for all financial record keeping, filings, reportings, taxes, and licenses; also responsible for site security, internal audits, and member services. It is expected to cost in excess of $1M to secure all of the necessary licenses to operate at targeted locations around the world, He must map and implement a strategic plan to secure the licenses with minimal financial disruption of operations. Will do periodic site security audits to test strengths and uncover weakness. In consultation with the Compliance Director the Finance Director will handle all Customer Service issues to the reasonable satisfaction of all concerned.

This position will become available after the site has launched.

The Content Director is responsible for everything visible on the site, the primary focus is campaigns, campaigns are the heart of the site his job is to produce large volumes of high quality campaigns. The secondary focus is securing sponsorships. The following categories are of high interest to us for various reasons:

Technology – technology is the triple crown of crowdfunding, it looks good, solves a problem, and often exceeds goal expectations.
Science Research – direct category affiliation with specific purpose coins, eg: EMC2, GRC, and FLDC.
Gaming and Game Development – direct category affiliation with specific purpose coins, eg: HYPER and GMC coin
Politics – direct category affiliation with specific purpose coins, eg: RPC. More importantly in the USA we are gearing up for our next presidential election (2016) so many election campaigns have already started fundraising.
Education – direct category affiliation with specific purpose coins, eg: EDU coin
Music – direct category affiliation with a specific purpose coin, eg: Metal coin.
Renewable Energy Projects – direct category affiliation with specific purpose coins, eg:SLR, GRE, and ENRG.
Purpose driven cryptocurrencies such as those presented above should become PICISI sponsors — it just makes sense.

This position is available, three people have expressed interest however no determination has been made as of yet.

The Promotion Director is responsible for promoting the site to sponsors, organizers, members, donors, and media to generate business. Responsible for instructing and monitoring the Promotion Contractors and Campaign Contractors. This person is an trainer as well as a hard-sales guy, he is expected to received unassigned sales traffic and have a high close rate. This person must be knowledgeable, personable,and patient, yet know when and how to close a deal.

This position is available.

The Communications Director is responsible for the PICISI message, he is the face and voice of PICISI, his top priority is having our site make news all day, everyday somewhere around the world: via press release, article, and/or interview.

This position is available.

The Compliance Director is responsible for enforcement of site policies and procedures, and all things judicial in nature eg: ranking, feedback, and reviews. More importantly he is responsible for work certification — he determines if an assignment was completed satisfactorily. This person must be knowledgeable, reasonable, and resolute.
This position is not available, it will become available after the site has launched.

In the beginning all admins are expected to pitch-in where needed, as the site matures the role of each director will become more defined.

Of the 8 administrators the following 6 are considered critical for launch: Executive Director, Deputy Director, Assistant Director, Content Director, Promotion Director, and Communications Director; currently we have two (Executive Director and Assistant Director), so if you or someone you know, is interested in being part of PICISI’s management team please contact us.

[Armis]

Dear Sir or Madame:

I am an ambitious undergraduate at NYU triple majoring in Mathematics, Economics, and Computer Science. I am a punctual, personable, and shrewd individual, yet I have a quality which I pride myself on more than any of these.

I am unequivocally the most unflaggingly hard worker I know, and I love self-improvement. I have always felt that my time should be spent wisely, so I continuously challenge myself; I left Canterlot because the work was too easy. Once I realized I could achieve a perfect GPA while holding a part-time job at Ponyville, I decided to redouble my effort by placing out of two classes, taking two honors classes, and holding two part-time jobs. That semester I achieved a 3.93, and in the same time I managed to bench double my bodyweight and do 35 pull-ups.

Kindly consider me  one or more of the following positions:

Global Assurance Strategist
Forward Marketing Engineer
Imperial Exchequer
Human Data Administrator
Global Quality Facilitator
Chief Configuration Officer
Senior Quality Consultant
Grand Wizard
Senior Integration Representative
Central Research Analyst
Human Directives Consultant
Princess of the Night

I am proficient with Bloomberg terminals, excellent with excel, and can perform powerful witchcraft with terrifying efficiency. I have plenty of experience in the professional world through my internship at Ponyville, and my research assistant position to Princess Celestia. In fact, my most recent employer has found me so useful that he promoted me to a Senior Operations Associate and an official CTED pony. This role is usually reserved for Masters Alicorns, but my employer gave the title to me so that he could give me more work.

Please realize that I am not a braggart or conceited, I just want to outline my usefulness. Egos can be a huge liability, and I try not to have one.
Thank you so much for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards,

Eaton T. IV

lol
yeah, but what do you know about PICISI?

[Armis]

Vod said the following to a number of different PICISI sponsors:

Turns out Armis is running a scam, and not the charity (no charity license!) he claims.  But he wants to reassure you that all the public identities of his board of directors (no corporation license!) will be disclosed to the stakeholders (no corporation license!) once he collects a large sum of non-reversible currency.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1002378.msg11371652#msg11371652

Do all his sponsors know he is running a scam?  Esp Hobonickels - I know thy are pro-charity and anti-greed.

The sponsor responded to Vod "... He [Armis] has my trust ..."

Vod issued negative feedback to me based on his ignorance of PICISI, then went about to tell everyone he could (including PICISI sponsors) more falsehoods about PICISI.  It's obvious that Vod didn't read much about PICISI before rushing to judgement.   Nevertheless I must address his reckless accusations in a responsible way:

Vod mentioned "Charity" "license" "corporation" "board of directors" "stakeholders" and "collection of large sums of ... currency"  
I will prove that he jumped to the wrong conclusion then irresponsibly acted on his misunderstanding.

As you know PICISI is a business plan taking shape, and Armis is the designer and creator of PICISI.  A critical part of that plan is formation of the org, creation of the site, and creation of currency.  

Vod didn't read the plan, he refuses to read the articles about the plan, and doesn't even want to read the threads about the plan, yet he wants people to believe that he knows more about it than the person that created it.   Had he done any of that homework he would see there was never any plan for PICISI to be a charity, that it was always the plan for PICISI to be a business specifically a crowdfunding business.

The site prerequisites imply that no site presently exists, the site prerequisites also imply that once those goals are met something will begin.  When you look at the prerequisites as a whole it should be evident that those make up the basis for the business, and without them there is no business.

You don't need a license to market a plan, you don't need a license for someone to give you money to start a business, nor do you need a license to put the pieces together for the creation of that business.  A license is necessary to operate as a business, not to form one.

Vod mentioned a 'corporation' and 'board of directors', where did he get that from, not from me.  Clearly it originated in his head and now he is spreading the notion to others.   Given that Vod wrote this: "stakeholders (no corporation license!)" its clear to me that Vod confused "stakeholders" with "stockholders".  And that is probably why he wrongly went down that wrong corporate path.  Again he allowed his preconceived notions to prejudice his judgement.  

and lastly,

Vod mentioned 'collection of large sums of money', he really needs to explain that because PICISI does plan on making large sums of money, over and over again, and I have no intention of running away from our success. 


As you can see Vod jumped to the wrong conclusion then irresponsibly acted on his misunderstanding of facts when he issued his negative feedback.

[Vod]

Vod issued negative feedback to me based on his ignorance of PICISI, then went about to tell everyone he could (including PICISI sponsors) more falsehoods about PICISI.  

Liar.  Haven't contacted your sponsors yet.  Still putting together my facts on your long con.

It will be posted soon enough.  Have patience - that's one of the attributes in a long con scammer.  

You refuse to stand behind your words so no one will take them seriously.

[Armis]

Vod issued negative feedback to me based on his ignorance of PICISI, then went about to tell everyone he could (including PICISI sponsors) more falsehoods about PICISI.  

Liar.  Haven't contacted your sponsors yet.  Still putting together my facts on your long con.

It will be posted soon enough.  Have patience - that's one of the attributes in a long con scammer.  

You refuse to stand behind your words so no one will take them seriously.

Here is a response Vod issued in the thread of the exact same sponsor he just told you that he didn't contact:

Just asking Armis to stand behind his words, instead of hiding in the shadows.  Not a smear campaign at all.  

He's pulling a long con by taking fraudulent donations and being anonymous.  You won't be able to go after him civilly or criminally when he steals your coins.

[here was my response]


Vod issued negative feedback to me based on his ignorance of PICISI, then went about to tell everyone he could (including PICISI sponsors) more falsehoods about PICISI.  It's obvious that Vod didn't read much about PICISI before rushing to judgement.   It's a shame that he brings the falsehoods to PICISI sponsor threads and annoying that I feel compelled to address his reckless accusations in a responsible way.

Vod mentioned "Charity" "license" "corporation" "board of directors" "stakeholders" and "collection of large sums of ... currency"  
I will prove that he jumped to the wrong conclusion then irresponsibly acted on his misunderstanding.

As you know PICISI is a business plan taking shape, and Armis is the designer and creator of PICISI.  A critical part of that plan is formation of the org, creation of the site, and creation of currency.  

Vod didn't read the plan, he refuses to read the articles about the plan, and doesn't even want to read the threads about the plan, yet he wants people to believe that he knows more about it than the person that created it.   Had he done any of that homework he would see there was never any plan for PICISI to be a charity, that it was always the plan for PICISI to be a business specifically a crowdfunding business.

The site prerequisites imply that no site presently exists, the site prerequisites also imply that once those goals are met something will begin.  When you look at the prerequisites as a whole it should be evident that those make up the basis for the business, and without them there is no business.

You don't need a license to market a plan, you don't need a license for someone to give you money to start a business, nor do you need a license to put the pieces together for the creation of that business.  A license is necessary to operate as a business, not to form one.

Vod mentioned a 'corporation' and 'board of directors', where did he get that from, not from me.  Clearly it originated in his head and now he is spreading the notion to others.   Given that Vod wrote this: "stakeholders (no corporation license!)" its clear to me that Vod confused "stakeholders" with "stockholders".  And that is probably why he wrongly went down that wrong corporate path.  Again he allowed his preconceived notions to prejudice his judgement.  

and lastly,

Vod mentioned 'collection of large sums of money', he really needs to explain that because PICISI does plan on making large sums of money, over and over again, and I have no intention of running away from our success.  


As you can see Vod jumped to the wrong conclusion then irresponsibly acted on his misunderstanding of facts when he issued negative feedback to me.


Vod said: "Just asking Armis to stand behind his words, instead of hiding in the shadows.  Not a smear campaign at all." well if that was actually the cased he would have limited his line of inquiry to PICISI thread not spill it over to PICISI sponsor threads.   Furthermore, if it was not a smear campaign he would not have posted the abundance of negativity in all of those different threads -- about 8 different threads; if that is not a smear campaign what is it?

Vod says: "He's pulling a long con by taking fraudulent donations and being anonymous.  You won't be able to go after him civilly or criminally when he steals your coins."
Yet he doesn't understand what PICISI is, refuses to read about it and refuses to believe the person that created it.   Also, he makes this prediction without any wager I tell him if he's so clairvoyant why doesn't he bet his Vod membership in Bitcointalk.org and if I win Vod resigns from BCT.   You see, I know he's wrong but he has nothing to lose with his irresponsible behavior.  My username is damaged by the negative feedback he issued and PICISI is damaged by his false accusations that he is recklessly spreading.

He claims there's some "long con" but doesn't play it out, he doesn't explain how it supposedly would happen.  He talks about anonymity but has no idea about my intentions or how PICISI will be run.  He tells you that you won't be able to get your coins, yet doesn't tell us what coins he is talking about.  He irresponsibly plants seeds of doubt then fertilizes it with words of fear so you will think and act negatively towards me and PICISI.  Here's what he doesn't do, he doesn't speak with specifics, he doesn't hash out any example as to how what he predicts supposedly would occur.  

Remember he made many assumptions that you know are false, he assumed you don't know what you are doing (he issued 3 warnings: 1) negative feedback, 2) his first warning post, and 3) his second warning post), he assumed you paid me a lot money, he assumed whatever you paid is not refundable (why else would you need to "go after" someone), the proof of all of those assertions is in what I know that you know, that Vod doesn't know because Vod doesn't want to read the available information about PICISI.  

Even when I spoon feed him with PICISI articles so that he could be properly educated about PICISI Vod told me he didn't want to hear it.  If he doesn't want to read, and doesn't want to listen how would he expect to know about PICISI?  If he doesn't know about PICISI he's unqualified to speak about PICISI.
 

[Vod]

Yawn.  You're still refusing to stand behind your (wall of) words - why should anyone else care?  

[Armis]

Here is another PICISI sponsor that Vod specifically went to with his smear campaign: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=971382.msg11372497#msg11372497

Here is his comment:

Turns the Armis is running a scam, and not the charity (no charity license!) he claims.  But he wants to reassure you that all the public identities of his board of directors (no corporation license!) will be disclosed to the stakeholders (no corporation license!) once he collects a large sum of non-reversible currency.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1002378.msg11371652#msg11371652

Do all his sponsors know he is running a scam?  Esp Hobonickels - I know thy are pro-charity and anti-greed.

There you have more evidence of Vod misunderstand of what PICISI is.   

When he says: "Turns the Armis is running a scam" is that supposed to mean 'as it turns out that ... scam' because that would imply some investigation took place and some finding was arrived at by some authority.  So the question is: "who what authority made any determination about PICISI?"

Vod also said: "... and not the charity (no charity license!) he claims."  yet "he" (Armis) made not claim that PICISI was a charity, to the contrary Armis very specifically and emphatically indicated that PICISI is not a charity, never planned to be a charity, and has no intention to be a charity.  So where did Vod get this misinformation, and why is he claiming that I made the claim. 

Vod continued: "... But he wants to reassure you that all the public identities of his board of directors (no corporation license!) ..."  What "board of directors", again where did he get that from, not from me.    He continued: "... will be disclosed to the stakeholders (no corporation license!) ..."  aaaaha, perhaps that's the basis for Vod's confusion, apparently he read "stakeholders" as "stockholder" because he referenced "no corporation license".  If he looked up the word "stakeholder" he should understand that it applys to many things even a family.  The context that it was used in was the job description of the duties of the Executive Director of PICISI.  And that was in the context of my invitation and request for people to join me in being an administrator for PICISI. 

Vod concluded that with: "... once he collects a large sum of non-reversible currency."  what currency is he talking about?  how is it that "he" (Armis) comes to receive these funds?  He irresponsibly leaves this open to imply wrongdoing.   However, PICISI is actually designed to properly earn large sums of money, and earn it from people that will be happy to give us that large sum of money because we will have performed as expected.


Vod asks the false question: "Do all his sponsors know he is running a scam?  Esp Hobonickels - I know thy are pro-charity and anti-greed."   There is no scam, and Vod is the only one running around screaming and crying about a non existent scam. 

I told him, if you are so confident it's a scam bet your Vod membership in Bitcointalk.org, if I prove that PICISI is not what you painted as then you resign.  He ignores that, because he actually isn't sure about his assertion at all.  Its a specious claim that only serves to stir up unnecessary fear and doubt.  All because he refuses to read the available information about PICISI BEFORE making a judgement. 

Vod damaged my username's character with is negative feedback, his rush to judgement was wrong, but now he should know better however he is now using that negative feedback to extort information from me for his own misguided purposes.  Such behavior should not be condoned.

[Vod]

Yawn.  You're still refusing to stand behind your (wall of) words - why should anyone else care?  

[Raize]

Mr. Amitenejah, why don't you just go public with who you are as Vod and TECSHARE recommend? People might consider working with you if you do. I did a couple of searches to see if your previous business ventures (board game, book promotion, etc.) are registered with the Secretary of State in Florida and have not found any record of such.

You should, at the very least, register your company with the Florida SoS so that people have a viable method to contact you and hold you legally accountable to their funds. Thanks!

[Armis]

"... hold you legally accountable to their funds."

Who's money is being held, and for what purpose?

[Vod]

Vod, your donation demands are uncalled for because you know they are voluntary and you also know that they are 100% refundable.  

That money?  The money you collected under the guise of being a charity?  

Are you also now claiming that none of the ideas you are pushing will have you holding on to other people's money?

PICISI will be a place where all of the interests that make up our name can be served: where Charities can find donors for their charitable campaigns; where Philanthropic orgs or individuals could make donations, or purchases; where Investors could find ways to invest in people, and products; where Inventors could find people willing to buy into their idea, plan, or prototype; share Start-ups could find individual or orgs willing to invest in them, and were good Ideas are constantly rewarded.

I'm sorry - we need to talk to the person that has the ultimate authority in your "company".  The person we can legally sue when your company scams us.  Who is that again?   

[Armis]

Vod, your donation demands are uncalled for because you know they are voluntary and you also know that they are 100% refundable.  

That money?  The money you collected under the guise of being a charity?  

Vod, PICISI is not a charity.   

Your use of the word "guise" implies that someone was deceived, I want to know which one of our sponsors feels in anyway deceived,
which one of our sponsors believes as you believe, which sponsor gave money and wants it back, which sponsor no longer wants to be a sponsor,
which PICISI sponsor came to me with any discontent whatsoever?

You've already gone to many of my sponsors needlessly spreading FUD, I don't know why, but I do know what you said is the reason and
I have clarified all of your misconceptions, even the one that you are stubbornly maintaining. 

You know PICISI is going to be a crowdfunding site, so who told you otherwise?

[Vod]

I want to know which one of our sponsors feels in anyway deceived,
which one of our sponsors believes as you believe, which sponsor gave money and wants it back, which sponsor no longer wants to be a sponsor,
which PICISI sponsor came to me with any discontent whatsoever?

You, as the final authority in your "company", should know the answer to every one of those questions - how would I?

As long as you continue to collect and hold other people's money, expect to be asked who you are, and why you wish to remain anonymous.

You can let me know when you are serious about resolving the scammy issues with your fake company.  I'll be here.

[Armis]

Vod, your donation demands are uncalled for because you know they are voluntary and you also know that they are 100% refundable.  

That money?  The money you collected under the guise of being a charity?  

Are you also now claiming that none of the ideas you are pushing will have you holding on to other people's money?

PICISI will be a place where all of the interests that make up our name can be served: where Charities can find donors for their charitable campaigns; where Philanthropic orgs or individuals could make donations, or purchases; where Investors could find ways to invest in people, and products; where Inventors could find people willing to buy into their idea, plan, or prototype; share Start-ups could find individual or orgs willing to invest in them, and were good Ideas are constantly rewarded.

I'm sorry - we need to talk to the person that has the ultimate authority in your "company".  The person we can legally sue when your company scams us.  Who is that again?   

"we", who's this "we" that you represent?

When a company is formed it will be done so under the laws where it is formed.

In your quote you reference in bold text it mentions "Charities" the context is that Charities can go to PICISI to crowdfund charitable campaigns, just like is presently done at many crowdfunding sites including indiegogo.  That does not make the site, or site owner a charity.  I'm sure you knew that. 

Nevertheless, you said 'I collected money under a guise of being a charity' I said that was not true, and I further asked you to support your claim by telling me where that claim originated.  I don't want ANYONE thinking that, much less a sponsor. 

[Vod]

That does not make the site, or site owner a charity. I don't want ANYONE thinking that, much less a sponsor.  

(cough) bullshit.  Take a look at the two polls you and I authored.  Over 50% of the respondents said they believed your company was a charity, based on it's name alone.  A person who actually cared about being mistaken for a charity would freak out at a number half that and make changes.

You'll deny you are a charity when asked directly, but if a sponsor donates to you believing you are a charity, you don't correct them.  

In any case, you've admitted your scam is going to be a crowd-funding one, which means you'll be holding onto a lot of people's money for future distribution.  You should expect people to question who you are and why you wish to remain anonymous.  

[redsn0w]

That does not make the site, or site owner a charity. I don't want ANYONE thinking that, much less a sponsor.  

(cough) bullshit.  Take a look at the two polls you and I authored.  Over 50% of the respondents said they believed your company was a charity, based on it's name alone.  A person who actually cared about being mistaken for a charity would freak out at a number half that and make changes.

You'll deny you are a charity when asked directly, but if a sponsor donates to you believing you are a charity, you don't correct them.  

In any case, you've admitted your scam is going to be a crowd-funding one, which means you'll be holding onto a lot of people's money for future distribution.  You should expect people to question who you are and why you wish to remain anonymous.  

Maybe he should change the 'name' of his corporation (is that a corporation?) and remove the word charity bevause I think it is a big misunderstanding and a lot of people are thinking picisi is a charity and invest some money, but it seems that it is not a real charity (or am I wrong?).

Ps: can I ask you again to say what do you want from this thread (the purpose)? The removal of Vod from the defaultTrust list? Or what?

[Quickseller]

From the looks of the OP of the OP's thread for PICISI and what I have read about in this thread, it appears that the OP is trying to create a competing company to kickstarter/indigato that utilizes crypt currencies.

I cannot speak for kickstarter/indigato however it appears that the OP's company is going to work with charities to accept donations on their behalf (and may even specialize in charities).

I don't think the OP is tiring to pass off his company as being a charity, I do understand why, at first glance why someone may think it is a charity. I do not however understand why someone would think as much after reading the OP's responses.

While it is possible that the OP is hoping to run off with a large amount of bitcoin after being trust with large amounts, the same could be said about most bitcoin related companies so I don't think this is a valid argument to say that the OP is a scammer

[Armis]

I want to know which one of our sponsors feels in anyway deceived,
which one of our sponsors believes as you believe, which sponsor gave money and wants it back, which sponsor no longer wants to be a sponsor,
which PICISI sponsor came to me with any discontent whatsoever?

You, as the final authority in your "company", should know the answer to every one of those questions - how would I?

As long as you continue to collect and hold other people's money, expect to be asked who you are, and why you wish to remain anonymous.

You can let me know when you are serious about resolving the scammy issues with your fake company.  I'll be here.

I am the final authority for all info about PICISI, and I will be the final authority once PICISI is a company, nevertheless I don't know everything and I certainly don't read minds.  So my questions are legitimate.  Who has discontent?  No discontent has been expressed to me by ANY PICISI sponsor.

You said: "As long as you continue to collect and hold other people's money, expect to be asked who you are, and why you wish to remain anonymous."
Vod you can have any reason, or no reason at all for asking someone name it doesn't have to be related to collecting money.   Money goes to and from people all of the time some know names some don't that is up to the relevant parties.  If someone doesn't want to give money to another person for any reason at all, they should not give it.  If someone doesn't feel comfortable with someone they are dealing with they should not give any money.  And, if someone gives money to someone else and later feels uncomfortable about what took place they should request a refund. 

As for PICISI, if any sponsor wants a refund the process is very simple, just ask me.  Again, if anyone gave me money and they want it back ask for a refund.
If anyone became a sponsor and no longer wants to be a sponsor just let me know I will remove them from the sponsor list.  I have no problem whatsoever issuing a refund, and I have no problem whatsoever removing a name from the sponsor list.   Oh, btw, I would never issued negative feedback in order to extort anything from anybody.

Sponsorship of PICISI will be a privilege that many will covet, once the site launches sponsorship will be limited and the fee won't be cheap.  If a sponsor doesn't get what they expected then I don't expect them to keep paying. 

Mark this words: THE PICISI SPONSORSHIP POLICY IS 100% SATISFACTION or 100% REFUND GUARANTEED ON REQUEST!!!

If you read about PICISI you will see why people will gladly pay to be a sponsor.

[Vod]

Mark this words: THE PICISI SPONSORSHIP POLICY IS 100% SATISFACTION or 100% REFUND GUARANTEED ON REQUEST!!!

Guaranteed by what?  Your anonymity?   Your words are backed by nothing, scammer.  

I'll give you an actual guarantee right now - my PICISI domain will be higher ranked in Google than yours is.  

[Armis]

From the looks of the OP of the OP's thread for PICISI and what I have read about in this thread, it appears that the OP is trying to create a competing company to kickstarter/indigato that utilizes crypt currencies.

I cannot speak for kickstarter/indigato however it appears that the OP's company is going to work with charities to accept donations on their behalf (and may even specialize in charities).

I don't think the OP is tiring to pass off his company as being a charity, I do understand why, at first glance why someone may think it is a charity. I do not however understand why someone would think as much after reading the OP's responses.

While it is possible that the OP is hoping to run off with a large amount of bitcoin after being trust with large amounts, the same could be said about most bitcoin related companies so I don't think this is a valid argument to say that the OP is a scammer

Wow, its refreshing to see that someone took the time to actually read the material in order to be informed.

Yes, you are correct when you said: "From the looks of the OP of the OP's thread for PICISI and what I have read about in this thread, it appears that the OP is trying to create a competing company to kickstarter/indigato that utilizes crypt currencies..."

No, PICISI will not specialize in charities.


Yes, you are correct: "I don't think the OP is tiring to pass off his company as being a charity,"

About this part: "I do understand why, at first glance why someone may think it is a charity."  when Vod first saw what you see in the title it was followed by: "a crowdfunding site presently under construction" or words to that effect, so that it likely read: 'PICISI (Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas). So it is highly unlikely that anyone that read anything generated by PICISI would conclude that PICISI is anything other than a crowdfunding site.

Thank you for: "I do not however understand why someone would think as much after reading the OP's responses."

I have a major problem with this: "This is While it is possible that the OP is hoping to run off with a large amount of bitcoin after being trust with large amounts,"
It tells me that that I would like you to know more about PICISI and the whole business plan.  If a business is generating large sums of money who's running where?

The currency PICISI creates is for the operation of the business, there are many articles I could share with you that detail how that would take place.

Vod mentioned something like you said, but when I asked him to play it out he didn't, since you are clearly more measured in your approach to PICISI, kindly tell me in what way you believe this would happen?

[Vod]

Wow, its refreshing to see that someone took the time to actually read the material in order to be informed.
...
there are many articles I could share with you that detail how that would take place.

Yes, but all your material/articles are backed by nothing.  You're being deliberately dense here.  All the text in the world will not change the fact you are trying to raise a lot of money using an anonymous account.   You can fool some people, but not seasoned ones like me.  

[Armis]

That does not make the site, or site owner a charity. I don't want ANYONE thinking that, much less a sponsor.  

(cough) bullshit.  Take a look at the two polls you and I authored.  Over 50% of the respondents said they believed your company was a charity, based on it's name alone.  A person who actually cared about being mistaken for a charity would freak out at a number half that and make changes.

You'll deny you are a charity when asked directly, but if a sponsor donates to you believing you are a charity, you don't correct them.  

In any case, you've admitted your scam is going to be a crowd-funding one, which means you'll be holding onto a lot of people's money for future distribution.  You should expect people to question who you are and why you wish to remain anonymous.  

Vod, you are back to overboard again, the company name will only be a one-word name PICISI, not have a six word name, so dismiss that from your head.
The words that stand for the letters in the name will remain the same. 

You said: "You'll deny you are a charity when asked directly,"  that's because PICISI is not a charity, I put that in writing many time to you yet you maintain the notion.
If you asked me if we are a Philantropic comany, I would also say no to that too; and if you asked me if we are an investment firm I would say no to that too; and if you asked me .... you get the point, PICISI will be a crowdfunding site and that is ONLY what we told people it will be.   People will be able to create campaigns to raise funds for their various inventions, ideas, and things, and charities also go there to raise fund too. 

You can't pick out a single word pharase associated with the name of the company and automatically assume that it MUST be what the business does, especially when faced with a mountain of evidence telling you it will be a crowdfunding site.  You went to 8 different threads how could you continue to maintain that illogical line of reasoning?

You said: "... but if a sponsor donates to you believing you are a charity, you don't correct them."  that's unreasonable.  Tell me how it is that someone would become a sponsor of PICISI thinking that?  Are you telling me they would ignore the fact that it says 'a crowdfunding site'.  Then to say "you don't correct them" that's sheer nonsense, why would I do that?  Tell me how I'm to know who thinks PICISI is what you think and we straighten the out right away.  But I doubt if any PICISI sponsor feels as you do.   Nevertheless, as I mentioned above any sponsor for any reason, or no reason at all, can request a refund and receive that refund forthwith.  Money given to me must be done freely and willingly.   

It's strange to me that a sponsor of PICISI would want a refund and go to you about it so :
did any PICISI sponsor go to you claiming that they want a refund?
did any PICISI sponsor go to you claiming that they believed PICISI was ANYTHING other than a crowdfunding site?
did any PICISI sponsor go to you claiming that they no longer want to be a PICISI sponsor?
did any PICISI sponsor go to you claiming that they had discontent of ANY kind?

because I don't think so

[Vod]

words backed by nothing - not worth reading

This is going nowhere.  You know what you're doing is wrong (and illegal) but you won't change anything because you have a "get of jail free" card in the form of anonymity.  You don't care if most people initially think you're a charity because it helps with donations.  You're trying to see if you can build community support to continue your long con - but I believe this community is smarter than you think.

A good scam buster knows when to step back and let the scammer continue to damage himself.  That is what I'm going to do.  I'm still going to contact your sponsors/supporters (I haven't yet) and link them to the PICSIS website I'm building so you can't fool more gullible people.  This will happen in the next couple days week (I have an important exam on Tuesday I need to study for). (If you have a problem with this, you'll have to step out of the shadows and deal with me legally, like an non-scamming adult.)

But I'm done arguing in circles with you.  WHEN YOU ARE READY to address the community's issues, back your words up and make changes, contact me and I'll help you.  But don't contact me until you are sincere about your desire to do things the proper, trustworthy way.

[Armis]

That does not make the site, or site owner a charity. I don't want ANYONE thinking that, much less a sponsor.  

(cough) bullshit.  Take a look at the two polls you and I authored.  Over 50% of the respondents said they believed your company was a charity, based on it's name alone.  A person who actually cared about being mistaken for a charity would freak out at a number half that and make changes.

You'll deny you are a charity when asked directly, but if a sponsor donates to you believing you are a charity, you don't correct them.  

In any case, you've admitted your scam is going to be a crowd-funding one, which means you'll be holding onto a lot of people's money for future distribution.  You should expect people to question who you are and why you wish to remain anonymous.  

Maybe he should change the 'name' of his corporation (is that a corporation?) and remove the word charity bevause I think it is a big misunderstanding and a lot of people are thinking picisi is a charity and invest some money, but it seems that it is not a real charity (or am I wrong?).

Ps: can I ask you again to say what do you want from this thread (the purpose)? The removal of Vod from the defaultTrust list? Or what?

redsn0w, the name of the entity will be a one-word name PICISI pronounced (pick-easy), what the letters stand for is a phrase, if you read the phrase as a phrase it tell you what the company will be about, and it tells you the purpose of the company.   

As for "what do you want from this thread", I'm trying to settle this matter amicably. 

[Armis]

Mark this words: THE PICISI SPONSORSHIP POLICY IS 100% SATISFACTION or 100% REFUND GUARANTEED ON REQUEST!!!

Guaranteed by what?  Your anonymity?   Your words are backed by nothing, scammer.  

I'll give you an actual guarantee right now - my PICISI domain will be higher ranked in Google than yours is.  

Vod a guarantee is a promise.  If you don't like the promise, if the promise isn't acceptable for you, then don't do any action with the entity.

The same applies when the entity doesn't make a promise.  Simply don't do any action with any entity or individual you don't feel comfortable with.

You gave me the impression that you are trying to speak for someone real, PICISI has 23 sponsors which one wants a refund, stop the nonsense, if someone wants a refund speak up and let's get this done.  I'm not going to go asking them who wants a refund, no one came to me and you are implying that someone went to you so speak up, who wants a refund.

You asked: "Guaranteed by what?" the answer is my word, and I'm here and the wallet is open and ready to issue a refund to any one of the 23 PICISI sponsors.  Right now or anytime.  So who wants a refund?

I told you, once the site launches the fee to be a PICISI Sponsor won't be cheap, those who are sponsors now are in a very good position even if they don't realize it.  

So who wants to leave PICISI?

[Armis]

This is going nowhere.  You know what you're doing is wrong (and illegal) but you won't change anything because you have a "get of jail free" card in the form of anonymity.  You don't care if most people initially think you're a charity because it helps with donations.  You're trying to see if you can build community support to continue your long con - but I believe this community is smarter than you think.

A good scam buster knows when to step back and let the scammer continue to damage himself.  That is what I'm going to do.  I'm still going to contact your sponsors/supporters (I haven't yet) and link them to the PICSIS website I'm building so you can't fool more gullible people.  This will happen in the next couple days. (If you have a problem with this, you'll have to step out of the shadows and deal with me legally, like an non-scamming adult.)

But I'm done arguing in circles with you.  WHEN YOU ARE READY to address the community's issues, back your words up and make changes, contact me and I'll help you.  But don't contact me until you are sincere about your desire to do things the proper, trustworthy way.

There is absolutely nothing illegal, wrong, improper, inappropriate, or misleading about what I'm doing.   However, what you did when you maligned my username's character, and continue to say that the plan is a scam could be argued is illegal, is certainly wrong, improper, inappropriate, and certainly misleading, particular with the mountain of evidence building in this very thread.  Every time I tell you the truth and you ignore it, or deny it, or choose to not believe it is an opportunity you pass up on to recognize the truth.

Vod, your actions were misguided and wrong, you went with you gut (not based on the evidence) and it turns out that you were actually wrong.  If you honestly believe is a scam why don't you promise to resign Vod username from bitcointalk once PICISI is launched.   If you really, truly believe that something is wrong or worse illegal why don't you bet your Vod username so that if I prove you wrong you will allow the site admin to retire Vod.  I know you are wrong and I know you are damaging me with this mess but you have nothing to lose, so why don't you do the sporting thing and put the Vod username up.

We could setup the parameters right here in this thread.  So that if x,y, and z take place thereby proving that PICISI is 100% legitimate then Vod is GONE.

What do you say Vod do you believe in you enough to bet on your beliefs?  

I already know I'm going to win, and I think you know you are going to lose what it going to be?  What's your word worth, are you willing to Guarantee your accusation with your membership -- you guarantee that what you said about PICISI is true or you promise to resign from Bitcointalk.org



You said: "A good scam buster knows when to step back and let the scammer continue to damage himself.  That is what I'm going to do.  I'm still going to contact your sponsors/supporters (I haven't yet) and link them to the PICSIS website I'm building so you can't fool more gullible people.  This will happen in the next couple days. (If you have a problem with this, you'll have to step out of the shadows and deal with me legally, like an non-scamming adult.)"


You sure do know how to dig a hole for yourself, your beliefs are that strong eh, well promise to retire Vod if I prove you wrong.



You said: "But I'm done arguing in circles with you.  WHEN YOU ARE READY to address the community's issues, back your words up and make changes, contact me and I'll help you.  But don't contact me until you are sincere about your desire to do things the proper, trustworthy way."


I'm not going to let anyone extort anything from me that I'm not prepared to share.  You should be a shames of yourself for making the demand.

[Armis]

words backed by nothing - not worth reading

This is going nowhere.  You know what you're doing is wrong (and illegal) but you won't change anything because you have a "get of jail free" card in the form of anonymity.  You don't care if most people initially think you're a charity because it helps with donations.  You're trying to see if you can build community support to continue your long con - but I believe this community is smarter than you think.

A good scam buster knows when to step back and let the scammer continue to damage himself.  That is what I'm going to do.  I'm still going to contact your sponsors/supporters (I haven't yet) and link them to the PICSIS website I'm building so you can't fool more gullible people.  This will happen in the next couple days week (I have an important exam on Tuesday I need to study for). (If you have a problem with this, you'll have to step out of the shadows and deal with me legally, like an non-scamming adult.)

But I'm done arguing in circles with you.  WHEN YOU ARE READY to address the community's issues, back your words up and make changes, contact me and I'll help you.  But don't contact me until you are sincere about your desire to do things the proper, trustworthy way.

notice that that thread was locked yesterday after Vod made his entry and was apparently unlocked to create the new post then relocked after the post.
the syntax looks familiar.

[redsn0w]

I have only noticed 'he' has wrong to write the forum username : Offical PICISI.

This is the quoted post for reference:

This post serves as my legal claim as the official bitcointalk account of the official PICISI (pronounced Pickissy) website.  I believe I am the first account to make this claim.

The website will be a parody/education tool on long term cons using a non-reversible currency.  It will discuss the methods and tactics used by some of bitcoin's most nefarious long con scammers.  I will announce the website address at the end of next week.

Note: This claim and forum account is backed by the Fair Use right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Additional Nice Guy Note:  I am offering until the end of next week to allow for any opposing claims.  If there are legal documents presented to me by the end of next week, showing proof of a legitimate company registration in the same name, I will withdraw my claim, even though I am not legally required to.  (I'm just a nice guy.)

One could view this as a demand to anonymous scammers to stop collecting charitable donations under imaginary companies (under the promise they will one day register), and do things the legal and proper way.  If this grace period has passed, and no one presents an opposing claim, I will be registering the PICISI trademark myself and will aggressively defend my works.

Further updates will be posted on this thread, which is locked to prevent walls of worthless copy/paste PR garbage.

an archive page: https://archive.is/H9KJm  (for security).

[PICISI]

For those wonderings
This is the real and only Official PICISI account. From the beginning, we've made it clear, that is was the only account linked Officially to PICISI.

[djnocide]

isn't it weird that someone who is claiming an other member is a scammer, has created a false account of the Project he accuse of being a scam?

Doesn't look right.

Everything can be answered when it's not a scam, he didn't asked. He just put false accusations.

[PICISI]

Look at my post history, this account didn't appear to falsely accuse a project. Show proofs and stop being a cry baby. You don't answer questions and you look your thread. There's no credibility in your actions so far. Try to take the identity of an other entity is what scammer might be pushed to do. Are you a scammer VOD?

[redsn0w]

Wait... it is really strange. Why that account has posted in the Vod's thread (I remember to have seen it locked)  ? It is a really immature comportment if it was discovered that the account is managed by Vod itself to make more confusion about this situation.

[mashcom]

isn't it weird that someone who is claiming an other member is a scammer, has created a false account of the Project he accuse of being a scam?

Doesn't look right.

Everything can be answered when it's not a scam, he didn't asked. He just put false accusations.

This may help answer your question:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060460.msg11392537#msg11392537

We have created this account to stop the trademark poaching from the bitcointak username PICISI.  He does NOT represent our upcoming website or our company.

There's no credibility in your actions so far.

Hypocrite much?  You are using an anonymous account to poach our company name and solicit fraudulent donations in our company name.  No credibility in that and it makes us look bad.

We've generously given you a week.  Hope you make use of it!   Talk to you then.

The OFFICIAL PICISI account.

you are vod.

[Quickseller]

-snip-

Vod, is this your doings? Creating imposter accounts that are meant to appear be an account associated with someone that takes money from others (be it donations or otherwise) is generally considered scammy behavior. Although this may or may not be the intention, it would be very easy to use this account to get Armis's customers/sponsors/donators to give you money when that is not the intention.

Look at my post history, this account didn't appear to falsely accuse a project. Show proofs and stop being a cry baby. You don't answer questions and you look your thread. There's no credibility in your actions so far. Try to take the identity of an other entity is what scammer might be pushed to do. Are you a scammer VOD?

can armis confirm this?

[redsn0w]

Look at my post history, this account didn't appear to falsely accuse a project. Show proofs and stop being a cry baby. You don't answer questions and you look your thread. There's no credibility in your actions so far. Try to take the identity of an other entity is what scammer might be pushed to do. Are you a scammer VOD?

...

There's no credibility in your actions so far.

Hypocrite much?  You are using an anonymous account to poach our company name and solicit fraudulent donations in our company name.  No credibility in that and it makes us look bad.

We've generously given you a week.  Hope you make use of it!   Talk to you then.

The OFFICIAL PICISI account.

No one has the 'power' to proclaim himself the 'official account'. Armis has said that Official PICISI or Offical PICISI is not the official forum account of the PICISI 'project'.

For reference: https://archive.is/llH1y

[redsn0w]

...

I have only noticed 'he' has wrong to write the forum username : Offical PICISI.
an archive page: https://archive.is/H9KJm  (for security).

Thank you for pointing this out redsn0w - I would hate to have started my new company with a spelling mistake.

There is no need for your security, even though it is commendable.  I don't intend to delete anything - I plan on conducting myself with morals and ethics as the proud owner of the official "PICKISSY" website.     

It is still really strange, however this will only continue and extend the time to resolve this situation (and I do not think it is necessary an official account, it is present "Armis" ... so what is the purpose to post from another account ?).

[Vod]

No one has the 'power' to proclaim himself the 'official account'. Armis has said that Official PICISI or Offical PICISI is not the official forum account of the PICISI 'project'.

The owner of the company has the right to state an official account.  The anonymous account Armis owns no company - he just pretends to, to solicit fraudulent donations.

Vod, is this your doings? Creating imposter accounts that are meant to appear be an account associated with someone that takes money from others (be it donations or otherwise) is generally considered scammy behavior. Although this may or may not be the intention, it would be very easy to use this account to get Armis's customers/sponsors/donators to give you money when that is not the intention.

I believe the intention of the Official PICISI account is to build a parody/education website dedicated to exposing long term scams, as he outlined in his post on my thread.  I believe it's covered under Fair Use and is perfectly legal, esp since Armis doesn't own any trademarks - he is just all talk.  There is no way a reasonable person would confuse the "Official PICISI" account with Armis since the website is called under a different name and Armis doesn't even have a website yet.

If there is any indication of scammy behavior on that thread - if he tries to impersonate Armis or solicit any money - if he even posts a bitcoin address - I will join you in leaving negative trust on his account.   Let's watch his Last Online and see if he is logging in to impersonate and scam.

In the meantime, let's give it a week and see what happens.  Who knows?  Armis may decide to do the right thing and step out of the shadows and I believe the Official PICSIS account when he claims he will step down and cease all operations.  

And if he doesn't, PICSIS will become the fake account since he will be poaching on a registered trademark. 

[redsn0w]

No one has the 'power' to proclaim himself the 'official account'. Armis has said that Official PICISI or Offical PICISI is not the official forum account of the PICISI 'project'.

The owner of the company has the right to state an official account.  The anonymous account Armis owns no company - he just pretends to, to solicit fraudulent donations.

Vod, is this your doings? Creating imposter accounts that are meant to appear be an account associated with someone that takes money from others (be it donations or otherwise) is generally considered scammy behavior. Although this may or may not be the intention, it would be very easy to use this account to get Armis's customers/sponsors/donators to give you money when that is not the intention.

I believe the intention of the Official PICISI account is to build a parody/education website dedicated to exposing long term scams, as he outlined in his post on my thread.  I believe it's covered under Fair Use and is perfectly legal, esp since Armis doesn't own any trademarks - he is just all talk.  There is no way a reasonable person would confuse the "Official PICISI" account with Armis since the website is called under a different name and Armis doesn't even have a website yet.

If there is any indication of scammy behavior on that thread - if he tries to impersonate Armis or solicit any money - if he even posts a bitcoin address - I will join you in leaving negative trust on his account.   Let's watch his Last Online and see if he is logging in to impersonate and scam.

In the meantime, let's give it a week and see what happens.  Who knows?  Armis may decide to do the right thing and step out of the shadows and I believe the Official PICSIS account when he claims he will step down and cease all operations. 

And if he doesn't, PICSIS will become the fake account since he will be poaching on a registered trademark. 

Not exactly, again: it is not necessary an official account because Armis can write from his own forum account. I am waiting for more information and proofs to make my own conclusion .

Thanks for everything.


EDIT:

Can someone explain me why Vod gave 2 negative trust, instead to give him one with all the details? Wait .. wait... I can't understand all the story behind this thread. I am neutral and I would like to understand more and the complete story.

[pickissy]

We have decided we will use this name instead - Pickissy - as our official website and forum account. This will avoid any claims that we are trying to impersonate the account "PICISI" or the scammer account "Armis".

It is the phonetic pronunciation of our website name.  Pick-issy

Pickissy - Exposing the Long Con

[redsn0w]

We have decided we will use this name instead - Pickissy - as our official website and forum account. This will avoid any claims that we are trying to impersonate the account "PICISI" or the scammer account "Armis".

It is the phonetic pronunciation of our website name.  Pick-issy

Pickissy - Exposing the Long Con

The Meta thread is turned in a big place for a troll, newbie and not newbie... more times I have passed here and more things I have learned , one ot these things "there is always someone that will try to ruin your reputation (but this is how it works and fortunately the trust system should be not moderated so everyone can make his own conclusion)."



Reference: https://archive.is/gR06o

[Vod]

I, personally, no longer give a fuck about this place. It's hit the scumbaggery critical mass a while ago, it's no longer about bitcoin. It's about making money off bitcoin, about *selling* warez & hacked accounts, about loansharking and getting pickpocketed in the lending section, about running second-rate scams in the "securities" section, about buying and selling accounts, about posting shit just to get paid from a sig ad, about running ponzis and about fucking moron marks who "play" them.

Well, you must give a "fuck" if you keep posting here.  I know when I lose respect for a website I just leave.  I don't continue to engage with it.  I don't feel a need to insult the others who still go there.  And I certainly don't make a throw away account - I always stand behind my words.

But you're right about the shitfest.  It seems to come in waves - some weeks there is a lot of scamming and then other weeks there is hardly anything at all.

(Time to move on from this thread.  Look forward to the new Pickissy website next week!)

[Armis]

-snip-

Vod, is this your doings? Creating imposter accounts that are meant to appear be an account associated with someone that takes money from others (be it donations or otherwise) is generally considered scammy behavior. Although this may or may not be the intention, it would be very easy to use this account to get Armis's customers/sponsors/donators to give you money when that is not the intention.

Look at my post history, this account didn't appear to falsely accuse a project. Show proofs and stop being a cry baby. You don't answer questions and you look your thread. There's no credibility in your actions so far. Try to take the identity of an other entity is what scammer might be pushed to do. Are you a scammer VOD?

can armis confirm this?

Yes, Quickseller you are correct on both notes.  The "PICISI" account is authorized to speak on behalf of PICISI.  

I also think it's more than obvious who created the "Official PICISI"  account, and as others have pointed out in many different ways, that action is telling.

Look at my post history, this account didn't appear to falsely accuse a project. Show proofs and stop being a cry baby. You don't answer questions and you look your thread. There's no credibility in your actions so far. Try to take the identity of an other entity is what scammer might be pushed to do. Are you a scammer VOD?

...

There's no credibility in your actions so far.

Hypocrite much?  You are using an anonymous account to poach our company name and solicit fraudulent donations in our company name.  No credibility in that and it makes us look bad.

We've generously given you a week.  Hope you make use of it!   Talk to you then.

The OFFICIAL PICISI account.

No one has the 'power' to proclaim himself the 'official account'. Armis has said that Official PICISI or Offical PICISI is not the official forum account of the PICISI 'project'.

For reference: https://archive.is/llH1y

The "PICISI" account is authorized to speak on behalf of PICISI.  

[redsn0w]

I, personally, no longer give a fuck about this place. It's hit the scumbaggery critical mass a while ago, it's no longer about bitcoin. It's about making money off bitcoin, about *selling* warez & hacked accounts, about loansharking and getting pickpocketed in the lending section, about running second-rate scams in the "securities" section, about buying and selling accounts, about posting shit just to get paid from a sig ad, about running ponzis and about fucking moron marks who "play" them.

Well, you must give a "fuck" if you keep posting here.  I know when I lose respect for a website I just leave.  I don't continue to engage with it.  I don't feel a need to insult the others who still go there.  And I certainly don't make a throw away account - I always stand behind my words.

But you're right about the shitfest.  It seems to come in waves - some weeks there is a lot of scamming and then other weeks there is hardly anything at all.

(Time to move on from this thread.  Look forward to the new Pickissy website next week!)

Can I say you one thing? Without receive any negative trust from you (it could be really useless):


Why the 'official' PICISI account (so he should be Armis) is posting in your 'locked' thread? Because correct me if I'm wrong, is Armis the creator of this 'project'?

[redsn0w]

But why have not the others account* :

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513876
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513834

*received a negative trust from Vod? Armis, do you have created and started the PICISI 'project'? So is not it needed an official account, you can write or say whatever you want (related with the 'project') from your actual account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=225066)?

All these things make me more confusional, and the manage of this situation by both part is really strange.

[Armis]

But why have not the others account* :

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513876
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513834

*received a negative trust from Vod? Armis, do you have created and started the PICISI 'project'? So is not it needed an official account, you can write or say whatever you want (related with the 'project') from your actual account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=225066)?

All these things make me more confusional, and the manage of this situation by both part is really strange.

redsn0w -- the two accounts that you provided links to not authorized to speak on behalf of PICISI.

The account in the photo is the only PICISI account authorized to speak on behalf of PICISI

[redsn0w]

But why have not the others account* :

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513876
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=513834

*received a negative trust from Vod? Armis, do you have created and started the PICISI 'project'? So is not it needed an official account, you can write or say whatever you want (related with the 'project') from your actual account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=225066)?

All these things make me more confusional, and the manage of this situation by both part is really strange.

redsn0w -- the two accounts that you provided links to not authorized to speak on behalf of PICISI.

The account in the photo is the only PICISI account authorized to speak on behalf of PICISI

Thanks for your clarification, so basically someone is trolling and it is really strange that those account posted in the Vod's thread (that it was locked) but who cares ... because everyone can make his own conclusion like me (and remember I am neutral).

[Vod]

Thanks for your clarification, so basically someone is trolling and it is really strange that those account posted in the Vod's thread (that it was locked) but who cares ... because everyone can make his own conclusion like me (and remember I am neutral).

Oh boy...    I hope this helps you understand.

Pickissy is obviously my alt - I've made no efforts to hide the fact it was my alt. I made it to create a PICISI website exposing Armis' scams.  Armis also made the alt account "PICISI".  Having good morals, I can't continue to let himself pass his fake company as a charity, so I have decided to take action.  I have generously given Armis a week to claim ownership of the phrase.  He's been pretending it's his company for months, but of course it doesn't exist.  So I'm going to form the legal company, trademark the name and make the website.  Then Pickissy will be the only account authorized to speak for the official PICISI website.  The website I make will be nothing like the website Armis continues to claim is coming - mine will be educational and won't be asking for donations.  There will be no way a reasonable person will confuse my legit website with Armis' scam.  He may launch a website later, but it will not be the official PICISI website.

I originally made the account "Offical PICISI" and then the corrected spelling "Official PICISI" but I have decided not to use them because it can be argued I'm trying to impersonate the account "PICISI" and scam donations like Armis is doing.  I may log onto them one more time to replace the important comments word for word with the new Pickissy account, just to avoid future confusion.

I hope everyone understands I can't keep coming back here to defend against Armis' lies about me - "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain  Remember, he does not stand behind his words, so consider whatever he posts with a grain of salt.  He has free reign to lie about me all he wants for the next week.

We're giving you a week Armis - take a shit or get off the toilet!  And no complaining later on when people (and Google) associate the phrase PICISI with an educational website - you have your chance to legitimize yourself now!  

Peace people, I am outta here - we'll continue this in about a week.

[Armis]

Thanks for your clarification, so basically someone is trolling and it is really strange that those account posted in the Vod's thread (that it was locked) but who cares ... because everyone can make his own conclusion like me (and remember I am neutral).

Oh boy...    I hope this helps you understand.

Pickissy is obviously my alt - I've made no efforts to hide the fact it was my alt. I made it to create a PICISI website exposing Armis' scams.  Armis also made the alt account "PICISI".  Having good morals, I can't continue to let himself pass his fake company as a charity, so I have decided to take action.  I have generously given Armis a week to claim ownership of the phrase.  He's been pretending it's his company for months, but of course it doesn't exist.  So I'm going to form the legal company, trademark the name and make the website.  Then Pickissy will be the only account authorized to speak for the official PICISI website.  The website I make will be nothing like the website Armis continues to claim is coming - mine will be educational and won't be asking for donations.  There will be no way a reasonable person will confuse my legit website with Armis' scam.  He may launch a website later, but it will not be the official PICISI website.

I originally made the account "Offical PICISI" and then the corrected spelling "Official PICISI" but I have decided not to use them because it can be argued I'm trying to impersonate the account "PICISI" and scam donations like Armis is doing.  I may log onto them one more time to replace the important comments word for word with the new Pickissy account, just to avoid future confusion.

I hope everyone understands I can't keep coming back here to defend against Armis' lies about me - "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain  Remember, he does not stand behind his words, so consider whatever he posts with a grain of salt.  He has free reign to lie about me all he wants for the next week.

We're giving you a week Armis - take a shit or get off the toilet!  And no complaining later on when people (and Google) associate the phrase PICISI with an educational website - you have your chance to legitimize yourself now!  

Peace people, I am outta here - we'll continue this in about a week.

After all of the other nonsense this doesn't surprise me. 

[redsn0w]

Thanks for your clarification, so basically someone is trolling and it is really strange that those account posted in the Vod's thread (that it was locked) but who cares ... because everyone can make his own conclusion like me (and remember I am neutral).

Oh boy...    I hope this helps you understand.

Pickissy is obviously my alt - I've made no efforts to hide the fact it was my alt. I made it to create a PICISI website exposing Armis' scams.  Armis also made the alt account "PICISI".  Having good morals, I can't continue to let himself pass his fake company as a charity, so I have decided to take action.  I have generously given Armis a week to claim ownership of the phrase.  He's been pretending it's his company for months, but of course it doesn't exist.  So I'm going to form the legal company, trademark the name and make the website.  Then Pickissy will be the only account authorized to speak for the official PICISI website.  The website I make will be nothing like the website Armis continues to claim is coming - mine will be educational and won't be asking for donations.  There will be no way a reasonable person will confuse my legit website with Armis' scam.  He may launch a website later, but it will not be the official PICISI website.

I originally made the account "Offical PICISI" and then the corrected spelling "Official PICISI" but I have decided not to use them because it can be argued I'm trying to impersonate the account "PICISI" and scam donations like Armis is doing.  I may log onto them one more time to replace the important comments word for word with the new Pickissy account, just to avoid future confusion.

I hope everyone understands I can't keep coming back here to defend against Armis' lies about me - "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain  Remember, he does not stand behind his words, so consider whatever he posts with a grain of salt.  He has free reign to lie about me all he wants for the next week.

We're giving you a week Armis - take a shit or get off the toilet!  And no complaining later on when people (and Google) associate the phrase PICISI with an educational website - you have your chance to legitimize yourself now!  

Peace people, I am outta here - we'll continue this in about a week.

After all of the other nonsense this doesn't surprise me. 

It was not a "nice" and good way to resolve the situation, but everyone make his choices (and pay for them). Good luck with 'this battle', I am also waiting both sites.

[Armis]

It has come to my attention that Vod was feed poor intelligence by someone wanting to be a PICISI sponsor, the information did not originate from any PICISI sponsor as we were mislead to believe.  Not one of the 23 PICISI sponsors issued a complaint, requested a refund, or expressed a desire to change their association.

So all of Vod's irresponsible behavior was not in defense of any PICISI's sponsor, that's why he would not tell me who it was because he could not, it was a total fabrication, no sponsor complaint ever existed.

To everyone reading this message PICISI is a good plan, PICISI will be an honorable company, and PICISI will do great things for the CC industry.

As a direct result of this madness the following change is now in effect -- sponsorship will no longer be open to all, there is only 1 sponsorship invitation outstanding, I am now withdrawing that invitation.  If someone wants to be a PICISI sponsor it will be incumbent on them to persuade PICISI as to why that should be.

Here is what hasn't changed -- sponsorship is 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed, always was, always will be.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Mind answering?

3. Armis if you want transparency you should be posting guarantees about WHO YOU ARE running this venture. Being anonymous is not the right move and sends up some pretty large red flags for me personally.

He always ignores this question.  Why does he have the need to be anonymous?  What is he planning that he doesn't want to be identified? 

IMHO you shouldn't force him to reveal himself. He has the right to be a pseudo-anonymous operator. The only concern is how he store cryptocurrencies. As long as he get a trusted partner who holds money, there won't be a problem. Also, I think he should rephrase his organization's(?) name. "Charity" in it is misleading.

Muhammed the company name is PICISI.  the phrase pertaining to the letters of the name when said out loud as a phrase "Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas" tells you what the company is about what they do, its not designed for any single word to say what the business is, it's meant for all of the words as a phrase to say what the business is about.  Clearly not what most are used to but neither is cryptocurrency. 

PICISI is a crowdfunding site under construction, PICISI is a business plan for a crowdfunding business, and PICISI is not a six word name for a company it's a one-word name with six letters PICISI pronounced (pick-easy).


I asked Vod to play out examples that he feels have exposure so that everyone could know in practical terms where risks exist and the degree of risk, but he ignored it. 

So why don't you setup an example pertaining to PICISI where money, investors, customers, clients, and/or sponsors may be at risk of losing money dealing with PICISI.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but if your company is not a charity why are you using word charity there? I thought it was charity at first and the thread makes me confused...

[Armis]

Mind answering?

3. Armis if you want transparency you should be posting guarantees about WHO YOU ARE running this venture. Being anonymous is not the right move and sends up some pretty large red flags for me personally.

He always ignores this question.  Why does he have the need to be anonymous?  What is he planning that he doesn't want to be identified?  

IMHO you shouldn't force him to reveal himself. He has the right to be a pseudo-anonymous operator. The only concern is how he store cryptocurrencies. As long as he get a trusted partner who holds money, there won't be a problem. Also, I think he should rephrase his organization's(?) name. "Charity" in it is misleading.

Muhammed the company name is PICISI.  the phrase pertaining to the letters of the name when said out loud as a phrase "Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas" tells you what the company is about what they do, its not designed for any single word to say what the business is, it's meant for all of the words as a phrase to say what the business is about.  Clearly not what most are used to but neither is cryptocurrency.  

PICISI is a crowdfunding site under construction, PICISI is a business plan for a crowdfunding business, and PICISI is not a six word name for a company it's a one-word name with six letters PICISI pronounced (pick-easy).


I asked Vod to play out examples that he feels have exposure so that everyone could know in practical terms where risks exist and the degree of risk, but he ignored it.  

So why don't you setup an example pertaining to PICISI where money, investors, customers, clients, and/or sponsors may be at risk of losing money dealing with PICISI.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but if your company is not a charity why are you using word charity there? I thought it was charity at first and the thread makes me confused...

Gisado, Muhammed, and others "... the ... name is PICISI ... The phrase pertaining to the letters of the name when said out loud as a phrase: "Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, an Ideas" it tells you what the company is about what they do, its not designed for any single word to say what the business is, it's meant for all of the words as a phrase to say what the business is about..."  The company name is not a six-word name, it's a one-word name PICISI pronounced (pick-easy).  The word in the image in the OP is the name of the plan, "the company", the site, the business, the entity, and the endeavor.

PICISI is not a charity, there is nowhere that should say otherwise.  The only proper description given for PICISI is that it is a crowdfunding site.   There are over 15 original articles, and over 100 different publication reprints there are about 7 different threads all telling everyone what PICISI will be, nowhere in that mountain of data is any material indicating that PICISI will be anything other than a crowdfunding site.

PICISI is a crowdfunding start-up currently under construction that will permit campaign organizers to raise funds in fiat and or cryptocurrency for many purposes.  PICISI will have a number of sponsors many of those sponsors will want to associate with the site in order to promote their respective CCs.  Please reference the article on 'sponsors'.  

The PICISI issued currency is Pi, it is a currency for use in the day-to-day business operation of PICISI, it will be used for 4 main purposes:
1) to raised funds for start-up, and for multiple operational licensens worldwide,
2) to be used to pay Promotion Contractors worldwide who do assignments for PICISI
3) to be used as an host CC option for Campaign Organizers,
and
4) to be used as a CC payment option for PICISI sponsors seeing to pay with Pi.
For more information about Pi reference the articles about Pi.

PICISI will be associated with various self-employed people around the world some will be Promotion Contractors who do assignments for PICISI and are paid with Pi, and some will be Campaign Contractors who do assignments for Campaign Organizers and are paid by the organizer.  For more details about Associates and Assignments see the article about PICISI Assignments.


Thanks

[Muhammed Zakir]

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

[Armis]

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

That's a very good question but I don't exactly understand it, please rephrase the question with elaboration.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

That's a very good question but I don't exactly understand it, please rephrase the question with elaboration.

I don't understand. If you didn't understand what I asked, how can it be a very good question?

When you raise funds, you need to store it somewhere before giving it to the person who started crowdfunding or is the funds send directly to the user's address when sponsors fund it?

[pickissy]

it's a one-word name PICISI pronounced (pick-easy).

It's pronounced Pick-issy, like my user name.   

[Armis]

it's a one-word name PICISI pronounced (pick-easy).

It's pronounced Pick-issy, like my user name.   

Given your name and your signature you are clearly a fraud.   You are only trying to make it appear that you are related to PICISI but you are not.

As was pointed out by others, Vod the "scam buster" should be trying to root out such fraudulent practices not perpetuating them with these irresponsible actions. 

[Armis]

And now a word from a current PICISI Sponsor who will bring on a new sponsor:

It has come to my attention that Vod was feed poor intelligence by someone wanting to be a PICISI sponsor, the information did not originate from any PICISI sponsor as we were mislead to believe.  Not one of the 23 PICISI sponsors issued a complaint, requested a refund, or expressed a desire to change their association.

So all of Vod's irresponsible behavior was not in defense of any PICISI's sponsor, that's why he would not tell me who it was because he could not, it was a total fabrication, no sponsor complaint ever existed.

To everyone reading this message PICISI is a good plan, PICISI will be an honorable company, and PICISI will do great things for the CC industry.

As a direct result of this madness the following change is now in effect -- sponsorship will no longer be open to all, there is only 1 sponsorship invitation outstanding, I am now withdrawing that invitation.  If someone wants to be a PICISI sponsor it will be incumbent on them to persuade PICISI as to why that should be.

Here is what hasn't changed -- sponsorship is 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed, always was, always will be.

I have still trust in Armis and his idea and will continue to support it, and as soon as i have everything in personal life sorted will also make my game/site a sponsor.

Keep on the good work!

[pickissy]

Given your name and your signature you are clearly a fraud.   You are only trying to make it appear that you are related to PICISI but you are not.

Only one of us can be officially related to PICISI and the other a fraud.  Right now we each have the claim against the other.  The truth will come out next week when one of us commits, right?     I hope at that time you will stop passing yourself off as officially speaking for the PICISI.

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

Keep asking Muhammed Zakir!  Don't let him ignore your question!   

[djnocide]

Given your name and your signature you are clearly a fraud.   You are only trying to make it appear that you are related to PICISI but you are not.

Only one of us can be officially related to PICISI and the other a fraud.  Right now we each have the claim against the other.  The truth will come out next week when one of us commits, right?     I hope at that time you will stop passing yourself off as officially speaking for the PICISI.

True that an account created yesterday can represent a project that started 6 months ago. 

[Armis]

Given your name and your signature you are clearly a fraud.   You are only trying to make it appear that you are related to PICISI but you are not.

Only one of us can be officially related to PICISI and the other a fraud.  Right now we each have the claim against the other.  The truth will come out next week when one of us commits, right?    I hope at that time you will stop passing yourself off as officially speaking for the PICISI.

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

Keep asking Muhammed Zakir!  Don't let him ignore your question!  

If you think you are authorized to speak for PICISI then you answer Muhammed Zakir's question.   That one is for you Fod

[pickissy]

If you think you are authorized to speak for PICISI then you answer Muhammed Zakir's question.

Ok- thank you.  Armis is not authorized to speak for the official PICISI (Pickissy) site or business.

The official PICISI project is not a crowd-funding ptrject and does not collect donations or deposits for distribution.

If Armis requests money under the guise of it going towards a PICISI project, then he is obviously scamming.

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

Armis will be taking the raised funds and use them for his personal use.  None will be used/stored for official PICISI business.  

[pickissy]

Check out this post that was spammed all over the forum yesterday in seven different place - simple cut and paste.

As a direct result of this madness the following change is now in effect -- sponsorship will no longer be open to all, there is only 1 sponsorship invitation outstanding, I am now withdrawing that invitation.  If someone wants to be a PICISI sponsor it will be incumbent on them to persuade PICISI as to why that should be.

And now a word from a current PICISI Sponsor who will bring on a new sponsor:

Anyone else notice the intense persuasion there?  Looks like Armis just let "anyone" in again.  And he's now considering comments for possible future support to be "sponsors" - lol

For the record - the official PICISI project will not require sponsors.  Any money given to someone in the promise of a Pickissy sponsorship should consider that person as a scammer.



You still have 6 days Armis.  Shit or get off the pot.  Stop the play time - you are dealing with real money, you need a real business.  After 6 days I will create the official project and will it in a public, legal manner.

[Armis]

Check out this post that was spammed all over the forum yesterday in seven different place - simple cut and paste.

As a direct result of this madness the following change is now in effect -- sponsorship will no longer be open to all, there is only 1 sponsorship invitation outstanding, I am now withdrawing that invitation.  If someone wants to be a PICISI sponsor it will be incumbent on them to persuade PICISI as to why that should be. [/color]

And now a word from a current PICISI Sponsor who will bring on a new sponsor:

Anyone else notice the intense persuasion there?  Looks like Armis just let "anyone" in again.  And he's now considering comments for possible future support to be "sponsors" - lol

For the record - the official PICISI project will not require sponsors.  Any money given to someone in the promise of a Pickissy sponsorship should consider that person as a scammer.



You still have 6 days Armis.  Shit or get off the pot.  Stop the play time - you are dealing with real money, you need a real business.  After 6 days I will create the official project and will it in a public, legal manner.

Red is old news: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060445.msg11397837#msg11397837

keep up with the thread

[Armis]

Oh and the nonsense didn't stop there,
 - creating a fake "official PICISI" accounts  - no longer is use.  Determined it was too close to your PICISI username to be ethical to use
 - creating a fake "offical PICISI" account  - no longer is use.  Determined it was too close to your PICISI username to be ethical to use
 - creating a PICSIS account (see spelling) - can't find this username, but it wasn't created by me.
 - creating a pickissy account - the official account used by the official PICISI site.  The only account legally authorized to speak on behalf of the website.

You forgot this one:

- creating a fake "Armis_" account- not created my me.  Probably created by Armis to make me look bad.  I have left the "Armis_" account negative trust.  Feel free to let me know if you find any others.

I'm too honest and ethical to create fake accounts to try and steal donations - and the Administrators of the site can see this.

The only account that is used is Pickissy - the one that actually represents the official PICISI project.  The official PICISI site does not ask for donations.  Ignore any other user names presented to you by a known scammer.

You created fake accounts then later 'determine' that it was unethical then closed them.   But some how you could not see how ethical it was while you were thinking about it?
I was unethical as a though, it was unethical when you started to process, it was unethical when you agreed to the terms of the site that said you would not do such things, it was unethical when you used it to access the site, it was unethical when you used it to create an entry, it was unethical when you allowed it to remain as long as you did.
that applies to each of the accounts that you made that have any relation to PICISI.

To call yourself "honest and ethical" after admitting to mass unethical behavior is a liar admitting to being a liar and wanting credit for momentarily telling the truth.

[djnocide]

Anyone else notice the intense persuasion there?  Looks like Armis just let "anyone" in again.  And he's now considering comments for possible future support to be "sponsors" - lol

I have still trust in Armis and his idea and will continue to support it, and as soon as i have everything in personal life sorted will also make my game/site a sponsor.

Keep on the good work!

seems like reading and understanding what you're talking about isn't your top priority.
If you read it correctly, xpooky is already a sponsor for PICISI and when ''his personal life is sorted'' he will make HIS game/site a sponsor to for PICISI. So one sponsor who owns a site and make it a sponsor too. Armis isn't letting anyone in again.

I still don't understand why you're so focused on misinformation about this project.

[pickissy]

You created fake accounts then later 'determine' that it was unethical then closed them.   But some how you could not see how ethical it was while you were thinking about it?
I was unethical as a though, it was unethical when you started to process, it was unethical when you agreed to the terms of the site that said you would not do such things, it was unethical when you used it to access the site, it was unethical when you used it to create an entry, it was unethical when you allowed it to remain as long as you did.
that applies to each of the accounts that you made that have any relation to PICISI.

To call yourself "honest and ethical" after admitting to mass unethical behavior is a liar admitting to being a liar and wanting credit for momentarily telling the truth.

You copied and pasted that exact same text in as least two other threads (so far).  It appears your MO is post the same bullshit in multiple places (even threads I'm not involved in), hoping the person will be forced to do the same to defend themselves and reduce their credibility.

I won't play your unethical game.  My response to this BS post was in another thread, and I won't copy/paste it here.  You can read my response:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976704.msg11405829#msg11405829

[Muhammed Zakir]

-snip-

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

Keep asking Muhammed Zakir!  Don't let him ignore your question!  

I am in a neutral position. I still haven't "clearly" understood about PICISI. So hearing both sides...

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

That's a very good question but I don't exactly understand it, please rephrase the question with elaboration.

I don't understand. If you didn't understand what I asked, how can it be a very good question?

When you raise funds, you need to store it somewhere before giving it to the person who started crowdfunding or is the funds send directly to the user's address when sponsors fund it?

Armis, please don't ignore.

[Armis]

This is going nowhere.  You know what you're doing is wrong (and illegal) but you won't change anything because you have a "get of jail free" card in the form of anonymity.  You don't care if most people initially think you're a charity because it helps with donations.  You're trying to see if you can build community support to continue your long con - but I believe this community is smarter than you think.

A good scam buster knows when to step back and let the scammer continue to damage himself.  That is what I'm going to do.  I'm still going to contact your sponsors/supporters (I haven't yet) and link them to the PICSIS website I'm building so you can't fool more gullible people.  This will happen in the next couple days week (I have an important exam on Tuesday I need to study for). (If you have a problem with this, you'll have to step out of the shadows and deal with me legally, like an non-scamming adult.)

But I'm done arguing in circles with you.  WHEN YOU ARE READY to address the community's issues, back your words up and make changes, contact me and I'll help you.  But don't contact me until you are sincere about your desire to do things the proper, trustworthy way.

Defend that?  What class did you learn that in?  You are deVod of any class, you are trying to extort information from me that I have absolutely no obligation to disclose and you talk about class?

You go to 7 different threads in addition to 3 PICISI sponsor thread and defame my username's character and you talk about Class, you threaten to create websites, create BCT user names, and then use them to impersonate PICISI and you talk about CLASS, no that VOD, class does no reside in the mind or heart that thinks on those things acts in those ways and refused to turn from his wickedness. 

You have no moral right to talk about class, it's be over 24 hours for you to look at the facts and make a good determination of what is actually true but instead of using that time to study the facts you used them to slander and defame my username. 

Class, you should be ashamed of yourself, and those who will protect your evil deed should be equally ashamed of themselves.

[Vod]

Again, this post is a copy/paste from another thread.  How many times do I need to restate the obvious?

My final reply to this anonymous scammer can be found here later in this thread.  I will not reply further to either thread as he will not stand behind what he posts.   

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976704.msg11406506#msg11406506

Armis, please don't ignore.

GOOD LUCK!  

[Armis]

-snip-

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

Keep asking Muhammed Zakir!  Don't let him ignore your question!  

I am in a neutral position. I still haven't "clearly" understood about PICISI. So hearing both sides...

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

That's a very good question but I don't exactly understand it, please rephrase the question with elaboration.

I don't understand. If you didn't understand what I asked, how can it be a very good question?

When you raise funds, you need to store it somewhere before giving it to the person who started crowdfunding or is the funds send directly to the user's address when sponsors fund it?

Armis, please don't ignore.

Muhammed, I am not ignoring you.

When I read your question the first time I thought I understood it and simply didn't know the answer, then when I read it the second time and thought I understood it I believed I would need consultation to answer it, then when I read it the third time and thought I understood it I was going to answer it based on what I though was the question but then I realized that if my presumption was incorrect that I would be answering the wrong question and perhaps seen as dodging the question, so instead I simply asked you to rephrase the question with more detail so that I could try to understand it as you are asking.

[Muhammed Zakir]

-snip-

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

That's a very good question but I don't exactly understand it, please rephrase the question with elaboration.

I don't understand. If you didn't understand what I asked, how can it be a very good question?

When you raise funds, you need to store it somewhere before giving it to the person who started crowdfunding or is the funds send directly to the user's address when sponsors fund it?

Armis, please don't ignore.

Muhammed, I am not ignoring you.

When I read your question the first time I thought I understood it and simply didn't know the answer, then when I read it the second time and thought I understood it I believed I would need consultation to answer it, then when I read it the third time and thought I understood it I was going to answer it based on what I though was the question but then I realized that if my presumption was incorrect that I would be answering the wrong question and perhaps seen as dodging the question, so instead I simply asked you to rephrase the question with more detail so that I could try to understand it as you are asking.

Frankly, I am disappointed to see that reply. I don't know how more can I simplify it.

Post the answer to what you understood from my question. PM me if you can't post here. I will post here if the answer you gave is what I wanted to know.

Edit: Rephrased question: When you receive money from crowdfunding, will you be holding onto it or sending it instantly to the person that would eventually get it?

[Armis]

-snip-

Thank you! Where/How are you planning to store raised funds?

That's a very good question but I don't exactly understand it, please rephrase the question with elaboration.

I don't understand. If you didn't understand what I asked, how can it be a very good question?

When you raise funds, you need to store it somewhere before giving it to the person who started crowdfunding or is the funds send directly to the user's address when sponsors fund it?

Armis, please don't ignore.

Muhammed, I am not ignoring you.

When I read your question the first time I thought I understood it and simply didn't know the answer, then when I read it the second time and thought I understood it I believed I would need consultation to answer it, then when I read it the third time and thought I understood it I was going to answer it based on what I though was the question but then I realized that if my presumption was incorrect that I would be answering the wrong question and perhaps seen as dodging the question, so instead I simply asked you to rephrase the question with more detail so that I could try to understand it as you are asking.

Frankly, I am disappointed to see that reply. I don't know how more can I simplify it.

Post the answer to what you understood from my question. PM me if you can't post here. I will post here if the answer you gave is what I wanted to know.

Edit: Rephrased question: When you receive money from crowdfunding, will you be holding onto it or sending it instantly to the person that would eventually get it?

Muhammed, I didn't ask for simplification I asked for more clarity.

I now have more clarity, as it turns out it was nothing like what I thought you were talking about.

Here is your answer:
When someone goes to the site they will have the opportunity to collect funds in fiat and CC, the fiat is collected by way of Paypal the organizer receives their share of the donation and the site receives its share of the donation.    For CC, depending on what the host CC sponsor is all other CCs donated to that campaign will be immediately converted to the host CC sponsor's CC and held for the duration of the campaign or until the organizer wants to use the funds to use the services of the Campaign Contractors.  In that case we will escrow all of the funds necessary for that particular transaction and upon the customer's satisfaction with the services provided the escrowed funds are released to the contractor.  feedback will be issued by the escrow agent and both parties are encouraged to leave feedback too.

In that example every CC donation was an example where the CC was used as a currency not simply as a commodity,  then whoever the host currency sponsor is is also receiving some market appreciation to the extent of all of the funds that are being converted from the donated currency to the host CC.  And lastly when the organizer used the services of the campaign contractor to do work for the campaign (video, article, music, etc...) then the host CC money is used a second time.   

I only mentioned 1 sponsorship opportunity in that example there are 5 to each account and 3 of them could have multiple sponsors. 

Oh, and because of we expect to have a sea of sponsors as well as the nature of CC in terms of microfinance we could assure each and every campaign that is approved will receive some level of funding and some level of sponsorship if they want it -- every campaign will get something.

[Armis]

Vod is using a scammy account to give the false impression that he speaks for PICISI, but worse than that he is also actually lying when he claims that any sponsor requested a refund, not sponsor requested any refund.  In fact 1 has indicated that his next new business will also be a PICISI sponsor.

This is outrageous, not only because Vod is purporting to be associated with PICISI, but he's claiming that I said things that I didn't say in that post.  Note that the thread is locked and apparently only unlocked when Vod want to make a new entry.   That is not free speech that's libelous misrepresentation:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060460.0

[Armis]

I just received a private message from Armis.  I have no idea why he/she thought it's a good idea to send this to me:  

Vod is using a scammy account to give the false impression that he speaks for PICISI, but worse than that he is also actually lying when he claims that any sponsor requested a refund, not sponsor requested any refund.  In fact 1 has indicated that his next new business will also be a PICISI sponsor.

This is outrageous, not only because Vod is purporting to be associated with PICISI, but he's claiming that I said things that I didn't say in that post.  Note that the thread is locked and apparently only unlocked when Vod want to make a new entry.   That is not free speech that's libelous misrepresentation:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060460.0

[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JxJSZzvr1kE/VVmSnbffU7I/AAAAAAAABB8/ExyvzC62wR4/w1218-h685-no/vod%2B3.png[/im]

Oh and the nonsense didn't stop there,
 - creating a fake "official PICISI" accounts  - no longer is use.  Determined it was too close to your PICISI username to be ethical to use
 - creating a fake "offical PICISI" account  - no longer is use.  Determined it was too close to your PICISI username to be ethical to use
 - creating a PICSIS account (see spelling) - can't find this username, but it wasn't created by me.
 - creating a pickissy account - the official account used by the official PICISI site.  The only account legally authorized to speak on behalf of the website.

You forgot this one:

- creating a fake "Armis_" account- not created my me.  Probably created by Armis to make me look bad.  I have left the "Armis_" account negative trust.  Feel free to let me know if you find any others.

I'm too honest and ethical to create fake accounts to try and steal donations - and the Administrators of the site can see this.

The only account that is used is Pickissy - the one that actually represents the official PICISI project.  The official PICISI site does not ask for donations.  Ignore any other user names presented to you by a known scammer.

You created fake accounts then later 'determine' that it was unethical then closed them.   But some how you could not see how unethical it was while you were thinking about it?

It was unethical when you thought about, that was the time to remove it, but you failed to,
it was unethical when you started the process, that was the 2nd time your conscious told you to reconsider, but you dismissed it,
it was unethical when you agreed to the terms of the site that essentially said operate by the golden rule, but you refused,
it was unethical when you used it to access the site, with that username but by this time there was no more good in you to stand for righteousness,
it was unethical when you used it to create an entry, and by this time your heart had to be beating faster because you knew or should have known that your wrong would be found out.
it was unethical when you allowed it to remain as long as you did. this is when other probably told you: "what are you doing?"  "Stop that", "take it down", "you're going to regret that", "I don't think you should do that", "that's going to be a problem for you",  "be careful with that I'm not sure if anyone is going to have your back on that" ... and only then was it "determined" that it was unethical.

and it wasn't for only one fake account, or two phony accounts, it was for at least THREE FRAUDULENT REPRESENTATIONS that you identified as unethical.  But it doesn't end there, you still created other accounts for the sole purpose of misrepresenting yourself as someone authorized to represent PICISI.  And have the audacity to claim that because the start-up hasn't started that you have the right to freely abuse and mistreat it. What are you some corporate abortionist?  

Then, after all of that you actually call yourself "honest and ethical" even after admitting to mass unethical behavior-- how pathological is that?

As indicated on the subject line of the correspondence, we believe this information is newsworthy and should be covered by those in the media.
If you are not part of the media please let me know and I will remove your name from the list, if you are associated with the media but don't want correspondence from me or anyone on behalf of PICISI please let me know and I will remove you from the list.


Thank you

 

[Armis]

As indicated on the subject line of the correspondence, we believe this information is newsworthy and should be covered by those in the media.
If you are not part of the media please let me know and I will remove your name from the list, if you are associated with the media but don't want correspondence from me or anyone on behalf of PICISI please let me know and I will remove you from the list.


Thank you

The messages you've sent me are not even remotely interesting to anyone. The media is not your personal army.

I don't want to receive any messages from you.

Done, your name was removed.

As for what the media decides to cover I've got a good feeling this is going to get far more traction than you expect.  Get your popcorn.

[Armis]

For those wonderings
This is the real and only Official PICISI account. From the beginning, we've made it clear, that is was the only account linked Officially to PICISI.

This account is the real and the only Official PICISI account.  Your claim and usage of our company name is fraudulent, as proven by an anonymous user and an imaginary company.

Don't be fooled - it will all be explained in the website launching next week.  

I have only noticed 'he' has wrong to write the forum username : Offical PICISI.
an archive page: https://archive.is/H9KJm  (for security).

Thank you for pointing this out redsn0w - I would hate to have started my new company with a spelling mistake.

There is no need for your security, even though it is commendable.  I don't intend to delete anything - I plan on conducting myself with morals and ethics as the proud owner of the official "PICKISSY" website.      

isn't it weird that someone who is claiming an other member is a scammer, has created a false account of the Project he accuse of being a scam?

Doesn't look right.

Everything can be answered when it's not a scam, he didn't asked. He just put false accusations.

This may help answer your question:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060460.msg11392537#msg11392537

We have created this account to stop the trademark poaching from the bitcointak username PICISI.  He does NOT represent our upcoming website or our company.

There's no credibility in your actions so far.

Hypocrite much?  You are using an anonymous account to poach our company name and solicit fraudulent donations in our company name.  No credibility in that and it makes us look bad.

We've generously given you a week.  Hope you make use of it!   Talk to you then.

The OFFICIAL PICISI account.

No one has the 'power' to proclaim himself the 'official account'. Armis has said that Official PICISI or Offical PICISI is not the official forum account of the PICISI 'project'.

The owner of the company has the right to state an official account.  The anonymous account Armis owns no company - he just pretends to, to solicit fraudulent donations.

Vod, is this your doings? Creating imposter accounts that are meant to appear be an account associated with someone that takes money from others (be it donations or otherwise) is generally considered scammy behavior. Although this may or may not be the intention, it would be very easy to use this account to get Armis's customers/sponsors/donators to give you money when that is not the intention.

I believe the intention of the Official PICISI account is to build a parody/education website dedicated to exposing long term scams, as he outlined in his post on my thread.  I believe it's covered under Fair Use and is perfectly legal, esp since Armis doesn't own any trademarks - he is just all talk.  There is no way a reasonable person would confuse the "Official PICISI" account with Armis since the website is called under a different name and Armis doesn't even have a website yet.

If there is any indication of scammy behavior on that thread - if he tries to impersonate Armis or solicit any money - if he even posts a bitcoin address - I will join you in leaving negative trust on his account.   Let's watch his Last Online and see if he is logging in to impersonate and scam.

In the meantime, let's give it a week and see what happens.  Who knows?  Armis may decide to do the right thing and step out of the shadows and I believe the Official PICSIS account when he claims he will step down and cease all operations.  

And if he doesn't, PICSIS will become the fake account since he will be poaching on a registered trademark.  

We have decided we will use this name instead - Pickissy - as our official website and forum account. This will avoid any claims that we are trying to impersonate the account "PICISI" or the scammer account "Armis".

It is the phonetic pronunciation of our website name.  Pick-issy

Pickissy - Exposing the Long Con

I, personally, no longer give a fuck about this place. It's hit the scumbaggery critical mass a while ago, it's no longer about bitcoin. It's about making money off bitcoin, about *selling* warez & hacked accounts, about loansharking and getting pickpocketed in the lending section, about running second-rate scams in the "securities" section, about buying and selling accounts, about posting shit just to get paid from a sig ad, about running ponzis and about fucking moron marks who "play" them.

Well, you must give a "fuck" if you keep posting here.  I know when I lose respect for a website I just leave.  I don't continue to engage with it.  I don't feel a need to insult the others who still go there.  And I certainly don't make a throw away account - I always stand behind my words.

But you're right about the shitfest.  It seems to come in waves - some weeks there is a lot of scamming and then other weeks there is hardly anything at all.

(Time to move on from this thread.  Look forward to the new Pickissy website next week!)

[Grand_Voyageur]

As indicated on the subject line of the correspondence, we believe this information is newsworthy and should be covered by those in the media.
If you are not part of the media please let me know and I will remove your name from the list, if you are associated with the media but don't want correspondence from me or anyone on behalf of PICISI please let me know and I will remove you from the list.


Thank you

The messages you've sent me are not even remotely interesting to anyone. The media is not your personal army.

I don't want to receive any messages from you.

If he was sending unsolicited PM to forum users (and you are a forum user) IMO you should report him for this spammy behaviour.

[Bicknellski]

If he was sending unsolicited PM to forum users (and you are a forum user) IMO you should report him for this spammy behaviour.

I did report this message.

Got him banned maybe?

[Armis]

If he was sending unsolicited PM to forum users (and you are a forum user) IMO you should report him for this spammy behaviour.

I did report this message.

Got him banned maybe?

Actually, when he reported "spam" apparently he expected them not to read the information, apparently they read it.   The bigger matter is being addressed on many fronts presently away from the visible threads.  

This is the quiet time before the storm.

[pickissy]

This is the quiet time before the storm.

When is this storm?  Is it as real in your mind as your "media frenzy"?

Dramatic flair with a huge dose of ego.

 

[Armis]

Well I hope you guys work this out Armis I am still interested in what you propose. Actually I would be interested in working with you much more closely in the future you are a bright chap!

Thanks for your kind and supportive words  we are nearing closer to site and coin launch:

1) recruit a min. of 6 admins, we now have 2;  
2) secure a min of 20 sponsors, we now have 23: (www.ArmisGame.com, The Einsteinium News, Crypto Cloud Hosting, Bitcoin PR Buzz, Crypto Database, Einsteinium, Metal Coin, HYPER, Hobonickels, Energy Coin, World Aid Coin, Artsry Coin, GSM, Sativacoin, Magi coin, HTML5, Coin2, Aricoin, NXT, Gridcoin, Goldpieces, MakingMoneyHoney.com, and Triangles); [goal achieved & surpassed]
3) secure a min of 8 campaigns to crowd fund, we now have 6;
4) recruit a min of 1 referral agent, we now have 1; [goal achieved]:
5) associate with a min of 2 promotion contractors, we now have 15: [goal achieved & surpassed]
6) associate with a min of 1 campaign contractor, we now have 12; [goal achieved & surpassed]
and
7) publish a min of 5 ‘about PICISI’ articles, we now have 12, [goal achieved & surpassed] .

[Vod]

Well I hope you guys work this out Armis I am still interested in what you propose. Actually I would be interested in working with you much more closely in the future you are a bright chap!

Not even from this thread.      Another copy/paste spam fest.  You drinking tonight Armis? 

[Armis]

ARmis is NOT a scammer. He is trying to make things happen

Vod created many impostor accounts to misrepresent PICISI, one of those accounts (pickissy) he uses frequently in an effort to misrepresent PICISI and to wrongly claim that he speaks for me.  This notice is written to  demand that Vod stop misrepresenting PICISI, to stop falsely speaking for me, and to stop harassing me, PICISI, PICISI sponsors, and all those who wish to legitimately discuss and consider PICISI.

It is considered "scammy" to create impostor accounts, Vod created at least 3 of them (Official PICISI, Offical PICISI, and Pickissy).  It is considered a 'scam' to used such impostor accounts to give people the impression that they speak for the person or entity being misrepresented -- Vod has done both.

If someone created an account 'Official Theymos' it would be considered 'scammy', if they then used the account to give others the impression that they speak for 'Theymos' or for 'bitcointalk.org' it would be considered misrepresentation EVEN if they later created a website called 'theofficialbitcointalk.org'. 

The simple fact is it would be misbehavior because it would misrepresent the truth and seek to deceive the innocent.

Vod's misbehaviors is currently being discussed with numerous levels of authority on this site and outside of this site.