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May 15, 2015, 07:28:36 AM
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Islamic State (IS) has released an audio message it says is from its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, which if confirmed would be the first in months.
The message urges Muslims to emigrate to the "caliphate" it has proclaimed in areas of Syria and Iraq. A reference to the Yemen conflict means it is recent.
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The speaker says: "There is no excuse for any Muslim not to migrate to the Islamic State... joining [its fight] is a duty on every Muslim. We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32744070

It's interesting to see such statements being projected by ISIS. I think that such provocative comments could even spark a conflict between Muslims. What's your view on this? Could see more Muslims opposing Jihad in the near future?

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May 15, 2015, 08:42:41 AM
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The speaker says: "There is no excuse for any Muslim not to migrate to the Islamic State... joining [its fight] is a duty on every Muslim. We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are."
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A duty? No excususes? Cheesy There are many reasons/excuses for not joining this innocents-killing army. I really hope he knows what he is talking about. There is nothing hidden in what he is, just a political psycho.

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May 15, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

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May 15, 2015, 11:56:39 AM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.

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May 15, 2015, 12:10:31 PM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.

These people mainly target those people who are hurt by the Government or by other religions and have lost their family members due to a war or hurt due to similar events. Such people are emotionally weak and hence they don't mind joining these groups and kill others in the hope that their wounds will get some relief. When a person is weak, it's easy to mold them in a way you want and if one checks their members, half of them might be affected due to unfortunate circumstances and others might have been brain washed.

The fact is these leaders mostly don't do anything wrong themselves but they start forming groups who fight for them and harm others. These leaders sit back and enjoy the killing and since they have money, they get more and more people to join them.

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

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May 15, 2015, 12:22:23 PM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.

These people mainly target those people who are hurt by the Government or by other religions and have lost their family members due to a war or hurt due to similar events. Such people are emotionally weak and hence they don't mind joining these groups and kill others in the hope that their wounds will get some relief. When a person is weak, it's easy to mold them in a way you want and if one checks their members, half of them might be affected due to unfortunate circumstances and others might have been brain washed.

The fact is these leaders mostly don't do anything wrong themselves but they start forming groups who fight for them and harm others. These leaders sit back and enjoy the killing and since they have money, they get more and more people to join them.

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

I don't they "hate" humans, they just don't care humans. They want wealth and power and they will do whatever they like/want to get it.

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May 15, 2015, 12:58:00 PM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.
....

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

Bah.

I'm certain if we check, we will find across the world a set of "radical mullahs" who fully support the actions of ISIS, and who so preach to their faithful flocks.

That is why the word "radical" is put in front of the word "mullah."

No more dis information, please.
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May 15, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.
....

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

Bah.

I'm certain if we check, we will find across the world a set of "radical mullahs" who fully support the actions of ISIS, and who so preach to their faithful flocks.

That is why the word "radical" is put in front of the word "mullah."

No more dis information, please.

This is a disinformation as it is clear they are doing it for their political gains.

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May 15, 2015, 01:49:56 PM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.
....

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

Bah.

I'm certain if we check, we will find across the world a set of "radical mullahs" who fully support the actions of ISIS, and who so preach to their faithful flocks.

That is why the word "radical" is put in front of the word "mullah."

No more dis information, please.

This is a disinformation as it is clear they are doing it for their political gains.
Not if the political gains and the religious gains are the same.  The Global Caliphate.
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May 15, 2015, 03:10:08 PM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.
....

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

Bah.

I'm certain if we check, we will find across the world a set of "radical mullahs" who fully support the actions of ISIS, and who so preach to their faithful flocks.

That is why the word "radical" is put in front of the word "mullah."

No more dis information, please.

This is a disinformation as it is clear they are doing it for their political gains.
Not if the political gains and the religious gains are the same.  The Global Caliphate.

Power and money. This not a religious gain.

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May 15, 2015, 03:25:38 PM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.
....

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

Bah.

I'm certain if we check, we will find across the world a set of "radical mullahs" who fully support the actions of ISIS, and who so preach to their faithful flocks.

That is why the word "radical" is put in front of the word "mullah."

No more dis information, please.

This is a disinformation as it is clear they are doing it for their political gains.
Not if the political gains and the religious gains are the same.  The Global Caliphate.

Power and money. This not a religious gain.

You know, if the supreme religious leader of Iran says that his wish is to kill all Jews, and Zakir says something different, I think I'll believe the supreme religious leader of Iran.

If the supreme leader of ISIS says "There is no excuse for any Muslim not to migrate to the Islamic State... joining [its fight] is a duty on every Muslim. We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are.", I think I'll believe the ISIS leader instead of Zakir.

I am getting tired of your arrogant, know it all, smarter and wiser than you, attitude.  Some humility is in order, particularly in the face of and discussion about evil in the world.
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May 15, 2015, 03:52:59 PM
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Bah.

I'm certain if we check, we will find across the world a set of "radical mullahs" who fully support the actions of ISIS, and who so preach to their faithful flocks.

That is why the word "radical" is put in front of the word "mullah."

No more dis information, please.

The people known as "radical mullahs" who support the actions of the ISIS don't deserve to live as they are a threat to humanity. Their end will not affect us but their existence will affect us. I don't know what you think but it seems you believe that all Muslims are supporting the ISIS or such terror attacks? I just find it illogical if anyone comes out and blames religion for these actions and this proves that our world will never progress. What people used to think 1000 years ago, they think the same today. There was no education 1000 years back and today when there is, people don't seem to make use of it.

When earlier I used to believe that animals are unfortunate to be born in this world as they have no mind, today I find them the most fortunate of all as they don't belong to any religion. At least if they bite a person, nobody will be foolish to ask them their caste/religion/belief.

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May 15, 2015, 03:57:18 PM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.
....

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

Bah.

I'm certain if we check, we will find across the world a set of "radical mullahs" who fully support the actions of ISIS, and who so preach to their faithful flocks.

That is why the word "radical" is put in front of the word "mullah."

No more dis information, please.

This is a disinformation as it is clear they are doing it for their political gains.
Not if the political gains and the religious gains are the same.  The Global Caliphate.

Power and money. This not a religious gain.

You know, if the supreme religious leader of Iran says that his wish is to kill all Jews, and Zakir says something different, I think I'll believe the supreme religious leader of Iran.

If the supreme leader of ISIS says "There is no excuse for any Muslim not to migrate to the Islamic State... joining [its fight] is a duty on every Muslim. We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are.", I think I'll believe the ISIS leader instead of Zakir.

I am getting tired of your arrogant, know it all, smarter and wiser than you, attitude.  Some humility is in order, particularly in the face of and discussion about evil in the world.



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May 15, 2015, 04:03:34 PM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.
....

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

Bah.

I'm certain if we check, we will find across the world a set of "radical mullahs" who fully support the actions of ISIS, and who so preach to their faithful flocks.

That is why the word "radical" is put in front of the word "mullah."

No more dis information, please.

This is a disinformation as it is clear they are doing it for their political gains.
Not if the political gains and the religious gains are the same.  The Global Caliphate.

Power and money. This not a religious gain.

You know, if the supreme religious leader of Iran says that his wish is to kill all Jews, and Zakir says something different, I think I'll believe the supreme religious leader of Iran.

If the supreme leader of ISIS says "There is no excuse for any Muslim not to migrate to the Islamic State... joining [its fight] is a duty on every Muslim. We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are.", I think I'll believe the ISIS leader instead of Zakir.

I am getting tired of your arrogant, know it all, smarter and wiser than you, attitude.  Some humility is in order, particularly in the face of and discussion about evil in the world.

You can believe what you like. The "supreme leader of ISIS" is playing with lies. It will be uncovered sooner or later. A thing I want to tell you is that the "supreme leader of ISIS" is not the one who created Islam.

Hope there are no people who accepts his invitation.

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Thanks for another word of hatred! Undecided

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Perhaps he is right. In 90% of the cases, Islam was spread though the use of force, mostly in the form of conquests and genocides. There are hundreds of examples. The current day Pakistan, which is 97% Muslim now was a majority Hindu region just 5 centuries ago. Similarly, Indonesia (90% Muslim now) was mostly Hindu and Buddhist. Iran was Zoroastrian before the Islamic conquest. Afghanistan was Animist, Hindu and Buddhist.
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May 15, 2015, 07:21:43 PM
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It's interesting to see such statements being projected by ISIS. I think that such provocative comments could even spark a conflict between Muslims. What's your view on this? Could see more Muslims opposing Jihad in the near future?


Muslims also happen to be humans. Most humans just want to live in peace and be left alone. There are hundreds of millions of muslims who are just as disgusted by their perversion of Islam as your average cracker.
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.

These people mainly target those people who are hurt by the Government or by other religions and have lost their family members due to a war or hurt due to similar events. Such people are emotionally weak and hence they don't mind joining these groups and kill others in the hope that their wounds will get some relief. When a person is weak, it's easy to mold them in a way you want and if one checks their members, half of them might be affected due to unfortunate circumstances and others might have been brain washed.

The fact is these leaders mostly don't do anything wrong themselves but they start forming groups who fight for them and harm others. These leaders sit back and enjoy the killing and since they have money, they get more and more people to join them.

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

I don't they "hate" humans, they just don't care humans. They want wealth and power and they will do whatever they like/want to get it.
You're wrong, they are want to enforce Islamic law (sharia) to the world.
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May 17, 2015, 06:04:39 AM
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Educating Muslims to carry weapons to fight for what? Their rights? Rights to rape, kill, terror and finish other human beings in the name of religion. A slaughter explaining the benefits of killing.

I don't think Muslims who know Islam goes for it but still, some people including non-Muslims and Muslims may go to earn money.

ISIS and his bloody conspirators tells whatever they like to make their conspiracy come true.

These people mainly target those people who are hurt by the Government or by other religions and have lost their family members due to a war or hurt due to similar events. Such people are emotionally weak and hence they don't mind joining these groups and kill others in the hope that their wounds will get some relief. When a person is weak, it's easy to mold them in a way you want and if one checks their members, half of them might be affected due to unfortunate circumstances and others might have been brain washed.

The fact is these leaders mostly don't do anything wrong themselves but they start forming groups who fight for them and harm others. These leaders sit back and enjoy the killing and since they have money, they get more and more people to join them.

This isn't a religious fight but they are just cruel monsters who don't care about their religion but hate humans.

I don't they "hate" humans, they just don't care humans. They want wealth and power and they will do whatever they like/want to get it.
You're wrong, they are want to enforce Islamic law (sharia) to the world.

You are wrong. They don't follow Islamic law (sharia).

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You're wrong, they are want to enforce Islamic law (sharia) to the world.

You are wrong. They don't follow Islamic law (sharia).
How do you know? Please tell me your reason.
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You're wrong, they are want to enforce Islamic law (sharia) to the world.

You are wrong. They don't follow Islamic law (sharia).
How do you know? Please tell me your reason.

1. Kill innocents.
2. Hire people to kill innocents.
3. Watch porn videos.

And probably many more.

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