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May 17, 2015, 06:23:14 AM |
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You're wrong, they are want to enforce Islamic law (sharia) to the world.
You are wrong. They don't follow Islamic law (sharia). How do you know? Please tell me your reason. 1. Kill innocents. 2. Hire people to kill innocents. 3. Watch porn videos. And probably many more. Innocents? Who are they? Where did you got the news/story about those your reasons? Did you believe that news/story? Why?
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koshgel
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May 17, 2015, 06:23:44 AM |
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Muhammed Zakir
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May 17, 2015, 06:28:46 AM |
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You're wrong, they are want to enforce Islamic law (sharia) to the world.
You are wrong. They don't follow Islamic law (sharia). How do you know? Please tell me your reason. 1. Kill innocents. 2. Hire people to kill innocents. 3. Watch porn videos. And probably many more. Innocents? Who are they? Where did you got the news/story about those your reasons? Did you believe that news/story? Why? Aren't you following ISIS? They kill innocents including Muslims and non-Muslims by bombing, shooting, raping, torturing etc...
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dsyahputera
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May 17, 2015, 06:32:58 AM |
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You're wrong, they are want to enforce Islamic law (sharia) to the world.
You are wrong. They don't follow Islamic law (sharia). How do you know? Please tell me your reason. 1. Kill innocents. 2. Hire people to kill innocents. 3. Watch porn videos. And probably many more. Innocents? Who are they? Where did you got the news/story about those your reasons? Did you believe that news/story? Why? Aren't you following ISIS? They kill innocents including Muslims and non-Muslims by bombing, shooting, raping, torturing etc... Have you check that news/story? Did you believe a story came from a wicked? O you who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with any news, then you shall investigate it. Lest you harm a people out of ignorance, then you will become regretful over what you have done. al-Hujurat, ayah 6
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Muhammed Zakir
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May 17, 2015, 06:34:45 AM |
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You're wrong, they are want to enforce Islamic law (sharia) to the world.
You are wrong. They don't follow Islamic law (sharia). How do you know? Please tell me your reason. 1. Kill innocents. 2. Hire people to kill innocents. 3. Watch porn videos. And probably many more. Innocents? Who are they? Where did you got the news/story about those your reasons? Did you believe that news/story? Why? Aren't you following ISIS? They kill innocents including Muslims and non-Muslims by bombing, shooting, raping, torturing etc... Have you check that news/story? Did you believe a story came from a wicked? O you who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with any news, then you shall investigate it. Lest you harm a people out of ignorance, then you will become regretful over what you have done. al-Hujurat, ayah 6 +1. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Not any wicked. It's from trustworthy sources.
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bryant.coleman
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May 17, 2015, 07:36:24 AM |
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Did I ever said that Christianity was spread through the land with rainbows and flowers? Both Christianity and Islam used force as a means of getting new converts. Christianity was spread in the "New World" through a massive campaign of genocide, in which more than 90% of the native population was exterminated. Both these Abrahamic religions religions resemble more to organized business corporations than to other religions.
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dsyahputera
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May 17, 2015, 11:33:05 AM |
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-snip- The speaker says: "There is no excuse for any Muslim not to migrate to the Islamic State... joining [its fight] is a duty on every Muslim. We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are." -snip-
A duty? No excususes? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) There are many reasons/excuses for not joining this innocents-killing army. I really hope he knows what he is talking about. There is nothing hidden in what he is, just a political psycho. Excuses for jihad? 1. al-Baqarah: 216 2. an-Nisa’: 74 3. at-Tawbah: 38-39 4. Muhammad: 4-6 5. at-Tawbah: 41 and more... Yes, nothing hidden, his lineage all the way back to the prophet Muhammad (PBUH), don't you know?
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Muhammed Zakir
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May 17, 2015, 11:48:02 AM |
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-snip- The speaker says: "There is no excuse for any Muslim not to migrate to the Islamic State... joining [its fight] is a duty on every Muslim. We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are." -snip-
A duty? No excususes? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) There are many reasons/excuses for not joining this innocents-killing army. I really hope he knows what he is talking about. There is nothing hidden in what he is, just a political psycho. Excuses for jihad? 1. al-Baqarah: 216 2. an-Nisa’: 74 3. at-Tawbah: 38-39 4. Muhammad: 4-6 5. at-Tawbah: 41 and more... Yes, nothing hidden, his lineage all the way back to the prophet Muhammad (PBUH), don't you know? Out of context verses. You should look what these verses tell. The verses you picked doesn't end there or start there. Those verses tell to fight when the non-Muslims at the time of prophet tortured and killed many Muslims. Muslims had no choice other than to fight and these verses came at that time. It is mentioned in Qur'an that if the non-Muslims(at the time of prophet) didn't want to fight, don't hurt them.
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May 17, 2015, 12:34:14 PM |
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You're wrong, they are want to enforce Islamic law (sharia) to the world.
Then why do they kill people of their own religion? They don't consider them worth enough to exist in this world? Terrorists also kill people who belong to their own religion and call it their religious beliefs and some people who dislike the religion believe in it.
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redsn0w
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May 17, 2015, 12:47:01 PM |
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-snip- The speaker says: "There is no excuse for any Muslim not to migrate to the Islamic State... joining [its fight] is a duty on every Muslim. We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are." -snip-
A duty? No excususes? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) There are many reasons/excuses for not joining this innocents-killing army. I really hope he knows what he is talking about. There is nothing hidden in what he is, just a political psycho. Excuses for jihad? 1. al-Baqarah: 216 2. an-Nisa’: 74 3. at-Tawbah: 38-39 4. Muhammad: 4-6 5. at-Tawbah: 41 and more... Yes, nothing hidden, his lineage all the way back to the prophet Muhammad (PBUH), don't you know? Out of context verses. You should look what these verses tell. The verses you picked doesn't end there or start there. Those verses tell to fight when the non-Muslims at the time of prophet tortured and killed many Muslims. Muslims had no choice other than to fight and these verses came at that time. It is mentioned in Qur'an that if the non-Muslims(at the time of prophet) didn't want to fight, don't hurt them. But what does it mean "jihad"? Sometime ago, I have asked one my muslim friend and he told me that it is not a question of war/kill etc.... but jihad means an effort for 'you' to help others and spread the Islam religion. Now I do not think the ISIS members are muslim due this fact, they are not spreading the Islam (the contrary). Now I do not know if this is true (but I suppose : yes). Maybe someone here can say what does it mean "jihad".
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Muhammed Zakir
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May 17, 2015, 01:20:10 PM |
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-snip- The speaker says: "There is no excuse for any Muslim not to migrate to the Islamic State... joining [its fight] is a duty on every Muslim. We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are." -snip-
A duty? No excususes? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) There are many reasons/excuses for not joining this innocents-killing army. I really hope he knows what he is talking about. There is nothing hidden in what he is, just a political psycho. Excuses for jihad? 1. al-Baqarah: 216 2. an-Nisa’: 74 3. at-Tawbah: 38-39 4. Muhammad: 4-6 5. at-Tawbah: 41 and more... Yes, nothing hidden, his lineage all the way back to the prophet Muhammad (PBUH), don't you know? Out of context verses. You should look what these verses tell. The verses you picked doesn't end there or start there. Those verses tell to fight when the non-Muslims at the time of prophet tortured and killed many Muslims. Muslims had no choice other than to fight and these verses came at that time. It is mentioned in Qur'an that if the non-Muslims(at the time of prophet) didn't want to fight, don't hurt them. But what does it mean "jihad"? Sometime ago, I have asked one my muslim friend and he told me that it is not a question of war/kill etc.... but jihad means an effort for 'you' to help others and spread the Islam religion. Now I do not think the ISIS members are muslim due this fact, they are not spreading the Islam (the contrary). Now I do not know if this is true (but I suppose : yes). Maybe someone here can say what does it mean "jihad". http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9
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May 17, 2015, 04:07:14 PM |
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I don't know some deeper knowledge about Islam but what the ISIS is doing right is just completely unethical, immoral, and inhuman. Why would you promote rape, killing innocent people, torture, and war? Just to spread the word? I'm not knowledgeable about the Qur'an, but I'm pretty certain that there is not a verse there that promotes killing other innocent people just for the sake of Islam. Did I ever said that Christianity was spread through the land with rainbows and flowers? Both Christianity and Islam used force as a means of getting new converts. Christianity was spread in the "New World" through a massive campaign of genocide, in which more than 90% of the native population was exterminated. Both these Abrahamic religions religions resemble more to organized business corporations than to other religions.
I agree that the Roman Catholic Church once entered a state wherein they would burn people at stake who doesn't believe in god and combat heresy and witchcraft. The Holy Inquisition, that is. Even innocent people became victim of this brutal and unethical method. It was not even stated in the Bible but still they insist that it is "for God."
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May 17, 2015, 04:20:02 PM |
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ISIS contribution to our world is its evil satanic ideology of destruction and barbarism. I don't think they should be called fighters,murdering cowards is far more fitting.
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May 17, 2015, 04:31:15 PM |
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The sad part being that as long as there will be losers in the world, there will be people to follow him. Some years ago, those people would have joined the communist party, now they join that islamic state (they don't deserve caps).
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I used to be a citizen and a taxpayer. Those days are long gone.
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May 17, 2015, 04:35:39 PM |
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So basically (quoting some parts here): - The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving. - The arabic word for war is: "al-harb". ... - The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam. - Examples of sanctioned military jihad include the Muslims' defensive battles against the Crusaders in medieval times, and before that some responses by Muslims against Byzantine and Persian attacks during the period of the early Islamic conquests.
What the hell ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftechforum.it%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fasd.gif&t=665&c=S6TLyhcvth6UQQ) ? It is destroying all the concept, proclaim themselves muslim it is so simple ... but be a muslim is really 'hard'.
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Muhammed Zakir
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May 17, 2015, 04:49:25 PM |
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So basically (quoting some parts here): - The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving. - The arabic word for war is: "al-harb". ... - The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam. - Examples of sanctioned military jihad include the Muslims' defensive battles against the Crusaders in medieval times, and before that some responses by Muslims against Byzantine and Persian attacks during the period of the early Islamic conquests.
What the hell ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftechforum.it%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fasd.gif&t=665&c=S6TLyhcvth6UQQ) ? It is destroying all the concept, proclaim themselves muslim it is so simple ... but be a muslim is really 'hard'. I agree with last sentence. If you want to read more, you can read more articles by going through 'ARTICLE INDEX'. Quoting from that website: - Jihad is not a violent concept. - Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims. - Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.
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May 17, 2015, 05:14:14 PM |
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Its about time these extremists are dealt with. They are all deluded and are giving Muslims a bad name.
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Muhammed Zakir
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May 17, 2015, 05:17:38 PM |
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Its about time these extremists are dealt with. They are all deluded and are giving Muslims a bad name.
We can't call them "extremists" because they don't know anything about Islam and don't follow most rules of Islam. It is better to call them "n00bs". ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Aggressor66
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May 17, 2015, 05:26:31 PM |
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Its about time these extremists are dealt with. They are all deluded and are giving Muslims a bad name.
We can't call them "extremists" because they don't know anything about Islam and don't follow most rules of Islam. It is better to call them "n00bs". ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) or monstrous savages
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May 17, 2015, 06:03:11 PM |
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Its about time these extremists are dealt with. They are all deluded and are giving Muslims a bad name.
We can't call them "extremists" because they don't know anything about Islam and don't follow most rules of Islam. It is better to call them "n00bs". ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) PLease do not disgrace the honorable word Noobs/n00bs with Isis.
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