People should BAN F**kin P&D Groups just like Ryan PUMPER and Bobsurplus

[david1365]

Altcoins world is so toxic, cuz F**kin P&D groups, just like Ryan pumper and BOB and the others.
These F**Kin SCAMMERS, steal your coins everyday, and get rich.
They should be arrested and go to jail to punishment.
If you agree with me please discuss about it and keep up this thread.

[BSdetector]

Ditto


Ryan PUMPER and Bobsurplus Happy Birthday COCK-A-ROACHES.

[AltcoinInvestor]

Nope, they're clever enough to scam people.
The problem is "people is not getting smarter".

Whenever I saw some p&d group member on a coin I'm immediately dumping my coins That's what you should do.
When I saw bob on topic I'm telling that the coin is fucked up.

[david1365]

Nope, they're clever enough to scam people.
The problem is "people is not getting smarter".

Whenever I saw some p&d group member on a coin I'm immediately dumping my coins That's what you should do.
When I saw bob on topic I'm telling that the coin is fucked up.

Because of this they should be arrested, their dirty money gained through illegal actions.

[AltcoinInvestor]

Nope, they're clever enough to scam people.
The problem is "people is not getting smarter".

Whenever I saw some p&d group member on a coin I'm immediately dumping my coins That's what you should do.
When I saw bob on topic I'm telling that the coin is fucked up.

Because of this they should be arrested, their dirty money gained through illegal actions.

Which illegal actions? They're prebuying shitcoins, pumping shitcoins and then dumping them to loosers.
If you've scammed once why're you keep doing same thing? You want to be scammed more?

[rocoro]

I don't think they're really "scamming"  ..  its more of they don't believe in new, emerging technologies and investing.  

They're just out for the quick buck and to a degree they help some coins by giving them visibility with volume on the market.

Its sad, but somewhat of a necessary evil, in just my opinion.

[SpiryGolden]

Nope, they're clever enough to scam people.
The problem is "people is not getting smarter".

Whenever I saw some p&d group member on a coin I'm immediately dumping my coins That's what you should do.
When I saw bob on topic I'm telling that the coin is fucked up.

Because of this they should be arrested, their dirty money gained through illegal actions.

Another one dangerous https://twitter.com/_pr0m3theus_/

[olcaytu2005]

 They havent met Recep IVEDIK

[david1365]

Nope, they're clever enough to scam people.
The problem is "people is not getting smarter".

Whenever I saw some p&d group member on a coin I'm immediately dumping my coins That's what you should do.
When I saw bob on topic I'm telling that the coin is fucked up.

Because of this they should be arrested, their dirty money gained through illegal actions.

Which illegal actions? They're prebuying shitcoins, pumping shitcoins and then dumping them to loosers.
If you've scammed once why're you keep doing same thing? You want to be scammed more?

P&D is illegal action, people shouldn't be involved, their actions.
They must be stopped.

[david1365]

Nope, they're clever enough to scam people.
The problem is "people is not getting smarter".

Whenever I saw some p&d group member on a coin I'm immediately dumping my coins That's what you should do.
When I saw bob on topic I'm telling that the coin is fucked up.

Because of this they should be arrested, their dirty money gained through illegal actions.

Another one dangerous https://twitter.com/_pr0m3theus_/

Thanks, if you know an another SCAMMER, post here.

[Mineotaur]

Ban from where, this forum? That's not gonna stop them playing the exchanges. Even if they (by 'they' I mean any PnD team) were banned from exchanges, with projects like SuperNET being built exchanges will be decentralized and anonymous soon anyway.
They're an irritation that's for sure, lots of people are hurt by them and they don't give a shit as long as they profit, but that's the nature of capitalism, it's a vicious little shit but it's the best we have.
Personally, while I've lost money and I'd quite like to take out several lost BTC worth of frustration on them, I recognise the futility of being angry. I also have a certain appreciation for the rather 'wild west' nature of cryptocurrencies, as I think fewer restrictions will probably result in a more resilient, capable tech, eventually.
I'm not sure what to do about this stuff, but I know what I won't do; wind myself up unnecessarily about something over which nobody has any control.
To the PnD so and so's reading this thread...  play nice, eh?  It can't be nice to be so hated. Nobody will dislike you for daytrading, but you needn't completely annihilate a coin in the process.

I share your frustration, but this post isn't going to help anything, neither is this thread. We've just got to learn to adapt.

[MicroGuy]

Due diligence is a tried and true method of avoiding these types of losses. And in this market that means digging deep.

Sadly, many of the most brilliant and loyal developers aren't on the radar because they aren't chasing profits. If you want to invest for the long haul, do better research and you can avoid these situations in the future.

[david1365]

Due diligence is a tried and true method of avoiding these types of losses. And in this market that means digging deep.

Sadly, many of the most brilliant and loyal developers aren't on the radar because they aren't chasing profits. If you want to invest for the long haul, do better research and you can avoid these situations in the future.

Thanks for your reply.

[Shadow_Runner]

P&D is illegal action, people shouldn't be involved, their actions.

Why? Bitcoin price is also illegal action when someone bought it for 10$ and sold for 1000$?
Illegal when ppl took your money and run.
Market is market. If you don't like how market works then just leave it. Nobody guarantee you here 100% profit for you only lovely.

You can't say price manipulation is illegal. When ppl in thread saying MOON TO THE MOON, great coin, bla bla bla... what is this? They want higher price to make more profit. Are they scammers?
Are you scammer when dumping a lot coins if you need to buy something else? This is market. If there some group of people who knows how market and psychology works, they are just smart.
Not so smart people who won't monitor market/thread/opinions and buying any shit to make "more profit". Greedy dumb idiots are burning a lot BTC with this. Like some user bought coins for 8 BTC (!) and then blamed anyone for his loss. And if he potentially can dump this baghold, then this is more fair? To whom? To him? What about who bought this? Can he say he got scammed then?

People must learn something before try to play with their money. This is not profit generator for everybody. Someone wins someone loses. Money is not generating from air. So, before invest or do something else with crypto everyone need to know it. Otherwise don't blame someone for their smart brains.

[SpiryGolden]

P&D is illegal action, people shouldn't be involved, their actions.

Why? Bitcoin price is also illegal action when someone bought it for 10$ and sold for 1000$?
Illegal when ppl took your money and run.
Market is market. If you don't like how market works then just leave it. Nobody guarantee you here 100% profit for you only lovely.

You can't say price manipulation is illegal. When ppl in thread saying MOON TO THE MOON, great coin, bla bla bla... what is this? They want higher price to make more profit. Are they scammers?
Are you scammer when dumping a lot coins if you need to buy something else? This is market. If there some group of people who knows how market and psychology works, they are just smart.
Not so smart people who won't monitor market/thread/opinions and buying any shit to make "more profit". Greedy dumb idiots are burning a lot BTC with this. Like some user bought coins for 8 BTC (!) and then blamed anyone for his loss. And if he potentially can dump this baghold, then this is more fair? To whom? To him? What about who bought this? Can he say he got scammed then?

People must learn something before try to play with their money. This is not profit generator for everybody. Someone wins someone loses. Money is not generating from air. So, before invest or do something else with crypto everyone need to know it. Otherwise don't blame someone for their smart brains.

Yeah you are anyway part of them. Youre always in Ninja launches. And you are ok with instamines + P&D .
Chill I don't aggitate to much about you guys cause at some point this whales and even those who are so called "smart brains" will be caught at their game, cause it's like a Russian Rullete.

[david1365]

I say again, the market manipulation with P&D action is illegal because they decieve PPL.

Look at the other altcoin exchanges, why price manipultion only is on the bittrex exchange?! we shouldn't see up/down eveyday in altcoin markets.

P&D is illegal action, people shouldn't be involved, their actions.

Why? Bitcoin price is also illegal action when someone bought it for 10$ and sold for 1000$?
Illegal when ppl took your money and run.
Market is market. If you don't like how market works then just leave it. Nobody guarantee you here 100% profit for you only lovely.

You can't say price manipulation is illegal. When ppl in thread saying MOON TO THE MOON, great coin, bla bla bla... what is this? They want higher price to make more profit. Are they scammers?
Are you scammer when dumping a lot coins if you need to buy something else? This is market. If there some group of people who knows how market and psychology works, they are just smart.
Not so smart people who won't monitor market/thread/opinions and buying any shit to make "more profit". Greedy dumb idiots are burning a lot BTC with this. Like some user bought coins for 8 BTC (!) and then blamed anyone for his loss. And if he potentially can dump this baghold, then this is more fair? To whom? To him? What about who bought this? Can he say he got scammed then?

People must learn something before try to play with their money. This is not profit generator for everybody. Someone wins someone loses. Money is not generating from air. So, before invest or do something else with crypto everyone need to know it. Otherwise don't blame someone for their smart brains.

[benthach]

Altcoins world is so toxic, cuz F**kin P&D groups, just like Ryan pumper and BOB and the others.
These F**Kin SCAMMERS, steal your coins everyday, and get rich.
They should be arrested and go to jail to punishment.
If you agree with me please discuss about it and keep up this thread.

there is nothing we smart people can do or even the government can do, unless bitcointalk.org is shutting down.
the dumb and noob investors will always buy into their scams
bob and prom creating coins, they get cheap and free coins before any action then they pump by creating fake volume and fake buy walls.
when the coin getting popular with huge volume then they dumping and moving on to their next coins. they're creating new coins everyday, if one or a couple of their coins missed the mark then one would hit it.

new coin, new user name for the coin and stupid dumb moron noob investors don't give a crap and would also praise this new user as the best dev ever and they would trust this new username/dev with all their heart and btc

for ryan, he's just a mentally ill moron. only talk what is already happened and give credits to himself for it.

[CryptoJerk]

TELL US ABOUT YOUR BOTS MR.PUMPER

No it was actually a 53btc injection that pushed the price from 50 to 179

I don't care whatever you call it, accumulation or whatever. You fuckers have inside knowledge.

I am looking at the NKT chart now and I am seeing pre-buys where this group has been gathering coins. Loads of fucking pre buys since the 12th of jan, so "ryan" and his "group" obviously know something that they aren't telling us here.

It is insiders knowledge and "his group" obviously do know something that isn't being shared publicly. Thats the benefit of being in a private group i suppose

Yeah so here you are bragging to everyone because you guys cheat the system every week am I supposed to be impressed or something?

I hate to discuss "private" matters here but I have personally worked with ryan before and I know how he operates. This is why I brought up bots and the whole 9. He's heavily into that shit because when you have your own servers you can work bots in multiple coins at a time without having to physically be there

You can setup your bots, head out to the beach (or whatever the fuck this guy does) and come home to 50btc of profit easily without breaking a sweat. You can do this every fucking day if you want

I am not a trader, I develop coins and make my money that way.

After working with ryan once on a "small job" that we paid him good money for (40btc) I used his services again to help my team accumulate a % of a certain coin. This is how I know ryan is working bots all over this market because with this coin that we were dealing with, you couldn't place a single sell order without 5 small orders undercutting you. Professional manipulation

He forced sell resistance higher with sell orders totaling 20btc which jammed up the coin and caused people to dump on our buys. Granted, the whole thing was done very impressively and he has obviously put together a pretty decent machine, no complaints there. What pissed me off is the total lack of empathy this guy has

His asking price for this service was 70btc to which we all agreed upon, we even ponied up 15btc upfront. Now with the price of this coin shot to shit, and the job done. Ryan, out of the fucking blue, asks for the remaining 65btc..... but how the fuck could we pay him right away without the price of the coin lifting first? I explained this to him 50 times but he didn't budge because he didn't "trust" us WTF ryan?

He kept his sell walls on the coin and kept his bots running.... basically holding us to ransom until we paid this 65btc

Now I'm all for manipulation, the market cant function without it. But what I value more than anything else is ethical manipulation, you don't break the gentleman's code over some BS like this

sure, maybe we should have had our shit together before bringing ryan on board but sometimes, in business, you have to understand that you need to take risks to make MORE money!! ryan didn't want to take that risk with us and basically hung us out to dry

We ended up paying him 10btc per day last week before he decided to remove his "sell pressure"

im sure ass kissers and cronies are thinking "if you want a service you have to pay for it" and "nothings for free" blah blah.. well fuck you! In business, it's give and take. Ryan wanted to get paid first and that's understandable, but we didn't have the dough to pay him so he could have helped us out on that front and given us a little leeway

i'm not a ryan hater like the rest... hell, the guy teaches how the market is manipulated and how to profit from it, that's respectable..  i have made good money here and there. I am just disappointed with the way he has treated my team and feel like it was wrong and could have been handled differently

great trader, but hes a miser and him and his group only make money because they manipulate the fuck out of this market. Every day they fill up on some random coin (like NKT). Then, out of the blue, this random shitcoin is pumping like hell and they only people that profit is ryan and his group,, not my type of scene

hell manipulation is there for all to see so I will profit from this regardless

You could even call me a manipulator, who gives a shit. In this market you're either fucking someone in the ass or getting fucked yourself. I don't care how much money you make in the process, if you get into bed with ryan you're shaking hands with the devil himself. I would much rather slug it out in the market and make money on my own, all it's gonna take is some elbow grease but im not scared to work hard. Fuck taking the easy route, that's for pussies who don't care about the guy the other side of the trade

Ryan is working bots galore all over this fucking market there is no way in fucking hell you can "predict" all of this shit every fucking month like this GTFO

there is something you idiots are doing to "make things happen" so just come out and fucking say it

you tell me you are just going to "predict" 200 pumps naturally? OH FUCKING PLEASE this is NOT natural! no way is this "natural" either you guys have inside information or you are working with outside whales because wtf??

there is no way you can make this kind of volume just appear out of the freaking blue like this yet every time it does, you fuckers just happen to "know" about it MONTHS before the rest of us? Yeah maybe i can understand you seeing some shit popping off with all the talk on twitter and then scoring some money from a quick pump

but to do this every month is complete and total manipulation of the market it is NOT natural so tell us ALL about the bots you are using so that we can get on a level playing field

NO ONE in this place should have ANY advantage

You do realize you can buy an advanced trade / arbitrage bot for less than half a BTC and set it up yourself, right? It's a pretty level playing field if you don't expect anyone to do your work for you.

No you cannot

those things do not work worth a darn!

I'm a developer myself and I know what im doing so dont fucking come here and advise me

you need something heavy duty not some fucking quatloo trader GTFO

look how ryan was mocking us the other day by posting this, look what these guys are doing

On January 23rd, SPR fell into a quagmire of what seemed to be an endless pit of decline, and as a rule – the ‘majority’ of traders in this market believe that a decline in price is “irreversible,” which is interestingly what causes them to refer to coins like this as “dead,” whilst skilled traders refer to coins that are in this type of condition as “cheap” and therefore ripe for accumulation.

Starting on January 23rd, SPR declined from 69,960 Satoshi by 96% and settled at 2,507 Satoshi on March 12th.

do you think some fucking cat trader or quatloo trader can do that?

get real! that is more than a 90 PERCENT fall right there

these people are running riot in this place and no one is putting a leash on them

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

How about everyone stop failvesting in shitcoins? It's making us all look bad.

[kingscrown]

the biggest scammers are on twitter tho ie https://twitter.com/equalpumps
they are so fishy they are scared to even have accs outside twitter since they would get red flagged.