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May 30, 2011, 10:47:58 AM
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I saw that an eBook went up on Amazon a couple of days ago.
http://www.amazon.com/Bitcoin-Peer---Peer-Illustrated-ebook/dp/B00538IVFK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1306752261&sr=8-2


Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System [Illustrated] [Kindle Edition]
Satoshi Nakamoto (Author)

Do you think that Satoshi put this out there?  Or did someone take his original paper, and toss it on Amazon to try to profit from it?  (I didn't look at a copy of the $0.99 eBook.  Has anybody seen it?)
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May 30, 2011, 10:57:03 AM
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Just a guess: Smells like a scam.

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May 30, 2011, 11:06:09 AM
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It would be signed if it was authentic.  Maybe there is the signature somewhere - but I guess not and I think this should be reported to Amazon.
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May 30, 2011, 11:08:51 AM
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Someone converted Satoshi's paper to Kindle format and uploaded it to Amazon.

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May 30, 2011, 11:12:40 AM
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Someone converted Satoshi's paper to Kindle format and uploaded it to Amazon.
If that's the case it's probably a breach of copyright - there's nothing in the paper to indicate it has the same permissive license as bitcoin-the-software, and even without an explicit copyright symbol anything published is still protected by copyright - but if Satoshi were to try and enforce his rights it would mean "breaking cover". Maybe that's what the gaol is? Though I suspect it's just someone trying to make a barely-honest buck...

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May 30, 2011, 11:22:51 AM
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It would be signed if it was authentic.  Maybe there is the signature somewhere - but I guess not and I think this should be reported to Amazon.
It's a little difficult for somebody to report it to Amazon.
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May 30, 2011, 11:26:53 AM
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Probably a better option if this is a scam, is that if you have an Amazon account, sign in and review the book.  Give it a 1 (or a zero?) rating, and link people to the free online paper:  http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

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May 30, 2011, 11:36:21 AM
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Probably a better option if this is a scam, is that if you have an Amazon account, sign in and review the book.  Give it a 1 (or a zero?) rating, and link people to the free online paper:  http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf



There's also a link on there that says "tell us about a lower price".

You could tell them about the $0 version, however I have no problem with some random person making 99 cents if it means more people read the paper.


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May 30, 2011, 11:38:12 AM
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An electronic or physical signature of the person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright interest;

How is that going to work?
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May 30, 2011, 02:54:31 PM
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There's also a link on there that says "tell us about a lower price".

You could tell them about the $0 version, however I have no problem with some random person making 99 cents if it means more people read the paper.
Good point. 

There's something fundamentally wrong with a person selling someone else's work for a profit without permission.  I personally wouldn't do that.  But it's really up to the author to enforce this, if Satoshi wants to.  On the other hand, I have no proof that this isn't Satoshi that's put the eBook out there, or that he hasn't given permission.  So really I should mind my own business.
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May 30, 2011, 04:18:29 PM
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There's something fundamentally wrong with a person selling someone else's work for a profit without permission.  I personally wouldn't do that.  But it's really up to the author to enforce this, if Satoshi wants to.  On the other hand, I have no proof that this isn't Satoshi that's put the eBook out there, or that he hasn't given permission.  So really I should mind my own business.

There's nothing wrong with making a paper available to more people, even if people pay for it.

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May 30, 2011, 05:17:14 PM
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Satoshi can authorise Gavin or someone else he stays in contact with if he wants them to do the complaint thing. It doesnt mention having to prove where the authoriser is or who they are merely that they have to have authorised. Could be done via PGP signatures or something if the *do* ask for some kind of proof.

(Maybe tell them "on my way to meet with the CIA about bitcoin I noticed you were selling the book, can we maybe clear this up before the meeting?")

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May 30, 2011, 09:13:49 PM
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Isnt it a little ironic purchasing the bitcoin paper with FRN. Smiley

And hey, doesnt bitcoin compete with Amazon Payments?  Wink  whoever had the guts to upload this ebook to Amazon books is pretty clever if you ask me.


There's something fundamentally wrong with a person selling someone else's work for a profit without permission.  I personally wouldn't do that.  But it's really up to the author to enforce this, if Satoshi wants to.  On the other hand, I have no proof that this isn't Satoshi that's put the eBook out there, or that he hasn't given permission.  So really I should mind my own business.

There's nothing wrong with making a paper available to more people, even if people pay for it.

+1. This is a good thing.  We should celebrate.  Even better, we should upload the paper to iTunes and charge 50 cents just to under cut this Satoshi (impersonator, most likely).

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May 30, 2011, 09:19:07 PM
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Satoshi can authorise Gavin or someone else he stays in contact with if he wants them to do the complaint thing. It doesnt mention having to prove where the authoriser is or who they are merely that they have to have authorised. Could be done via PGP signatures or something if the *do* ask for some kind of proof.

This could be a very good story. Journalists would love it.
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