theymos is a government agent | do not use this forum it is honeypot

[TECSHARE]

1. Bitcointalk has a section dedicated to ponzis. That's about as involved as you can get. That's as involved as my Dollartalk forum, created for fiat currency discussion, having a sub called "Child Pornography."

2. In this very thread it was said that the ponzi section was created to "protect noobs," so there's that.

Nope. Your scenario would mean actual illegal images were hosted or displayed on the forum, which would remove the question of jurisdiction.  Furthermore child pornography is illegal in most of the world, not just the US. If there is a legitimate use for the section ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, then it is legal by default. If staff are notified of any activity that is criminal in any of the participating users jurisdictions, they do take efforts to stop or remove the offending posts, satisfying the requirement of due dilligence. Furthermore as it exists the ponzis are just discussed and coordinated on the forum without the direct assistance of BCT, the actual ponzis operate in the individual's home country, not on the BCT host. If BCT actually hosted the ponzis you might have a point, but your example fails when examined closely.

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[SaltySpitoon]

It has been hacked twice over the past year alone.


1. Bitcointalk has a section dedicated to ponzis. That's about as involved as you can get. That's as involved as my Dollartalk forum, created for fiat currency discussion, having a sub called "Child Pornography."

2. In this very thread it was said that the ponzi section was created to "protect noobs," so there's that.

This hack and the last was in October of 2013 to my knowledge. I think there was one other hack back in 2010ish, but I don't recall the details of that. That isn't really the point, my point was that hacks happen, Bitcointalk doesn't have that bad of a track record, even big companies have been hacked repeatedly. What would you like seen done? There is new forum software in production, which should help. This attack wasn't a forum vulnerability, it was an attack on the hosting company.

Discussion sections don't increase the forum's legal involvement. We do not collect any money from ponzi operators, we do not endorse any ponzis, we do not run a ponzi ourself, we warn users that they could be scams, we warn users to check their local jurisdictions before participating. Google ponzi schemes, and you will find names and information about active ponzi schemes. Google isn't responsible if you decide to put your money in them. Discuss this with a lawyer if you wish, you don't understand what constitutes involvement beyond what you are rationalizing. That isn't how the law defines it.

I'm not sure who said the ponzi section was created to protect noobs, as I said, people didn't want ponzis grouped together with other gambling, so a new section was added to reduce clutter.  Frankly, the ponzi section is one of the least controversial sections. As I said, Gambling online in general is illegal in the US.

[inBitweTrust]

We are starting to see hacked accounts from the leak appear and begin to troll these forums. Theymos needs to force a password reset on all unchanged passwords ASAP.

[JusticeForYou]

We are starting to see hacked accounts from the leak appear and begin to troll these forums. Theymos needs to force a password reset on all unchanged passwords ASAP.

Who is 'we'? And how do you know?

[Mt.Gox Support]

We are starting to see hacked accounts from the leak appear and begin to troll these forums. Theymos needs to force a password reset on all unchanged passwords ASAP.

What will that do? it'll only make it slightly easier for the hacker, he won't have to go through as many mouse clicks to reset a password after he logs in.

[FruitsBasket]

GTFO if you dont like the forum

[Xialla]

needs to force a password reset on all unchanged passwords ASAP.

this should be done on all accounts even before forum was started again earlier today. now really recommend to all closely check section where are account trades.

if theymos is some agent? honestly, I don't give a flying fuck. I'm enjoying this forum, usually thinking before post/PM and learned lot of stuff here..

[inBitweTrust]

We are starting to see hacked accounts from the leak appear and begin to troll these forums. Theymos needs to force a password reset on all unchanged passwords ASAP.

Who is 'we'? And how do you know?

We have been discussing this. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1068422.0

We are starting to find long inactive accounts come back online and troll this forum in a different voice than the original user.

This.
That.

It is impossible to know for sure which ones are and aren't as  some of these inactive users may be coming back because they are prompted to change their password by Theymos by the email that was sent and than they came back and posted a bit.

What will that do? it'll only make it slightly easier for the hacker, he won't have to go through as many mouse clicks to reset a password after he logs in.

No, Theymos needs to change all passwords and force users to reset passwords through the email account on file. The hacker will only be able to exploit accounts that have used the same passwords or security questions between bitcointalk and their email if this is done.

This has already been suggested to Theymos in Twitter 2 days ago ...
https://twitter.com/bitcointalk/status/602017247788343296

Why this isn't being done is shocking to say the least. Perhaps Theymos is trying to gather a bit of information about the hacker by delaying this security measure.... lets hope so.

[Xialla]

What will that do? it'll only make it slightly easier for the hacker, he won't have to go through as many mouse clicks to reset a password after he logs in.

mt. gox support just came to visit us after 3 years without single post? coincidence for sure!

[JusticeForYou]

We are starting to see hacked accounts from the leak appear and begin to troll these forums. Theymos needs to force a password reset on all unchanged passwords ASAP.

What will that do? it'll only make it slightly easier for the hacker, he won't have to go through as many mouse clicks to reset a password after he logs in.

Precisely, odds are the attacker will log on and go directly to change the passwords of compromised accounts. I however am more curious to see if my account gets hacked (doubtful) but it would interest me considering the strength of the hash.

[Mt.Gox Support]

We are starting to see hacked accounts from the leak appear and begin to troll these forums. Theymos needs to force a password reset on all unchanged passwords ASAP.

What will that do? it'll only make it slightly easier for the hacker, he won't have to go through as many mouse clicks to reset a password after he logs in.

Precisely, odds are the attacker will log on and go directly to change the passwords of compromised accounts. I however am more curious to see if my account gets hacked (doubtful) but it would interest me considering the strength of the hash.

You should change your password. I'm guessing a lot of people have the dump by now. Password crackers are really smart, almost any password a human can think of can be cracked within a few hours with under $10,000 worth of GPU's.

[JusticeForYou]

What will that do? it'll only make it slightly easier for the hacker, he won't have to go through as many mouse clicks to reset a password after he logs in.

mt. gox support just came to visit us after 3 years without single post? coincidence for sure!

Well he, like me, probably received an email from the forum about a hack. And logged on to see what is happening. Since, today is a holiday, I'm wasting time chilling out on the forum poking my nose into threads here and there...

[TECSHARE]

nonsense

The difference is the files themselves are contraband, making it a crime within the US for them to exist there. Discussing and coordinating ponzis within a country that it is legal IS NOT A CRIME, even if the server is hosted in the US. One simple question for you. If you really believe the forum is itself operating illegally, why hasn't it been shut down? Do you think no one has tried to report the forum before to authorities or regulatory agencies? You are very naive.

One more time, for reference: https://ilt.eff.org/index.php/Copyright:_Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act#DMCA.E2.80.99s_Safe_Harbors_for_Online_Service_Providers

^ mostly refers to civil liability

http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1838&context=btlj

^ Applies to criminal liability

[saddampbuh]

what are they going to get apart from your email address?

[JusticeForYou]

We are starting to see hacked accounts from the leak appear and begin to troll these forums. Theymos needs to force a password reset on all unchanged passwords ASAP.

What will that do? it'll only make it slightly easier for the hacker, he won't have to go through as many mouse clicks to reset a password after he logs in.

Precisely, odds are the attacker will log on and go directly to change the passwords of compromised accounts. I however am more curious to see if my account gets hacked (doubtful) but it would interest me considering the strength of the hash.

You should change your password. I'm guessing a lot of people have the dump by now. Password crackers are really smart, almost any password a human can think of can be cracked within a few hours with under $10,000 worth of GPU's.

So you have bought $10,000 worth of GPU to dedicate to cracking my pw hash (which is very long and hard) to gain access to my bitcointalk.org account which is the only place that hash is used?  We need to talk about risk rewards. Time would be better spent mining with those GPU's.

[cinnamon_carter]

where is the info in the blockchain so i can look at it,

[JusticeForYou]

where is the info in the blockchain so i can look at it,

Never looked for that one, but the Strings command can find it for you. Actually the Strings command can find a lot of weird, funny, and whimsical stuff in the block chain.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

I am disappointed in theymos. I have stepped away from the forum, but I believe it is time to find a more competent administrator.

satoshi

[inBitweTrust]

I am disappointed in theymos. I have stepped away from the forum, but I believe it is time to find a more competent administrator.

satoshi

Yes, see what is happening? Satoshi's password obviously wasn't changed when his email was compromised or it was changed and not given enough entropy.

All passwords should immediately be changed by Theymos to 128bit or higher entropy and all users should be forced to reset through their email on file.

WTF ... looks like a blend of Satoshi's account and Tradefortesses old account ... check out his trust -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=67058

Real Satoshi - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3
Fake Satoshi - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058

[Retard]

I am disappointed in theymos. I have stepped away from the forum, but I believe it is time to find a more competent administrator.

satoshi

I like ur name.