MATTHEW N. WRIGHT IS A SCAMMER

[cbeast]

This was a stupid bet idea to begin with. I don't know who the 100+ people were that took the bet, but I'd find it hard to believe that all 100+ would have paid if he had won. The fact that he made the bet just shows that Matthew is very immature. I don't hold immaturity against a young person, it's expected. That's why I'm now (after 7 months?) in support of his fledgling magazine. The level of maturity on this board with people making claims against him makes me chuckle "pot, kettle, black."

[evolve]

Theymos,

Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one.  Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets?   If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer.    A little clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks.

 

 it was one of the conditions of his bet:

Anyone (including myself) who renigs on their bets will be labeled a scammer on the forums. Theymos will retain the IP addresses of everyone who has committed here and as you are marked a scammer for not paying, you will also be reported to the bitcoin police and tracked

[BCB]

Ok,

So he was labeled a scammer not because he didn't pay his, but because he asked to be labeled a scammer.

So if someone makes a bet, then doesn't pay, but DOES NOT ask to be labeled a scammer, will that person also get a scammer tag?

It is a question that has not been answered in spite of all the responses inciting FUD.

 

[Fluttershy]

Theymos,

Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one.  Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets?   If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer.    A little clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks.

 

 it was one of the conditions of his bet:

Anyone (including myself) who renigs on their bets will be labeled a scammer on the forums. Theymos will retain the IP addresses of everyone who has committed here and as you are marked a scammer for not paying, you will also be reported to the bitcoin police and tracked

So he's getting reported to the bitcoin police then?

[BadBear]

Ok,

So he was labeled a scammer not because he didn't pay his, but because he asked to be labeled a scammer.

So if someone makes a bet, then doesn't pay, but DOES NOT ask to be labeled a scammer, will that person also get a scammer tag?

It is a question that has not been answered in spite of all the responses inciting FUD.

 

You're not gonna get answers based on hypothetical situations with no information provided, sorry.

[BCB]

Ok,

So he was labeled a scammer not because he didn't pay his, but because he asked to be labeled a scammer.

So if someone makes a bet, then doesn't pay, but DOES NOT ask to be labeled a scammer, will that person also get a scammer tag?

It is a question that has not been answered in spite of all the responses inciting FUD.

 

You're not gonna get answers based on hypothetical situations with no information provided, sorry.

Thanks BadBear

So the scammer tag is speculative, not clearly defined and assigned on a case by case basis.

Thanks.

[evolve]

Theymos,

Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one.  Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets?   If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer.    A little clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks.

 

 it was one of the conditions of his bet:

Anyone (including myself) who renigs on their bets will be labeled a scammer on the forums. Theymos will retain the IP addresses of everyone who has committed here and as you are marked a scammer for not paying, you will also be reported to the bitcoin police and tracked

So he's getting reported to the bitcoin police then?

Probably.

 I think that means he is going to bitcoin jail...which is just like real jail, except its filled with pasty, white, libertarian nerds slapfighting over pictures of Ayn Rand.

[BadBear]

Ok,

So he was labeled a scammer not because he didn't pay his, but because he asked to be labeled a scammer.

So if someone makes a bet, then doesn't pay, but DOES NOT ask to be labeled a scammer, will that person also get a scammer tag?

It is a question that has not been answered in spite of all the responses inciting FUD.

 

You're not gonna get answers based on hypothetical situations with no information provided, sorry.

Thanks BadBear

So the scammer tag is speculative, not clearly defined and assigned on a case by case basis.

Thanks.

I'm not in charge of scammer tags, I'm just saying making up hypothetical situations and expecting a serious answer is kinda dumb.

[DarkEmi]

How can it be argued that taking almost 1 million $ in bets without any initial intention to pay in case of a loss is not scamming ?

Sorry but all those people, matthew, amir, patrick, donald, pirate etc. are giving an awful image of bitcoin and the facts that these behavior are semi tolerated is awful as well.

Bitcoin needs one things it is trust and some form of regulation.

[BCB]

Ok,

So he was labeled a scammer not because he didn't pay his, but because he asked to be labeled a scammer.

So if someone makes a bet, then doesn't pay, but DOES NOT ask to be labeled a scammer, will that person also get a scammer tag?

It is a question that has not been answered in spite of all the responses inciting FUD.

 

You're not gonna get answers based on hypothetical situations with no information provided, sorry.

Thanks BadBear

So the scammer tag is speculative, not clearly defined and assigned on a case by case basis.

Thanks.

I'm not in charge of scammer tags, I'm just saying making up hypothetical situations and expecting a serious answer is kinda dumb.

I'm simply asking for bitcointalk.org's definition of a scammer.  It's a legitimate question.  If that doesn't exist that's fine.  Maybe we should wait for Theymos to weight in, if he chooses to do so.

Thx.

[BCB]

How can it be argued that taking almost 1 million $ in bets without any initial intention to pay in case of a loss is not scamming ?

Sorry but all those people, matthew, amir, patrick, donald, pirate etc. are giving an awful image of bitcoin and the facts that these behavior are semi tolerated is awful as well.

Bitcoin needs one things it is trust and some form of regulation.

Good point DarkEmi

Do those users you mention have scammer tags?  I guess they didn't ask for one. 

[DarkEmi]

scam (plural scams)
Fraudulent deal.
That marketing scheme looks like a scam to me.

fraudulent (comparative more fraudulent, superlative most fraudulent)
dishonest; based on fraud or deception
false; phony
He tried to pass a fraudulent check.

Can anyone here argue that matthew did not try to be deceptive ? (and thats the best possible case)

[CoinCidental]

How can it be argued that taking almost 1 million $ in bets without any initial intention to pay in case of a loss is not scamming ?

Sorry but all those people, matthew, amir, patrick, donald, pirate etc. are giving an awful image of bitcoin and the facts that these behavior are semi tolerated is awful as well.

Bitcoin needs one things it is trust and some form of regulation.

Bitcoin has a savings + trust  program already ,but hes not taking deposits at the moment
there are already enough investors onboard at the moment .........

[DarkEmi]

nice one

[theymos]

So the scammer tag is speculative, not clearly defined and assigned on a case by case basis.

Right.

[BCB]

So the scammer tag is speculative, not clearly defined and assigned on a case by case basis.

Right.

Thank you.

[AndrewBUD]

How can it be argued that taking almost 1 million $ in bets without any initial intention to pay in case of a loss is not scamming ?

Sorry but all those people, matthew, amir, patrick, donald, pirate etc. are giving an awful image of bitcoin and the facts that these behavior are semi tolerated is awful as well.

Bitcoin needs one things it is trust and some form of regulation.

He didn't take anyone's money... He took bets on your word..

[adamstgBit]

MWN is not a scammer he's the bitcoin troll of the year.

[finkleshnorts]

I'm not in charge of scammer tags, I'm just saying making up hypothetical situations and expecting a serious answer is kinda dumb.

I'm simply asking for bitcointalk.org's definition of a scammer.  It's a legitimate question.  If that doesn't exist that's fine.  Maybe we should wait for Theymos to weight in, if he chooses to do so.

Thx.

Matthew didn't take any money, but I believe others have received scammer tags preemptively. so SCAMMER sometimes means ALMOST SCAMMER.

One problem with the bet scenario is that nobody would have really known what to do were Matthew to win the bet. Matthew wouldn't have gotten the scammer tag, but he would have been just as guilty.

[AndrewBUD]

I'm not in charge of scammer tags, I'm just saying making up hypothetical situations and expecting a serious answer is kinda dumb.

I'm simply asking for bitcointalk.org's definition of a scammer.  It's a legitimate question.  If that doesn't exist that's fine.  Maybe we should wait for Theymos to weight in, if he chooses to do so.

Thx.

Matthew didn't take any money, but I believe others have received scammer tags preemptively. so SCAMMER sometimes means ALMOST SCAMMER.

One problem with the bet scenario is that nobody would have really known what to do were Matthew to win the bet. Matthew wouldn't have gotten the scammer tag, but he would have been just as guilty.

I agree with this... People are going overboard... I sorta knew it was a joke from the start.....