Bitcoin Core or XT? POLL

[ArticMine]

Silly XT altcoiners

No XT is the way to save Bitcoin, and yes there are alt-coin solutions to this problem.

[induktor]

IMHO leave core developer team is wrong.

create a forced fork, is just crazy, if you want to create a fork, must be with FULL DEV consensus, or not do it at all!

this could destroy BITCOIN Trust, not to mention the price.

people easy, out of fear, could start selling what they have in BTC (I know a lot of friends that will do that as soon as they realize that there is only a "slightly"chance, that bitcoin forks)
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if both chains survive because they haven't reached consensus and doble spending becames possible, this will again, destroy the price of the coin, and the trust.

So, I voted Core, I like XT, I agree that bigger block size will be essential in the near future, but they MUST do it together, is the only way to maintain the trust on the coin.

just my point of view.

[EternalWingsofGod]

I didn't know we were having a name change
That said since it could be related to a fork it makes sense to name it differently so people are more aware
My vote goes to XT for the third gen and back to our trend of two letter names
QT - > Core -> XT

I'll probally have to look at it later though to get more info on it seems like there is some issues here that I need a better background of.
http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-threatens-to-quit-bitcoin-development-and-join-hearns-fork/

[syuhide]

Time to exercise your voting rights people

Cast your votes - ( Result to be announced after voting ends )

If your opinion changes, you can change your vote too

I voted for XT its handy and trustworthy..
bitcoin core is easily explained on the other hand XT seems much technical and robust.

[Amph]

not sure i have understood
I voted for bitcoin core
I have bitcoin core
I do absolutly not know XT

it's the same client with two added features and a different name, nothing to worry about

[Lauda]

OP hopefully you realize that the poll will produce very inaccurate results?
The best solution isn't Core nor XT. Some updates from the XT should be re-done and then correctly implemented into Core.

[EternalWingsofGod]

OP hopefully you realize that the poll will produce very inaccurate results?
The best solution isn't Core nor XT. Some updates from the XT should be re-done and then correctly implemented into Core.

So the real poll option should be for XT to be implemented into Core instead of one over the other
Sounds like a good option fuze them together
My question then becomes why isn't that possible presently?

[Lauda]

So the real poll option should be for XT to be implemented into Core instead of one over the other
Sounds like a good option fuze them together
My question then becomes why isn't that possible presently?

Because, according to some, the changes that Gavin made were applied in XT and some are hurtful to the security of Bitcoin.
I'm not sure exactly which those are, although this is possible.
This is what I said that some of them should be re-done (disregarded if needed) and then correctly and safely implemented into the Core. There is no need to split up.

[EternalWingsofGod]

So the real poll option should be for XT to be implemented into Core instead of one over the other
Sounds like a good option fuze them together
My question then becomes why isn't that possible presently?

Because, according to some, the changes that Gavin made were applied in XT and some are hurtful to the security of Bitcoin.
I'm not sure exactly which those are, although this is possible.
This is what I said that some of them should be re-done (disregarded if needed) and then correctly and safely implemented into the Core. There is no need to split up.

Based on that definition it sounds like XT is an experimentation or Beta and Core would be the Alpha any ideas that would be disregarded because of risks could safely be tested in the XT ecosystem and given the time to develop in a bit of a shell, then when the changes are determined to be safe and non detrimental to Bitcoin it would move to the main client and core.

In that case perhaps the two system idea isn't so bad as it would be a way to avoid lengthy debates about installing new code into that core client that could still be risky while allowing code trials to be experimented on in a relatively secure environment I presume that is what you meant by potentially detrimental to Bitcoin security, so perhaps having both is the best answer or did I fuzz it up somewhere.

[GTO911]

OP hopefully you realize that the poll will produce very inaccurate results?
The best solution isn't Core nor XT. Some updates from the XT should be re-done and then correctly implemented into Core.

That means you want to stick with core. In that case you should vote for core

[Eastwind]

Let the XT develop and if it is successful, adopt it in core.

[unamis76]

Obviously voting XT, as they are the ones interested in forking for bigger blocks. Will change my vote to Core if they announce bigger blocks too.

[redsn0w]

not sure i have understood
I voted for bitcoin core
I have bitcoin core
I do absolutly not know XT

it's the same client with two added features and a different name, nothing to worry about

Not exactly, also two (temporary) chains and a possible problem of the 'double spend' 'the coins' from the two chains.

[Netnox]

So is XT going to be a separate Crypto and will its price start at 0 or how should we see it? I guess there will be BTC/XT parity?

[alani123]

I can't really say that I support either side. Gavin's idea sounds interesting but on the other hand, I'm not yet confident about it since many other core devs are still hesitant. In my humble opinion, Gavin should be extremely cautious with his actions and take advice from the core dev team more seriously than the crazy mob mentality that haunts our community from time to time.

[redsn0w]

So is XT going to be a separate Crypto and will its price start at 0 or how should we see it? I guess there will be BTC/XT parity?

No 'Bitcoin XT is a patch set on top of Bitcoin Core, with a focus on upgrades to the peer to peer protocol. By running it you can opt in to providing the Bitcoin network with additional services beyond what Bitcoin Core nodes provide. Currently it contains two additional features..'

https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt



but if someone after the fork will continue to use the actual bitcoin core client he will stay in this chain. So the XT chain ( Chain-B) will continue to generate blocks parallel to the core chain (Chain-A).

[BitcoiNaked]

So is XT going to be a separate Crypto and will its price start at 0 or how should we see it? I guess there will be BTC/XT parity?

No 'Bitcoin XT is a patch set on top of Bitcoin Core, with a focus on upgrades to the peer to peer protocol. By running it you can opt in to providing the Bitcoin network with additional services beyond what Bitcoin Core nodes provide. Currently it contains two additional features..'

https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt



but if someone after the fork will continue to use the actual bitcoin core client he will stay in this chain. So the XT chain ( Chain-B) will continue to generate blocks parallel to the core chain (Chain-A).

What if exchanges list xtcoin and bitcoin parity? then xtcoin would be a separate crypto, in case people would use both chains. And you are assuming people would move over to xt, this would mean the current bitcoin would be finished if there would be a trading parity between the two?

[redsn0w]

So is XT going to be a separate Crypto and will its price start at 0 or how should we see it? I guess there will be BTC/XT parity?

No 'Bitcoin XT is a patch set on top of Bitcoin Core, with a focus on upgrades to the peer to peer protocol. By running it you can opt in to providing the Bitcoin network with additional services beyond what Bitcoin Core nodes provide. Currently it contains two additional features..'

https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt



but if someone after the fork will continue to use the actual bitcoin core client he will stay in this chain. So the XT chain ( Chain-B) will continue to generate blocks parallel to the core chain (Chain-A).

What if exchanges list xtcoin and bitcoin parity? then xtcoin would be a separate crypto, in case people would use both chains. And you are assuming people would move over to xt, this would mean the current bitcoin would be finished if there would be a trading parity between the two?

An exchange will should only agree to update or not update his bitcoin client, if it will not update the wallet ... then it will stay in the actual chain (1MB block size limit). An exchange will not list another coin, because this is the same coin ...why would someone list bitcoinXT when it is BTC only with 20MB limite block size and other feature?

[Lauda]

Based on that definition it sounds like XT is an experimentation or Beta and Core would be the Alpha any ideas that would be disregarded because of risks could safely be tested in the XT ecosystem and given the time to develop in a bit of a shell, then when the changes are determined to be safe and non detrimental to Bitcoin it would move to the main client and core.

In that case perhaps the two system idea isn't so bad as it would be a way to avoid lengthy debates about installing new code into that core client that could still be risky while allowing code trials to be experimented on in a relatively secure environment I presume that is what you meant by potentially detrimental to Bitcoin security, so perhaps having both is the best answer or did I fuzz it up somewhere.

I wish it was. According to some XT has implemented some patches that were denied on the Core due to security reasons. The problem is that influence and power plays a great role in all of this. Only a few % of people will actually realize the flaws even after someone makes a fine thread about it here.

That means you want to stick with core. In that case you should vote for core

To a degree yes. The situation now is terrible.
If Gregory Maxwell leaves I'll have to re-evaluate my position.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/crqbd78

What if exchanges list xtcoin and bitcoin parity? then xtcoin would be a separate crypto, in case people would use both chains. And you are assuming people would move over to xt, this would mean the current bitcoin would be finished if there would be a trading parity between the two?

Stop this way of thinking. The world is not that ideal, it is actually grim and corrupt. The chances of everything dying are exponentially higher than the chances of both chains surviving.
There is no way for parallel block generation unless both chains have the same hashpower. Again, mathematically the chances aren't in favor of this.

[boopy265420]

At the moment they should let the Bitcoin Core as it is and before any change and up gradation in Bitcoin like XT they need to create awareness and advantages and disadvantages and complications should be discussed and foreseen.This increase of block size may harm Bitcoin in long term.Let the powerful players, who really will decide the fate of next tech, do what they think is more good and suitable.