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June 11, 2015, 06:55:35 PM
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In defense of those currently failing in Iraq. No one has a plan to defeat DAESH. Some say the "Peshmerga will do it!" Unfortunately they are in no way equipped to win. There is a lot of wishful thinking about their abilities, but in reality they ONLY use a simple rolling attack that can be defended against.
Only Iran is willing and in a position to fight them hard. Of course this is to expand the areas under their control and foment a sectarian fight that will surely split the country. And the western coalition only want's to train some other persons kids to fight. Who that will be is completely unknown. We need to wake up now. The real war is coming. 

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June 11, 2015, 09:32:02 PM
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In defense of those currently failing in Iraq. No one has a plan to defeat DAESH. Some say the "Peshmerga will do it!" Unfortunately they are in no way equipped to win. There is a lot of wishful thinking about their abilities, but in reality they ONLY use a simple rolling attack that can be defended against.
Only Iran is willing and in a position to fight them hard. Of course this is to expand the areas under their control and foment a sectarian fight that will surely split the country. And the western coalition only want's to train some other persons kids to fight. Who that will be is completely unknown. We need to wake up now. The real war is coming. 

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June 12, 2015, 05:33:39 AM
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In defense of those currently failing in Iraq. No one has a plan to defeat DAESH. Some say the "Peshmerga will do it!" Unfortunately they are in no way equipped to win.

Trust me. The Peshmerga is the only fighting force in Iraq right now, which is having the capability to defeat the ISIS. Neither the Iraqi army, nor the Shiite militias can take on the ISIS. If the Americans and the other NATO members are willing to provide the Peshmerga with heavy weapons, then the ISIS can be defeated in a matter of months.

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June 14, 2015, 11:43:53 PM
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Jun. 13, 2015 | 08:23 PM

Maliki blames 'conspiracies' for Iraq losses

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BAGHDAD: Iraq's former premier and current vice president, Nouri al-Maliki, blamed "conspiracies" Saturday for the loss of major cities to jihadis and said Baghdad should prioritize paramilitaries over the army to fight them.

But Maliki, who was prime minister when ISIS began a brutally effective offensive last year, failed to mention the role he and his government played in the debacle.

"Mosul would not have fallen except for a conspiracy, and Ramadi would not have fallen except for a conspiracy," he said in televised remarks, referring to two major cities lost to ISIS.

He blamed politicians who opposed him and said a plot to weaken the army was hatched in a neighboring country, but did not name names.

And he even said that denying the existence of a conspiracy amounts to one: "It is a conspiracy to say that there is not a conspiracy."

Maliki, a Shiite, pursued policies while premier that angered and isolated Iraq's Sunni Arabs, who make up the backbone of ISIS' support, making it easier for the group to operate and expand. .... more

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Jun-13/301993-maliki-blames-conspiracies-for-iraq-losses.ashx

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June 15, 2015, 02:17:11 AM
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Iraq's former premier and current vice president, Nouri al-Maliki, blamed "conspiracies" Saturday for the loss of major cities to jihadis and said Baghdad should prioritize paramilitaries over the army to fight them.

This guy, Nouri al-Maliki is completely shameless. When he was in power, he pursued a radical pro-Shiite and anti-Sunni policy, which alienated most of the Sunni Arabs in provinces such as Anbar and Diyala. This in turn led to the creation of the ISIS. And now he is giving lectures on conspiracy theories hatched in the neighboring countries.

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June 15, 2015, 03:27:22 AM
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Iraq's former premier and current vice president, Nouri al-Maliki, blamed "conspiracies" Saturday for the loss of major cities to jihadis and said Baghdad should prioritize paramilitaries over the army to fight them.

This guy, Nouri al-Maliki is completely shameless. When he was in power, he pursued a radical pro-Shiite and anti-Sunni policy, which alienated most of the Sunni Arabs in provinces such as Anbar and Diyala. This in turn led to the creation of the ISIS. And now he is giving lectures on conspiracy theories hatched in the neighboring countries.

Yeah well, you would expect the vassals of totally certifiable fruitcakes like Bush, Cheney and Blair to be about the same calibre as the masters. Now, fast forward to Ukraine, pretty much the same neocon nutcases worked that as did Iraq for Bush. I think you see the pattern. A shitpile does attract shitflies.


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June 18, 2015, 10:40:37 AM
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Iraq hesitant to let U.S. "trainers" continue rendering its military totally useless


WASHINGTON:  The US Secretary of Defense called out Baghdad Wednesday to send more recruits to American-run training camps, as Iraq struggles to battle the Islamic State group with a weakened military.

Plans to train some 24,000 Iraqi security forces by the fall are falling short, as only enough trainees for 7,000 troops and 2,000 "anti-terrorist forces" have enrolled for training, Defense chief Ashton Carter said while speaking before the House Armed Services Committee.

"As I've told Iraqi leaders, while the United States is open to supporting Iraq more than we already are, we must see a greater commitment from all parts of the Iraqi government," Carter said.....

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/iraq-not-sending-enough-forces-for-training-pentagon-chief-ashton-carter-772713

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June 18, 2015, 10:59:40 AM
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Yes, this whole situation is blowing up in the faces of these neocons that run the foreign policy of the US. Either that or it was figured that the Iraqi army would fold eventually and this stuff would end up in bad hands which would restart another conflict all over again.

Well, since everything those neocons have meddled with since like forever has turned into horse manure and they were STILL being used to screw up Ukraine it´s obvious that they´re viewed about as favorably by both parts of the one-party system. Look up the Cohen Personal Fiefdom in the State Dept. (Victoria Nuland Cohen). She worked for Dick Cheney and did so well helping scam the Iraq war going that Barry Banana thought she was just the ticket for messing up Ukraine.

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June 18, 2015, 11:45:34 AM
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Plans to train some 24,000 Iraqi security forces by the fall are falling short, as only enough trainees for 7,000 troops and 2,000 "anti-terrorist forces" have enrolled for training, Defense chief Ashton Carter said while speaking before the House Armed Services Committee.

Being an Iraqi soldier is one of the deadliest jobs in the world right now. So, I will not blame the young Iraqis, who are reluctant to defend their country from the ISIS. In the past, the ISIS have deliberately targeted the members of the security forces (including policemen) and have committed barbarous atrocities against them and their families.

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June 18, 2015, 12:26:43 PM
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Plans to train some 24,000 Iraqi security forces by the fall are falling short, as only enough trainees for 7,000 troops and 2,000 "anti-terrorist forces" have enrolled for training, Defense chief Ashton Carter said while speaking before the House Armed Services Committee.

Being an Iraqi soldier is one of the deadliest jobs in the world right now. So, I will not blame the young Iraqis, who are reluctant to defend their country from the ISIS. In the past, the ISIS have deliberately targeted the members of the security forces (including policemen) and have committed barbarous atrocities against them and their families.

Who the hell is named Ashton, BTW? Is it even a proper name? It´s almost as bad as being named Wimpy I guess. Sounds like something for a horse or a dog or maybe an English deviant. Speaking of deviants this Ass guy is a Rhodes scholar and trained by British fruitcakes just like Billy Bob Clinton which probably explains why Obammy picked this latest in a row of non-entities to head the Pentagon.

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June 18, 2015, 02:14:16 PM
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In defense of those currently failing in Iraq. No one has a plan to defeat DAESH. Some say the "Peshmerga will do it!" Unfortunately they are in no way equipped to win.

Trust me. The Peshmerga is the only fighting force in Iraq right now, which is having the capability to defeat the ISIS. Neither the Iraqi army, nor the Shiite militias can take on the ISIS. If the Americans and the other NATO members are willing to provide the Peshmerga with heavy weapons, then the ISIS can be defeated in a matter of months.

I don't think the peshmerga have a chance at defeating DAESH. They have won individual battles in Kurdistan, but there are not enough of them to fight in Iraq or Syria. And the YPG has been very clear that they are not fighting outside of Kurdistan. Many forget about the country of Kurdistan because it is not on many maps. But for the Kurds it is on all maps of the region.

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June 18, 2015, 02:34:10 PM
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I don't think the peshmerga have a chance at defeating DAESH. They have won individual battles in Kurdistan, but there are not enough of them to fight in Iraq or Syria. And the YPG has been very clear that they are not fighting outside of Kurdistan.

YPG is one of the numerous Peshmerga factions. There are other larger factions, which are ready to fight the ISIS in its core heartlands. And cities such as Mosul historically belonged to the Kurdistan, although the current population is mostly composed of Sunni Arabs. The Kurds will be ready to liberate Mosul from the ISIS, and if they can do that, it will be a devastating blow for the ISIS.

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June 18, 2015, 03:19:03 PM
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I don't think the peshmerga have a chance at defeating DAESH. They have won individual battles in Kurdistan, but there are not enough of them to fight in Iraq or Syria. And the YPG has been very clear that they are not fighting outside of Kurdistan.

YPG is one of the numerous Peshmerga factions. There are other larger factions, which are ready to fight the ISIS in its core heartlands. And cities such as Mosul historically belonged to the Kurdistan, although the current population is mostly composed of Sunni Arabs. The Kurds will be ready to liberate Mosul from the ISIS, and if they can do that, it will be a devastating blow for the ISIS.
I agree. Mosul will be a key fight for peshmerga troops. My concern is Baghdad, Anbar, and the south east. The Kurd political leadership keep saying that they are securing the Kurd homeland and are not  going to fight in Iraq. Perhaps that will change if we offer money, state level weapons and most importantly recognition of Kurdistan. We might as well. If we went to visit north Iraq we would see only the flags of Kurdistan, we would use Kurd money not Iraqi money, and all the maps would say Kurdistan. Only people outside of the area pretend it is still Iraq.

My other concern is the effectiveness of peshmerga fighters. Frankly, they are not very good. Their victories have been exaggerated, IMO. When I looked into their battlefield tactics their mystique diminished greatly. They use a "rolling attack" almost 100% of the time. That technique must have shocked DASEH, who are used to the enemy running away in disarray. But it is a technique that can be resisted effectively if you know its coming. So repeating the recent victories will get harder and, once the enemy has learned, will no longer work.

A rolling attack requires brave fighters and momentum. Basically they keep moving forward at all costs. It is terrifying to see such an attack coming at you, but if you keep your cool and halt the attack it tends to fall apart. At that point you sally from your positions and slaughter the attackers as they try to escape. I think the peshmerga are vulnerable to such a counterattack.  Once the attack starts they don't communicate much. If their line collapses anywhere then it's chaos.

It looks to me increasingly like only Iran is in a position to really hurt DAESH. They have enough fighters, anti armor weapons, and organization on the ground. Of course for them this is about furthering the influence of Shia Islam. What a mess.

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June 18, 2015, 03:30:40 PM
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It looks to me increasingly like only Iran is in a position to really hurt DAESH. They have enough fighters, anti armor weapons, and organization on the ground. Of course for them this is about furthering the influence of Shia Islam. What a mess.

I favor a grand Iranian-Peshmerga coalition against the ISIS. The Americans can chip in, by conducting air strikes against the ISIS targets (not like the ineffective token strikes which they are doing right now), and the Russians can provide weapons support and trainers to the Iranians. Add in the other smaller minorities, such as the Assyrians and Turkmen, and we'll be having a very effective fighting force.

A rolling attack requires brave fighters and momentum. Basically they keep moving forward at all costs. It is terrifying to see such an attack coming at you, but if you keep your cool and halt the attack it tends to fall apart. At that point you sally from your positions and slaughter the attackers as they try to escape. I think the peshmerga are vulnerable to such a counterattack.  Once the attack starts they don't communicate much. If their line collapses anywhere then it's chaos.

The Peshmerga fighters (both male and female) are really brave, and they are ready to give up their lives fighting against the ISIS. Also, they are numerically superior to the ISIS, with some 200,000 fighters available from the Iraqi Kurdish factions alone. This numerically superiority will allow them to conduct a large number of rolling attacks.

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November 14, 2015, 03:23:40 AM
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The U.S. Government Supplied ISIS’ Iconic Pickup Trucks

Posted on October 12, 2015 by WashingtonsBlog

U.S. counter-terror officials have launched an investigation into how ISIS got so many of those identical Toyota pickup trucks which they use in their convoys.

They don’t have to look very far …

The Spectator reported last year:

The [Toyota] Hilux [pics] is light, fast, manoeuvrable and all but indestructible (‘bomb-proof’ might not, in this instance, be a happy usage).  The weapons experts Jane’s claimed for the Hilux a similar significance to the longbows of Agincourt or the Huey choppers of Nam. A US Army Ranger said the Toyota sure ‘kicks the hell out of a Humvee’ (referring to the clumsy and over-sized High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle made by AM General).

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The fact is the Toyotas were supplied by the US government to the Al Nusra Front as ‘non-lethal aid’ then ‘acquired’ by ISIS.

Al Nusra Front is literally Al Qaeda.

Public Radio International – an American public radio outlet – also documented a specific shipment of Toyotas by the U.S. State Department in 2014:

Recently, when the US State Department resumed sending non-lethal aid to Syrian rebels, the delivery list included 43 Toyota trucks.

Hiluxes were on the Free Syrian Army’s wish list. Oubai Shahbander, a Washington-based advisor to the Syrian National Coalition, is a fan of the truck.

“Specific equipment like the Toyota Hiluxes are what we refer to as force enablers for the moderate opposition forces on the ground,” he adds. Shahbander says the US-supplied pickups will be delivering troops and supplies into battle. Some of the fleet will even become battlefield weapons.

That’s exactly what happened …

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/10/the-u-s-government-supplied-isis-iconic-pickup-trucks.html

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November 16, 2015, 03:17:52 PM
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Bump I guess. It´s always good to start threads early and gather info. When the shit

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hits the fan later it´s good to read it through.

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November 16, 2015, 04:48:03 PM
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The U.S. Government Supplied ISIS’ Iconic Pickup Trucks

Posted on October 12, 2015 by WashingtonsBlog

U.S. counter-terror officials have launched an investigation into how ISIS got so many of those identical Toyota pickup trucks which they use in their convoys.

They don’t have to look very far …

The Spectator reported last year:

The [Toyota] Hilux [pics] is light, fast, manoeuvrable and all but indestructible (‘bomb-proof’ might not, in this instance, be a happy usage).  The weapons experts Jane’s claimed for the Hilux a similar significance to the longbows of Agincourt or the Huey choppers of Nam. A US Army Ranger said the Toyota sure ‘kicks the hell out of a Humvee’ (referring to the clumsy and over-sized High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle made by AM General).

***

The fact is the Toyotas were supplied by the US government to the Al Nusra Front as ‘non-lethal aid’ then ‘acquired’ by ISIS.

Al Nusra Front is literally Al Qaeda.

Public Radio International – an American public radio outlet – also documented a specific shipment of Toyotas by the U.S. State Department in 2014:

Recently, when the US State Department resumed sending non-lethal aid to Syrian rebels, the delivery list included 43 Toyota trucks.

Hiluxes were on the Free Syrian Army’s wish list. Oubai Shahbander, a Washington-based advisor to the Syrian National Coalition, is a fan of the truck.

“Specific equipment like the Toyota Hiluxes are what we refer to as force enablers for the moderate opposition forces on the ground,” he adds. Shahbander says the US-supplied pickups will be delivering troops and supplies into battle. Some of the fleet will even become battlefield weapons.

That’s exactly what happened …

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/10/the-u-s-government-supplied-isis-iconic-pickup-trucks.html

Are you fucking kidding?

The Toyota Hilux is just a pickup truck. 
  There is nothing "military" about a pickup truck last I heard.

The Humvees are a whole different thing depending on configuration. 

Neither is in the category of Stryker or Bradley of course.
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November 16, 2015, 04:52:26 PM
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The U.S. Government Supplied ISIS’ Iconic Pickup Trucks

Posted on October 12, 2015 by WashingtonsBlog

U.S. counter-terror officials have launched an investigation into how ISIS got so many of those identical Toyota pickup trucks which they use in their convoys.

They don’t have to look very far …

The Spectator reported last year:

The [Toyota] Hilux [pics] is light, fast, manoeuvrable and all but indestructible (‘bomb-proof’ might not, in this instance, be a happy usage).  The weapons experts Jane’s claimed for the Hilux a similar significance to the longbows of Agincourt or the Huey choppers of Nam. A US Army Ranger said the Toyota sure ‘kicks the hell out of a Humvee’ (referring to the clumsy and over-sized High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle made by AM General).

***

The fact is the Toyotas were supplied by the US government to the Al Nusra Front as ‘non-lethal aid’ then ‘acquired’ by ISIS.

Al Nusra Front is literally Al Qaeda.

Public Radio International – an American public radio outlet – also documented a specific shipment of Toyotas by the U.S. State Department in 2014:

Recently, when the US State Department resumed sending non-lethal aid to Syrian rebels, the delivery list included 43 Toyota trucks.

Hiluxes were on the Free Syrian Army’s wish list. Oubai Shahbander, a Washington-based advisor to the Syrian National Coalition, is a fan of the truck.

“Specific equipment like the Toyota Hiluxes are what we refer to as force enablers for the moderate opposition forces on the ground,” he adds. Shahbander says the US-supplied pickups will be delivering troops and supplies into battle. Some of the fleet will even become battlefield weapons.

That’s exactly what happened …

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/10/the-u-s-government-supplied-isis-iconic-pickup-trucks.html

Are you fucking kidding?

The Toyota Hilux is just a pickup truck. 
  There is nothing "military" about a pickup truck last I heard.

The Humvees are a whole different thing depending on configuration. 

Neither is in the category of Stryker or Bradley of course.

Take it up with these people

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The weapons experts Jane’s claimed for the Hilux a similar significance to the longbows of Agincourt or the Huey choppers of Nam. A US Army Ranger said the Toyota sure ‘kicks the hell out of a Humvee’ (referring to the clumsy and over-sized High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle made by AM General).

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November 17, 2015, 05:37:27 PM
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I don't think the peshmerga have a chance at defeating DAESH. They have won individual battles in Kurdistan, but there are not enough of them to fight in Iraq or Syria. And the YPG has been very clear that they are not fighting outside of Kurdistan.

YPG is one of the numerous Peshmerga factions. There are other larger factions, which are ready to fight the ISIS in its core heartlands. And cities such as Mosul historically belonged to the Kurdistan, although the current population is mostly composed of Sunni Arabs. The Kurds will be ready to liberate Mosul from the ISIS, and if they can do that, it will be a devastating blow for the ISIS.
I agree. Mosul will be a key fight for peshmerga troops. My concern is Baghdad, Anbar, and the south east. The Kurd political leadership keep saying that they are securing the Kurd homeland and are not  going to fight in Iraq. Perhaps that will change if we offer money, state level weapons and most importantly recognition of Kurdistan. We might as well. If we went to visit north Iraq we would see only the flags of Kurdistan, we would use Kurd money not Iraqi money, and all the maps would say Kurdistan. Only people outside of the area pretend it is still Iraq.

My other concern is the effectiveness of peshmerga fighters. Frankly, they are not very good. Their victories have been exaggerated, IMO. When I looked into their battlefield tactics their mystique diminished greatly. They use a "rolling attack" almost 100% of the time. That technique must have shocked DASEH, who are used to the enemy running away in disarray. But it is a technique that can be resisted effectively if you know its coming. So repeating the recent victories will get harder and, once the enemy has learned, will no longer work.

A rolling attack requires brave fighters and momentum. Basically they keep moving forward at all costs. It is terrifying to see such an attack coming at you, but if you keep your cool and halt the attack it tends to fall apart. At that point you sally from your positions and slaughter the attackers as they try to escape. I think the peshmerga are vulnerable to such a counterattack.  Once the attack starts they don't communicate much. If their line collapses anywhere then it's chaos. ...
Bah.  Think "air-land-sea."  Not 19th century concepts.
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November 17, 2015, 09:32:48 PM
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The weapons experts Jane’s claimed for the Hilux a similar significance to the longbows of Agincourt or the Huey choppers of Nam. A US Army Ranger said the Toyota sure ‘kicks the hell out of a Humvee’ (referring to the clumsy and over-sized High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle made by AM General).

YES. The Hillux does kick ass. There is a reason that armies all over the world use them. The HMMWV has become a jeep for sissies. They keep adding armor all over it and turning it into a armor vehicle that's a lot less useful.
There is a role for an unarmored light, fast vehicle in any conflict. In WW2 it was the jeep. Once you start up-armoring the vehicle becomes less useful. It can go less places, it moves slower and wares on the engine, it's harder to see where your going, and there is less interior space.
They do hold up better in an IED attack and will stop small arms fire but you can't spend all your time trying to not get hurt. In combat you have to take risks and smash teeth. Special forces, like the SAS, know this. The guys I trained with all had the phrase below on their uniform.


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