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June 09, 2015, 02:38:03 AM
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So now it's not Seleka but the remaining militia, Ok except the flaw once again in your logic is that Anti-Balaka been killing Muslims for years and the killing just intensified after Seleka disbanded, and that's not even the issues, I'm not talking about Selekas vs Anti Balaka ie militia fights, I'm talking about the Anti Balaka masacring children women, and peacefull people, even the UN is warning of the massacre.

You seems to be indulging in a campaign of disinformation. The Anti-Balaka was formed in 2013, after the ex-Seleka started the killings of innocent Christians.

Once again, no such thing was documented, Some of the Monks gave such excuxes to rally people without a single proof, the Islamophobia runs deep in some monks, and the felling came from Sri Linka events. According to many international instances the Muslim population is Maynmar was of peacefull and never done anything to get what they are getting

May be you should go through this:

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On the evening of 28 May, a group of Muslim men robbed, raped and murdered an ethnic Rakhine woman, Ma Thida Htwe, near her village Tha Pri Chaung on May 28 in 2012, when she was returning home from Kyauk Ni Maw Village of Rambree township.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Rakhine_State_riots

The Khmer Rouges were indeed xenophobic and killed foreigners and this is a fact, but I'm talking about the fact they killed their own Muslims just because they are muslims within their population which is definitly an Islamophobic act,  One does not stop from being the other


95% of the people killed by the Khmer Rogue was Buddhist. So your argument is invalid.

I think you are confusing the number around 40.000-50.000 (the highest estimates talks about 60000) were the total amount of Serbs casualties military and civilians, which mostly were Serbian Muslims, how can the whole number be at the same time the number of Serbs massacred by Muslims Huh  For reference just the Srebrenica massacre alone account for 8000-10000  in the laps of 3 DAYS....

Serbian Muslims? The Muslims in Bosnia are Serbs, who converted to Islam from Orthodoxy during the Ottoman rule. They are now known as Bosnian Muslims. There were no Muslims among the Bosnian Serbs. So please don't lie here.
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June 09, 2015, 07:11:30 PM
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You seems to be indulging in a campaign of disinformation. The Anti-Balaka was formed in 2013, after the ex-Seleka started the killings of innocent Christians.


I'm sorry but if anyone is indulging in disinformation is you, Seleka was disbanded in 2013 Anti-Balaka was formed in the 90s and their armed activities started to scale in 2009 to reach it peak in 2013 with the new president of central africa

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http://en.apa.az/xeber_cafrica_militia_is_an_enemy_of_peace__f_206912.html
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka
Heck even the english wiki mentions the 90s origines without going to details : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-balaka

Once again, no such thing was documented, Some of the Monks gave such excuxes to rally people without a single proof, the Islamophobia runs deep in some monks, and the felling came from Sri Linka events. According to many international instances the Muslim population is Maynmar was of peacefull and never done anything to get what they are getting

May be you should go through this:

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On the evening of 28 May, a group of Muslim men robbed, raped and murdered an ethnic Rakhine woman, Ma Thida Htwe, near her village Tha Pri Chaung on May 28 in 2012, when she was returning home from Kyauk Ni Maw Village of Rambree township.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Rakhine_State_riots

Just a reminder of what you said

People got tired of the endless number of rapes and murders committed by the Rohingya. And both the sides lost people during the conflict.

So the best you could come out with is one case, which in no way is an argument against my initial replay on this precise point and again as a reminder :

Myanmar : Even if we assume the excuse you are making here is true which is NOT but for sake of or argumentation let's assume so :So a Muslim commited a crime, so instead of taken him to prison, lets kill all the Muslims because that make sense right? Your logic is one again flawless.
Once again this is not the reason why the events started that was just one of many excuses that some monks advertised to get the mass to follow them and to massacre muslims.


The Khmer Rouges were indeed xenophobic and killed foreigners and this is a fact, but I'm talking about the fact they killed their own Muslims just because they are muslims within their population which is definitly an Islamophobic act,  One does not stop from being the other

95% of the people killed by the Khmer Rogue was Buddhist. So your argument is invalid.


First of all I invite you to post a proof of this claim, and secondly I invite you to explain how my arguments is invalid, as the vast majority of people that were killed were either foreigners or Muslims, Like I said before Khmer rouges (red in french) are Xenophobe and Islamophobe bunch. If the ratio of LOCAL (population) Buddist deaths is no where 95% then I'll concede as a non argument, but if you can't provide a single proof of such a thing then I'm sorry but the argument that would be invalide is yours.

Serbian Muslims? The Muslims in Bosnia are Serbs, who converted to Islam from Orthodoxy during the Ottoman rule. They are now known as Bosnian Muslims. There were no Muslims among the Bosnian Serbs. So please don't lie here.

Euh? So far, and as proven above if anyone is lying here that would be you, but let's keep this discussion civil shall we : So I'll answer this from two perspectives to prove you wrong :the first would be Bosnian Muslims which are serbs ethnicity exist, and please do check your facts, while yes Serbs are predominatly Christians as BosniaKs are predominately Muslims, doesn't mean there wasn't Bosnians serbs that were Muslims, and the whole point of them living in Srebrenica is because they are muslims. The other proof, is that even in Serbia there are Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:BoristheSavic99
You can check the appendixs for examples of Muslim serbs.
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June 09, 2015, 07:59:52 PM
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The Khmer Rouges were indeed xenophobic and killed foreigners and this is a fact, but I'm talking about the fact they killed their own Muslims just because they are muslims within their population which is definitly an Islamophobic act,  One does not stop from being the other


I'm not sure that your logic here follows.  They were hard core Communists, therefore they hated Religion and sought to banish it.  Can you claim Islamophobia here, when it is simply Religionophobia?

In other words, weren't they pretty much equal opportunity killers?

Caveat:  I am NOT a student of the history of that region, but certainly do remember those times.
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June 10, 2015, 04:15:36 AM
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Euh? So far, and as proven above if anyone is lying here that would be you, but let's keep this discussion civil shall we : So I'll answer this from two perspectives to prove you wrong :the first would be Bosnian Muslims which are serbs ethnicity exist, and please do check your facts, while yes Serbs are predominatly Christians as BosniaKs are predominately Muslims, doesn't mean there wasn't Bosnians serbs that were Muslims, and the whole point of them living in Srebrenica is because they are muslims. The other proof, is that even in Serbia there are Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:BoristheSavic99
You can check the appendixs for examples of Muslim serbs.

I know what I am talking about, and if you don't want to believe me, you can ask about the same to any Serbian or Bosnian member of this forum yourself. Bosniak Muslims are ethnic Serbs, who converted to Islam (mostly under the influence of force) when the region was under Ottoman rule. They speak the Serbian language, and other than religion, they don't have much difference from the Orthodox Serbs.
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It's a fact that enslavement, exploitation, deep seated sense of racist attitude is prevalent among arabs and muslims in general. The religious support for all these makes the supposed 'christian oppression' look like half baked amateur play. They don't even recognize their faults - it's simply accepted as truth and fact unlike the west that has fully proven capable of change and improvement all on its own.

Such foundations seep into unweary populations in other countries like a plague. Many of the conflicts in africa for example, can be traced to arabized africans vs. real africans.

The key to understanding muslims and arabs in general is that slaver/slave dealer mindset and desperate sense of inferiority complex mixed with racist attitude IS the foundation of their identity. They were the first slavers of black africans; It is they who killed and kidnapped blacks en mass from ancient times, kidnapping and raping 'nubile black african women' especially, and even continued to do so openly until late 19th century and still do so today under the guise of domestic workers/foreign labor/essentially indentured servitude dictated strictly by racial reasons.

They must be exterminated down to the last seed, last woman and child, and their wives should be raped, violated and their children thrown into the pit, their screams being fitting retribution for the multiple millenia of crimes against humanity that arabs and mulsims have perpetrated. Their current 'oppression's is a lie - akin to a thief and rapist complaining the jailhouse doesn't have a 50 inch plasma TV, or complaining that their victims are not allowing themselves to be targeted. All the more reason to fk them to pieces.

Make no mistake - you must fight against rapists, thieves, murders, and slavers. Arabs and muslims are exactly that, and have been for several millenia, with lies of so called culture (that they stole from greeks, jews, indians, romans, europeans, asians, etc etc). There is no compromise to be had against racists or rapists and murders. This is a war of race, religion, and hatred being waged by muslims through lies, sniveling smiles, violence, and outright disrespect towards all others world wide.

There isn't a single border that is bloodless where significant muslim population meets a significant civilization. From the islands of philippines, western china, to borders of pakistan, chechnya, southern russia, balkans, middle east (where christians and jews and non muslims such as yazdhis have all but been exterminated), north africa, etc etc, it is a fact that muslims are rats and pigs who need to be raped to pieces to learn their place. The so called 'peace' instilled in majority muslim nations such as indonesia is only a disguise where minority non-muslims are more or less treated as subordinate to muslims at best - all pretty faces until some small matter inspires these muslims to oppress their 'brothers'.

Lies upon lies upon lies.  


The only real hate crimes are muslim crimes. As a minority, it's obvious when a minority is bullshitting and trying to manipulate people. Muslims world wide are doing exactly that, from the lowest gas station employee to the presidents of arab muslim nations. Lies are not only accepted - they are not thought of lies at all. They attempt to manipulate the guilt based social fabric of the west, the duty bound face saving culture of the east, and foolishly believe they are fooling anyone.


There is no such thing as 'islamophobia'. Phobia implies an irrational reaction against something that needs no such reaction. There is nothing irrational about hating and wanting to exterminate rapists, murderes, and  disrespectful whores who can't keep their mouths shut or open them without lying twice with one word.

It's high time arabs and muslims are fk'd to pieces for who they are. Despite the laughable lies and supine ignorance of the mainstream media, many people around the world from US to Europe to China and Russia, are quietly coming to form their own conclusion about these liars and cowards.

I guarantee that the day of reckoning is only a matter of time. No more justifiable war will be fought within our life time, and no greater duty will there be for all civilized and decent people than to put these muslims and arabs in their place.
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June 10, 2015, 10:00:07 AM
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Such foundations seep into unweary populations in other countries like a plague. Many of the conflicts in africa for example, can be traced to arabized africans vs. real africans.

Africa is a very diverse society. Both Christianity and Islam has brought in misery for the people there. In countries such as Sudan, it is the Muslims who are killing the non-Muslims, while in countries like Uganda, it is the Christians who are killing the non-Christians. Africa would have been a much better place without these two religions / sects.
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June 10, 2015, 02:20:25 PM
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It's a fact that enslavement, exploitation, deep seated sense of racist attitude is prevalent among arabs and muslims in general. The religious support for all these makes the supposed 'christian oppression' look like half baked amateur play. They don't even recognize their faults - it's simply accepted as truth and fact unlike the west that has fully proven capable of change and improvement all on its own. ....the day of reckoning is only a matter of time. No more justifiable war will be fought within our life time, and no greater duty will there be for all civilized and decent people than to put these muslims and arabs in their place.
Well, the straw puppets sure are thick around here.
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June 10, 2015, 02:30:43 PM
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/anti-islamophobia-group-had-list-of-jewish-targets-plans-for-nuclear-bomb/



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Well now that's interesting.  I quote from the mouth of this latest fool -

(Referencing 9/11)

“It was said that it was Muslims who were behind these attacks, but nobody believes. Absolutely no one. There are scientists who have studied the issue,” Mohammed aka Abu Hamza or Cortex claimed.

But for some unclear reason, the Knights produced a video celebrating Osama bin Laden even though ‘scientists’ found he had nothing to do with 9/11.


Well they should get on this forum and discuss their belief that it was Jews that did 9/11. 

The pushing of illogic as truth is a bit of a problem.  Once you have people believing 1+1 is not 2, all kinds of crazy start.
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Interesting article about pseudo and contrived victimization.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/the-islamophobia-revolution-will-be-brought-to-you-by-diet-coke/

There isn’t a single fatal anti-Muslim hate crime on record. Islamophobia has never killed anyone. The average anti-Muslim hate crime is committed by other Muslims.


Incorrect. Islamaphobia killed quite a few new yorkers americans in the aftermath of 9/11.

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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Interesting article about pseudo and contrived victimization.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/the-islamophobia-revolution-will-be-brought-to-you-by-diet-coke/

There isn’t a single fatal anti-Muslim hate crime on record. Islamophobia has never killed anyone. The average anti-Muslim hate crime is committed by other Muslims.


islamaphobia killed quite a few new yorkers in the aftermath of 9/11.

Revenge seekers?

Citation?
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Interesting article about pseudo and contrived victimization.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/the-islamophobia-revolution-will-be-brought-to-you-by-diet-coke/

There isn’t a single fatal anti-Muslim hate crime on record. Islamophobia has never killed anyone. The average anti-Muslim hate crime is committed by other Muslims.


islamaphobia killed quite a few new yorkers in the aftermath of 9/11.

Revenge seekers?
Yes.

Arizona http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Balbir_Singh_Sodhi

Texas http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-man-mark-stroman-executed-killing-store-clerk-9-11-revenge-shooting-spree-article-1.159838

NYC  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb4ZJlUXeBU

A culture that glorifies and fetishizes violence to the extent we do shouldn't be shocked when its citizens commit random acts of violence.

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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Interesting article about pseudo and contrived victimization.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/the-islamophobia-revolution-will-be-brought-to-you-by-diet-coke/

There isn’t a single fatal anti-Muslim hate crime on record. Islamophobia has never killed anyone. The average anti-Muslim hate crime is committed by other Muslims.


islamaphobia killed quite a few new yorkers in the aftermath of 9/11.

Revenge seekers?
Yes.

Arizona http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Balbir_Singh_Sodhi

Texas http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-man-mark-stroman-executed-killing-store-clerk-9-11-revenge-shooting-spree-article-1.159838

NYC  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb4ZJlUXeBU

A culture that glorifies and fetishizes violence to the extent we do shouldn't be shocked when its citizens commit random acts of violence.

Wow, that was one crazy guy.  Looks like he had imaginary friends -

He blamed the shootings on the loss of a sister in the collapse of one of the World Trade Center towers, although there is no evidence she ever existed, prosecutors argued.
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June 11, 2015, 10:16:25 PM
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Interesting article about pseudo and contrived victimization.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/the-islamophobia-revolution-will-be-brought-to-you-by-diet-coke/

There isn’t a single fatal anti-Muslim hate crime on record. Islamophobia has never killed anyone. The average anti-Muslim hate crime is committed by other Muslims.




That a nice one. So what should we do with muslims then? Frobid all the mosks and islamic religion like some countrues did? Like Angola did, for example.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513388/Angola-bans-Islam-shuts-mosques.html

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Interesting article about pseudo and contrived victimization.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/the-islamophobia-revolution-will-be-brought-to-you-by-diet-coke/

There isn’t a single fatal anti-Muslim hate crime on record. Islamophobia has never killed anyone. The average anti-Muslim hate crime is committed by other Muslims.




That a nice one. So what should we do with muslims then? Frobid all the mosks and islamic religion like some countrues did? Like Angola did, for example.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513388/Angola-bans-Islam-shuts-mosques.html

No way!

I'd go for something far milder....like....

Okay?  So you want some?  You want to make some trouble?  Okay them. You muslims...we ain't giving no diet cokes to any of you!  Got it?  Because she complained.  So much for that.  Now take that!  All you get is regular Cokes.

LOL...

Just kidding....
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Interesting article about pseudo and contrived victimization.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/the-islamophobia-revolution-will-be-brought-to-you-by-diet-coke/

There isn’t a single fatal anti-Muslim hate crime on record. Islamophobia has never killed anyone. The average anti-Muslim hate crime is committed by other Muslims.




That a nice one. So what should we do with muslims then? Frobid all the mosks and islamic religion like some countrues did? Like Angola did, for example.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513388/Angola-bans-Islam-shuts-mosques.html

Angola knows the risk of extremism and racism among its ranks. Good on them to take this step against muslims.
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That a nice one. So what should we do with muslims then? Frobid all the mosks and islamic religion like some countrues did? Like Angola did, for example.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513388/Angola-bans-Islam-shuts-mosques.html

Pathetic. Angola banned Islam, becasue it clashes with state religion of Christianity. Remember that 30-40 years ago, the majority of the people in Angola were believers in the traditional African religion. I remember the words of one African guy. "When the White man first landed in Africa, they had their bible, and we had our land. Now we have their bible, and they have our land".
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That a nice one. So what should we do with muslims then? Frobid all the mosks and islamic religion like some countrues did? Like Angola did, for example.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513388/Angola-bans-Islam-shuts-mosques.html

Pathetic. Angola banned Islam, becasue it clashes with state religion of Christianity. Remember that 30-40 years ago, the majority of the people in Angola were believers in the traditional African religion. I remember the words of one African guy. "When the White man first landed in Africa, they had their bible, and we had our land. Now we have their bible, and they have our land".

LOL pathetic

So your 'reason' is that Angola's problem is that they are christian? Why don't you bitch at the arab world for explicitly purging non muslims, destroying everything but the mosques and converted mosques, and even as we speak outlaw non muslim religions? This btch needs to chck himself.

If I recall correctly, christianity was founded by a bunch of jewish guys. So unless you got a specific religious bigotry against christianity, there is no way you think that's even a reason to argue with.

And what if they are rejecting islam because they are christian? Islam has proven time and time again it is the enemy of all non muslims, whether they be budhists, hindus, christians, jews, yazhdis, etc etc etc.

The fact that you think you are thinking rationally is fcking amusing LOL Grin

And who is this 'african guy' you met 30 years ago? If you even fcking cared to be impartial aside from btching and moaning, you might remember angola has been its own country for decades, its land belonging to angolans. Maybe you ought to ask about how cubans launched their own vietnam war in angola, using military intervention tactics during cold war that mirrored and EXCEEDED american tactics in vietnam way under the guise of 'socialist solidarity'.

But a btch like you is hardly expected to be impartial Cheesy


Edit: Another amusing fact: In the eyes of african blacks, arabs and middle east races are the first 'white slavers' to enslave them, and islam a great promoter of such slavery no matter the guise of 'no enslaving muslims' (meaning ok to enslave everyone else using every possible excuse). The Zanji rebellion (literally 'Black' or 'Negro' rebellion) in middle age iraq specifically was against the 'whites'/arab muslims.

How amusing than, that you are so quick to point to christianity with your anti-white racist agenda (maybe self hate? LOL you fucks are pathetic) while ignorant as fck about real history. As a minority, your antics are supremely amusing.

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Interesting article about pseudo and contrived victimization.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/the-islamophobia-revolution-will-be-brought-to-you-by-diet-coke/

There isn’t a single fatal anti-Muslim hate crime on record. Islamophobia has never killed anyone. The average anti-Muslim hate crime is committed by other Muslims.



What about the isolated cases of people killing Muslims and those who were mistaken for Muslims (such as Sikhs) just after the 9/11 attacks? Do those incidents not count as Islamophobia?

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Interesting article about pseudo and contrived victimization.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/the-islamophobia-revolution-will-be-brought-to-you-by-diet-coke/

There isn’t a single fatal anti-Muslim hate crime on record. Islamophobia has never killed anyone. The average anti-Muslim hate crime is committed by other Muslims.



What about the isolated cases of people killing Muslims and those who were mistaken for Muslims (such as Sikhs) just after the 9/11 attacks? Do those incidents not count as Islamophobia?

The OP quotes the article.  The article, as I mentioned, is quite interesting - but that concerns the CURRENT WAVE of use of "Islamophobe" as an attack term for purposes of intimidation.

Several people have cited cases of killings which certainly do seem to be "Islamophobia."
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