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September 20, 2015, 04:27:40 PM |
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Hope its not happen as both the countries are Nuclear. Wars hardly solve any problems. They should sit together and sort out their differences peacefully
Disadvantages of war include death and injury of large numbers of people, loss of economic resources, destruction of the environment, loss of productivity and lasting damage to military personnel. And if US and Russia rage war against each other probably the end of the world, both sides have nuclear weapons that can wipe all atmosphere, specially the russians.
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September 20, 2015, 04:39:23 PM |
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And if US and Russia rage war against each other probably the end of the world, both sides have nuclear weapons that can wipe all atmosphere, specially the russians.
US and Russia posses thousands of nuclear weapons respectively. That almost guarantees that the presidents of both these nations will not authorize a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the enemy. Both are likely to follow a No first use (NFU) policy. However, this can change if some lunatic is elected as the president. For example, Hillary Clinton of the United States, and her Russian alter ego, Vladimir Zhirinovsky. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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September 20, 2015, 05:19:36 PM |
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A US attack on Russia, would debastador for Europe and the rest of world populations. I do not believe that to happen, especially when the Cold War was overcome. Now the enemy is not communism, is terrorism, they have been attacked in their own land.
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September 20, 2015, 07:01:58 PM |
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Secret societies which run USA are trying to destroy Russia and still free parts of the world at any cost because Russia still has moral and family values they hate because those values make people strong and stable and not so easily controllable. So USA will do everything to make Russia collapse, main way is to destroy it's family values and freedom by homosexual propaganda. Most of the west is already made weak, now they are trying to take the rest of the planet under their influence using homosexual propaganda as one of their main mind control weapons. This article shows how their mind control works http://library.gayhomeland.org/0018/EN/EN_Overhauling_Straight.htm
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September 21, 2015, 12:31:05 AM |
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With the freedom in the United States as it is, there are only one or two ways to talk people into joining the military. People won't join without a good reason, and we don't have enough military to fight Russia with our military spread out around the world like it is. The ways to get us to join our military are: 1. Do another thing like the 9/11 inside job with Russia as the culprit this time, instead of the Arabs; 2. Crush the economy somehow, like with a bank collapse, so that people join the military just to have a job. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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September 21, 2015, 05:14:14 PM |
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The United States had already tried its part of Proxy war in Russia. There was serious support from the Americans for the Chechen Islamists, when the latter was fighting the Russians in the 90s. Also, the Americans have tried to instigate civil war in other Muslim majority regions of Russia, such as Daghestan, Ingushetia and Kabardino-Balkaria.
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September 21, 2015, 05:15:37 PM |
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dont get nervous calm down no attacts will be made terror can never happen into europe or russia or usa or any peoples country
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September 21, 2015, 09:49:53 PM |
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^ don't disagree with the idea but: 2. Standard knowledge that most of the time democracies do not engage others 3. First world nations fight via economic battles now (Look at past sanctions)
2. democratic peace theory? Never really believed it. Maybe it's easier to demonize enemies that are different and scary. And harder to do that in a democracy. But it comes down to how effective the propaganda is in the end. 3. and arming opposition forces in other countries. And training them. And financing them. And conducting propaganda to incite revolts. Etc. They don't do all this directly because it would be hard to convince the public not to complain. But it's done. And not that economic battles don't have a terrible effect on the population too. Sometimes more than direct conflict. But it's spread out in time so people don't pay as much attention. The US and Russia are more or less Frenemies now, they are not enemies in the sense as they won't attack each other but are both very headstrong and refuse to look like they backed down and friends as in the sense we would definitely come to Russia's aid if invaded by some sort of giant aggressor they couldn't handle.
Maybe. But probably only after they were beaten up enough that they would be easy to control later.
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September 21, 2015, 10:00:21 PM |
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5. If somehow a skirmish happened the US Military far exceeds the Russian military in terms of strength
I´m not so sure about that. What kind of skirmish do you have in mind and where? If it´s on Russia´s borders it´s difficult to imagine that the U.S. would have any overwhelming force there. Any meaningful skirmish elsewhere, where would that be? Syria? What is the strength of U.S. forces in the area? I guess Russia could pretty quickly fly massive forces over to Syria if needed, it isn´t like it´s half way across the globe or anything.
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September 21, 2015, 10:18:26 PM |
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Yeah kingcolex, they would never escalate some minor skirmishes. And hopefully they make extra sure that any skirmishes don´t take place at all because I guess you never say never. It´s easy to start wars but more problematic to control how they develop. So, war between these nuclear superpowers is simply out of the question. I´m sure that the people in charge realize this very well and take the necessary precautions, unless they are insane.
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September 22, 2015, 02:10:12 AM |
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Hmmmmm, what the hell happened?? Did average IQ in the US suddenly jump by several points recently?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1/2 of Americans see their government as threat – pollAlmost half of the US population - 49 percent - regards the government as a threat to their lives and liberty, according to a new Gallup poll. Distrust in the federal government has been on the rise since 2006, when it stood at 46 percent. The poll was conducted between September 9 and September 13, and included an open-ended question whether the US government was an “immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens.” Two in three Republicans and one in three Democrats answered yes, Gallup noted. Among those agreeing, one in five was most concerned about the government becoming too big, too powerful, and having too many laws. Another 15 percent cited violations of freedoms and civil liberties, while 12 percent cited gun control efforts and threats to the 2nd amendment. General complaints about the government included runaway spending, “socialism,” involvement in things outside its purview, and violation of the separation of powers. Another common concern was that the government was showing favoritism towards the wealthy, or racial and ethnic minorities. Respondents citing specific complaints were worried about freedom of speech and religion, the behavior of law enforcement agents, government surveillance of private citizens, the government’s involvement in gay marriage issues, and healthcare, as well as immigration, taxation and business regulation. Currently, Republicans are twice as likely to distrust the government as Democrats. The proportion was almost exactly the opposite a decade ago, during the George W. Bush administration, prompting Gallup researchers to point out that “these attitudes reflect more of a response to the president and disagreement with his policies than a fundamental feeling about the federal government in general.” However, Democrats who feel threatened by the government generally cite similar reasons as Republicans, Gallup researchers noted. Democrats were “somewhat less likely” to mention gun control and issues like marriage, taxes, immigration, government spending, or healthcare. The poll also found that, while no single issue dominated, the three most pressing issues identified by respondents were dissatisfaction with the government, the economy in general, and immigration. “The role and power of government remains a key issue of our time,” Gallup researchers concluded. READ MORE: Nearly 1/3 of Americans would back military coup against government – pollOther recent polls have suggested that voters are increasingly concerned over gun control and illegal immigration. According to a CNN/ORC poll from September 8, 42 percent consider gun policy an “extremely important” concern in the presidential campaign, while 39 percent named illegal immigration as a key issue. A September 9 poll conducted by UK researcher YouGov indicated that a third of the country would back a military coup, and that the public perceived the military as far more inclined to act in the public interest than Congress. Gallup’s new poll was based on a sample of 1,025 US adults over 18 years of age, from all 50 US states and the District of Columbia, with a 4 percent margin of error and a 95 percent confidence level. http://www.rt.com/usa/316139-govt-immediate-threat-poll/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome
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September 22, 2015, 08:10:09 AM |
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Distrust of the government by the looks of the poll is due to spying,spending and marriage so reasonable concerns. Economy of course still tops them all. As for arming themselves with Guns well nothing out of the ordinary there and with all the support for the military I can see why they would support said Coup ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Hmmmmm, what the hell happened?? Did average IQ in the US suddenly jump by several points recently??
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General complaints about the government included runaway spending, “socialism,” involvement in things outside its purview, and violation of the separation of powers. Another common concern was that the government was showing favoritism towards the wealthy, or racial and ethnic minorities.
Respondents citing specific complaints were worried about freedom of speech and religion, the behavior of law enforcement agents, government surveillance of private citizens, the government’s involvement in gay marriage issues, and healthcare, as well as immigration, taxation and business regulation.
The poll also found that, while no single issue dominated, the three most pressing issues identified by respondents were dissatisfaction with the government, the economy in general, and immigration.
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September 22, 2015, 11:32:30 AM |
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Yes freedomno1, and to divert attention from problems at home and somehow try to unite the populace behind you there are endless external "threats" (commies, terriers, russkies, isis - once one gets too old you just create a new one) and wars. It´s certainly nothing new in the history of the world. It´s both for control and profit. The Romans were the overwhelming military power of their time but they were always under attack at least according to the people in charge. So of course they were forced to invade the "attackers". Problem solved and they got more land, resources and slaves. But it was all for peace and civilization. Pax Romana, Pax Americana.
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September 22, 2015, 11:34:57 AM |
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Yes freedomno1, and to divert attention from problems at home and somehow try to unite the populace behind you there are endless external "threats" (commies, terriers, russkies, isis once one gets too old you just create a new one) and wars. It´s certainly nothing new in the history of the world. It´s both for control and profit. The Romans were the overwhelming military power of their time but they were always under attack at least according to the people in charge. So of course they were forced to invade the "attackers". Problem solved and they got more land, resources and slaves. But it was all for peace and civilization. Pax Romana, Pax Americana.
Good answer. America attack Russia with sling and stone. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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September 22, 2015, 11:58:23 AM |
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Yes freedomno1, and to divert attention from problems at home and somehow try to unite the populace behind you there are endless external "threats" (commies, terriers, russkies, isis once one gets too old you just create a new one) and wars. It´s certainly nothing new in the history of the world. It´s both for control and profit. The Romans were the overwhelming military power of their time but they were always under attack at least according to the people in charge. So of course they were forced to invade the "attackers". Problem solved and they got more land, resources and slaves. But it was all for peace and civilization. Pax Romana, Pax Americana.
Good answer. America attack Russia with sling and stone. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) But it gets better. This constant war business was extremely costly and sometimes the Romans took out loans from friendly kingdoms on the periphery of the empire to help fund it. Well, sometimes when it came time to pay up friends turned into enemies and needed to be invaded, taken over and civilized. Pretty ruthless but those were the times. Nowadays it´s much more subtle. But it´s the same patterns.
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September 22, 2015, 12:23:05 PM |
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Yes freedomno1, and to divert attention from problems at home and somehow try to unite the populace behind you there are endless external "threats" (commies, terriers, russkies, isis once one gets too old you just create a new one) and wars. It´s certainly nothing new in the history of the world. It´s both for control and profit. The Romans were the overwhelming military power of their time but they were always under attack at least according to the people in charge. So of course they were forced to invade the "attackers". Problem solved and they got more land, resources and slaves. But it was all for peace and civilization. Pax Romana, Pax Americana.
Good answer. America attack Russia with sling and stone. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) But it gets better. This constant war business was extremely costly and sometimes the Romans took out loans from friendly kingdoms on the periphery of the empire to help fund it. Well, sometimes when it came time to pay up friends turned into enemies and needed to be invaded, taken over and civilized. Pretty ruthless but those were the times. Nowadays it´s much more subtle. But it´s the same patterns. Actually, that's what it is all about - the debt money system. Debt money gives the controllers of the system (the banks), funds so that they can move forward with whatever plans they have. It improves everyone else somewhat. But there is no foundation to it. The improvements come fast, but they are not strong, foundationally, because they need to be repaid. The only way to keep the debt money system afloat is to borrow more. The more that is borrowed, the more somebody needs to make loan payments. The whole world is on the edge of being used up making the loan payments in this Ponzi. When the loan payments can be made no longer, the debt money system collapses. But by then, the wealthy have bought up and own the land by deed. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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September 22, 2015, 01:09:10 PM |
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5. If somehow a skirmish happened the US Military far exceeds the Russian military in terms of strength
I´m not so sure about that. What kind of skirmish do you have in mind and where? If it´s on Russia´s borders it´s difficult to imagine that the U.S. would have any overwhelming force there. Any meaningful skirmish elsewhere, where would that be? Syria?
Yeah lets say a small skirmish happens in Syria (still doubtful as it would be a very bad idea for everyone but especially Russia's economy if they were aggressors) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.antiwar.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F12%2F1.-us-bases-in-the-middle-east-a.jpg&t=665&c=hlRM8Lv4zm-MlA) Looks how many US military bases are close to syria, sure Russia is somewhere close but if this was anywhere close to expected we would be extremely well equiped. It is quite fake map of military bases. Because in Turkmenistan there are no military bases at all! The United Nations General Assembly recognized and supported Turkmenistan's "status of permanent neutrality" on 11 January 1996!
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September 22, 2015, 01:16:40 PM |
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USA lost many allies.For example my country, Turkey.Turkey is a member of NATO, but not a strategic partner to states.I do not think that USA will have allies against Russia other then UK.
If there will be a war, the war will take place in Middle East at Syria, Iraq, Iran etc.
Iran is a potential ally for Russia.
Ukraine,UK, Israel are potential allies for USA.
If the econical crisis continues during 2016 that scnerio may come true.
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September 22, 2015, 01:26:41 PM |
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If USA block all bank account's of Russian politicians and arrested Russian investing programs. And also ban all oil and gas trade. Then Russia will fall down in economic chaos. Western countries have huge power on Russia, all family's of our politician live in western countries. So IMHO it will never be war between Russia and USA. Not now not in future
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