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September 10, 2012, 12:52:26 PM
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Pre-orders

You can make a pre-order by buying a special "DB.RCLMR" security in the Exchange section of https://icbit.se trading platform.
After mass-production announcement you'll be able to exchange 4 bonds for one basic device (Reclaimer One). Number of bonds per device is fixed and won't change.
You'll need more bonds to buy bigger models.

Estimated product performance

ReclaimerOne:4 GH/s$320
Reclaimer4A:8 GH/s$520
ReclaimerRM:80 GH/s$2800

(this price is valid for pre-orders via DB.RCLMR bonds, average price in USD is based on USD/BTC rate at ~10)
Given numbers are not based on working prototype tests yet, but are guaranteed to be not worse than that.

Product description

Reclaimer RM is a 3U 19"-compatible 'rackmount' device which can be controlled via Ethernet connection and work directly at selected pool/bitcoind without any PC. You'll be able to mine on any pool or your own mining server.

How to buy Reclaimer bonds

You can make a pre-order by buying a special DB.RCLMR security in the Exchange section of https://icbit.se trading platform.
Current price is 8 BTC per one DB.RCLMR bond.
Only bitcoins are accepted, but you can try to exchange USD to BTC at the same platform.
USD can be deposited via aurumXchange's VouchX codes.

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September 10, 2012, 12:59:21 PM
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Estimated product performance

ReclaimerOne:4 GH/s$320
Reclaimer4A:8 GH/s$520
ReclaimerRM:80 GH/s$2800

(this price is valid for pre-orders via DB.RCLMR bonds, average price in USD is based on USD/BTC rate at ~10)
Given numbers are not based on working prototype tests yet, but are guaranteed to be not worse than that.

Wow, competition is coming fast now.
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September 10, 2012, 01:03:26 PM
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Wow, competition is coming fast now.
Actually we were thinking about this and making preparations since ~new year, but it was announced only when we decided it to be become real.

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September 10, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
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No word on date availability, can we expect this to ship before 2015 ?
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September 10, 2012, 01:29:20 PM
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No word on date availability, can we expect this to ship before 2015 ?
We expect this to ship somewhere around first half of 03.2013
I'll post additional notice on shipping dates after prototype tests.

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September 10, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
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No word on date availability, can we expect this to ship before 2015 ?
We expect this to ship somewhere around first half of 03.2013
I'll post additional notice on shipping dates after prototype tests.

Im curious how you expect to sell any of these then. Your price/GH is significantly above BFL, and you will probably be ~6 months later. Are you just betting on BFL not delivering?
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September 10, 2012, 01:37:20 PM
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Reclaimer RM is a 3U 19"-compatible 'rackmount' device which can be controlled via Ethernet connection and work directly at selected pool/bitcoind without any PC. You'll be able to mine on any pool or your own mining server.

Rackmount FTW!
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September 10, 2012, 01:37:36 PM
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Seems interesting.. 3 competitors now.. wonder whos numbers are most realistic.
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September 10, 2012, 01:37:53 PM
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Im curious how you expect to sell any of these then. Your price/GH is significantly above BFL, and you will probably be ~6 months later. Are you just betting on BFL not delivering?
My price per GH/s is sometimes lower than some of our competitors.
Also, why would I make our prices much lower if there are no available alternatives at this moment ?

We can make our devices faster for same pre-order price if other products will totally dominate at the release time. It depends on what we'll see then.

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September 10, 2012, 01:49:48 PM
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Do You have estimations on power dissipation ?
Are You willing to disclose more technical details than the competition ?

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September 10, 2012, 02:33:31 PM
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Im curious how you expect to sell any of these then. Your price/GH is significantly above BFL, and you will probably be ~6 months later. Are you just betting on BFL not delivering?
My price per GH/s is sometimes lower than some of our competitors.
Also, why would I make our prices much lower if there are no available alternatives at this moment ?

Since you wont have hardware until next year either, the alternatives are plentyful. They dont exist now, just like your product doesnt exist now, but  alternatives promise much faster delivery and better GH/$. I honestly  dont understand why anyone would preorder your asics instead.
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September 10, 2012, 03:58:28 PM
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September 10, 2012, 06:05:20 PM
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Looks like the 80 gh unit is going to be bigger than BFL's two SC + a working laptop?
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September 10, 2012, 06:16:08 PM
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Will the ASIC support password cracking ? this would be a major benefit over other ASICs
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September 10, 2012, 06:17:59 PM
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Will the ASIC support password cracking ? this would be a major benefit over other ASICs
What kind of passwords ?
No, this is a specialized device and it can be only used for mining, proof-of-work generation and PoW signatures.

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September 10, 2012, 06:21:08 PM
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Not sure, just asking regarding other uses, BFL once stated that their ASICs can do certain type of password cracking which is similar to  SHA256 processing, but they purposely disabled it so they don't run into export limitations.
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September 10, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
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They dont exist now, just like your product doesnt exist now, but  alternatives promise much faster delivery and better GH/$. I honestly  dont understand why anyone would preorder your asics instead.
Presence of competitors is NOT a reason for me to not do anything.
If some of them will start shipping I'll consider changing specifications of our devices, but now it's too early for that.

Making different ASIC products is a good thing for protecting the network, not to mention the competition itself.

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September 10, 2012, 06:29:57 PM
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Not sure, just asking regarding other uses, BFL once stated that their ASICs can do certain type of password cracking which is similar to  SHA256 processing, but they purposely disabled it so they don't run into export limitations.
I can't imagine how this can be done with a custom ASIC product. Either it's suboptimal design consisting of generic packet hasher and separate nonce incrementation module (would only work on SHA256-hashes anyway) or it's not completely truth.
May be their representative was talking about something else.

I remember their announcement of BitForce product that mentions "medical image processing", "Monte-Carlo method" and so on, but that was FPGA and it's technically possible with appropriate bitstream provided. Just as with any other FPGA board, but without GPIO pins.

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September 10, 2012, 06:34:15 PM
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Do You have estimations on power dissipation ?
Are You willing to disclose more technical details than the competition ?
Yes, I have simulation results, but I wouldn't like to publish them because this estimation may be incorrect.
AFAIK our competitors aren't disclosing this kind of information too.
Of course it's much more effective than FPGA products, at least.

As for more technical details: yes, more information will be added.

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September 10, 2012, 09:26:41 PM
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If You don't start with the 3rd round and have the option to send the output of the first complete sha-2 pipe you can use the chip for general sha-2 calculations. this is suboptimal but only a small overhead with the advantage of a new market. But You already have the design and probably MPW based results so it is too late to change anything.

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