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September 11, 2012, 03:41:25 AM
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Rome – The technical Rome government wants to limit cash transactions in Italy.

From 2013, citizens may pay amounts in excess of 50 euros only by credit or debit card. That the Council of Ministers decided today.

The measure is intended to reflect the money laundering and black money payments to clamp down. Since July, the government has banned cash transactions over 1,000 euros.
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September 11, 2012, 03:52:17 AM
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Rome – The technical Rome government wants to limit cash transactions in Italy.

From 2013, citizens may pay amounts in excess of 50 euros only by credit or debit card. That the Council of Ministers decided today.

The measure is intended to reflect the money laundering and black money payments to clamp down. Since July, the government has banned cash transactions over 1,000 euros.

i spent some of my honeymoon in rome... icecream there costs more than €50. can't see this law going down too well with tourists.
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September 11, 2012, 03:57:01 AM
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first drops of fecal mass hit the fan

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September 11, 2012, 03:58:57 AM
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first drops of fecal mass hit the fan


Cash restrictions mean that people will be looking for other ways to transact biz. : )
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September 11, 2012, 03:59:23 AM
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Omg, this is getting fscked up. I would have thought that would be against European regulations, maybe there's fear of a bank rush :/

has little to do with that. And a lot more to do with getting closer and closer to a cashless society.

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September 11, 2012, 04:01:43 AM
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This is crazy talk... governments can say they are going to do whatever, but i have a hard time believing this actually flies, especially in Italy.  Shit I am from an Italian family, my Nonno is still kickin and gives me / my sister / cousins etc $100 every year for our birthdays.   This law would make that very act illegal..  Nonno ain't gonna start writing cheques or using paypal.


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September 11, 2012, 04:30:57 AM
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50 euros

Since July, the government has banned cash transactions over 1,000 euros.

Typo? 500 euros?
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September 11, 2012, 12:36:26 PM
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Typo? 500 euros?

I thought so too, but went to the source and confirmed 50 is correct. However, there seems to be some backpedaling taking place:

http://www.ilmessaggero.it/economia/bancomat_pagamenti_50_euro/notizie/217966.shtml

Either way...these kinds of restrictions are signs of fiscal desperation, and will drive people to learn and adopt Bitcoin at a faster rate to get around the stupid rules.
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September 11, 2012, 07:25:06 PM
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September 13, 2012, 04:40:04 AM
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Soo much for freedom *uch*  Roll Eyes

Freedom?  In Italy?   Roll Eyes

If enough Italians wanted to be free, they would have long ago hung from a tall tree the obscenely rich creepy old charlatan in the Vatican.

These are Romans after all; they voted fairly recently for actual capital F Fascism, 2000 years after trading their Republic for an Empire.


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September 13, 2012, 06:55:49 PM
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so what will happen to all private holders of PM-s ?

how would they spend gold and buy a car ?
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September 13, 2012, 10:25:12 PM
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50 euros

Since July, the government has banned cash transactions over 1,000 euros.

Typo? 500 euros?
It's not a typo, it's right, 50€

but i'm still unsure if that will pass. There are a lot of things that have been proposed and successfully happily refused. I strongly doubt that will pass.
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September 14, 2012, 07:55:48 AM
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No fucking way this passes.

Bro, do you even blockchain?
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September 14, 2012, 08:37:28 AM
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The law is a bit messy to be onest: in fact the text say that a shop is forced to accept an electronic payment for every transaction over 50€ if the customer request so, not that is banned the cash transaction in se.
The big trouble is that POS in Italy will cost a lot of money to shop, specially for little ones (something in the 20-40€/month + a fee for every transaction from 2 to 4% for bancomat and up to 5-6% for credit cards,). A small shop will don't survive all that added costs (in some cases the fees will be higher than the earnings: on a phone card sold at 50€ there will be less than 0,5€ of margin but 1€ at least of fees, so for a PC sold at 500€  on wich there is a 60-70€ of earning but 10-20€ of fees).
Big shops and supermarket have a big discount on fees (usually the pay a fixed monthly fee so the higher is the volume of money cashed by POS the less it will cost for every € processed): is a kind of law written to help banks and big owners (the fact that our prime minister is a member of Bildberg Group and is a Goldman Sachs advisor and Moody's one it's just a coincidence )

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September 14, 2012, 08:47:00 AM
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The law is a bit messy to be onest: in fact the text say that a shop is forced to accept an electronic payment for every transaction over 50€ if the customer request so, not that is banned the cash transaction in se.
The big trouble is that POS in Italy will cost a lot of money to shop, specially for little ones (something in the 20-40€/month + a fee for every transaction from 2 to 4% for bancomat and up to 5-6% for credit cards,). A small shop will don't survive all that added costs (in some cases the fees will be higher than the earnings: on a phone card sold at 50€ there will be less than 0,5€ of margin but 1€ at least of fees, so for a PC sold at 500€  on wich there is a 60-70€ of earning but 10-20€ of fees).
Big shops and supermarket have a big discount on fees (usually the pay a fixed monthly fee so the higher is the volume of money cashed by POS the less it will cost for every € processed): is a kind of law written to help banks and big owners (the fact that our prime minister is a member of Bildberg Group and is a Goldman Sachs advisor and Moody's one it's just a coincidence )

I feel sorry for you.

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September 14, 2012, 09:11:16 AM
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The law dosent talk about the willing of the buyer, the buyer is forced to use electronic money.
They are simply lowering the limit, that should be 1000 as of now.

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September 14, 2012, 12:18:16 PM
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ercolinux is right

It's still unclear if it is "buyer are forced to use electronic money" or "seller must accept eletronic money" for transactions over 50€

and it's still unclear if this will pass at all or not.
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September 14, 2012, 12:20:42 PM
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I heard this news 2/3 times, and it seems that the seller must accept electronic money IF the buyer wants AND IF the transaction is over 50€
Anyway as Gabi said it isn't already a law.

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September 14, 2012, 12:22:48 PM
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ercolinux is right

It's still unclear if it is "buyer are forced to use electronic money" or "seller must accept eletronic money" for transactions over 50€

and it's still unclear if this will pass at all or not.

Nither option is a good sign. A forced use of electronic purchases serves only to further subsidize the banks' income on the backs of the people..

Whether it passes or not now, they will find a way to move in this directon eventually. This gets it on the books for them, where it can appear to be something that there is a choice in now. Later they will mandate it behind closed doors.

I heard this news 2/3 times, and it seems that the seller must accept electronic money IF the buyer wants AND IF the transaction is over 50€
And you can bet through aggressive marketing at the consumer level the buyers will want this. They will be convinced it is better, safer, etc...

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September 14, 2012, 12:29:38 PM
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Neither option is a good sign. A forced use of electronic purchases serves only to further subsidize the banks' income on the backs of the people..

Oh, I don't know about that...
It might just mean that more merchants will take bitcoin. After all, 50€ is only:

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