Vlad "plots" aginst best freind scammer Matthew N. Wright

[Monster Tent]

I would trust Vlad to do the right thing on behafl of the community over Goat anyday .

[the_thing]

If he only pays some debt holders like Vlad then people who are not paid can then sue Vlad for their chunk of the debt.

I don't know where you got that information. If I'm not mistaken, they could only sue Matthew for not paying them. And that's only theoretically, since no bitcoin-related crimes have ever been punished by law and this one will not be an exemption.

In real economy, there are companies that buy debts from creditors with a discount and then try to make debtors pay and since they have a professional background and good lawyers they are often successful where original creditors are not.

Such businesses are completely legit and benefical.

Also please bear in mind that publicly posting private communication is wrong on many levels. I stopped trusting you a long time ago, and you're only making it worse. Seems like too many respected members of the community are untrustworthy (i.e. completely unreliable or with downright scamming tendencies).

[el_rlee]

you feel a 10 000 btc bet 2 days before the deadline is a serious legal obligation?

[JoelKatz]

"Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages."

Seems the forum policy is that PM are personal messages and not private messages.

"Haha, you trusted me, you idiot!"

You have just validated every bad thing everyone has ever said about you.

[Atlas]

"Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages."

Seems the forum policy is that PM are personal messages and not private messages.

"Haha, you trusted me, you idiot!"

You have just validated every bad thing everyone has ever said about you.

And he won't care. That's just how he rolls.

[the_thing]

"Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages."

Seems the forum policy is that PM are personal messages and not private messages.

"Haha, you trusted me, you idiot!"

You have just validated every bad thing everyone has ever said about you.

Anyone who sends me Personal Message's about trying to make secret illegal deals that would hurt others in the community should not trust me.

I haven't seen such a demagogic hypocrite in a long time.
I am disgusted.

[JoelKatz]

Anyone who sends me Personal Message's about trying to make secret illegal deals that would hurt others in the community should not trust me.

You mean anyone who, in your sole judgment, makes such offers. And since your judgment seems to be a bit hard for other people to follow (I'd love to hear why you think this offer is illegal), I think we can safely extend that warning to anyone who would trust you at all.

[el_rlee]

you feel a 10 000 btc bet 2 days before the deadline is a serious legal obligation?

Clearly both Vlad and I do. Why else would we want the debt and use it to get Matthews assets?

You don't have a chance. It isn't worth the time. Talk to a lawyer.
If somebody promises you a Million $ to give him a blowjob would you do it and sue him afterwards if he ain't pain'?

[Herodes]

First of all, please keep it all strictly confidential if you could.

Goat. When someone sends you a pm. This is supposed to be a communication between you and that person.
And when in addition, they ask you not to tell it to anyone else, then it's imperative to keep it confidential.

If you got to know something very important that would justify that the messages went public, like 'dev xxx working with the CIA, and here's the evidence',
it could be another matter, then you'd be a whistle blower.

But in this case, you're announcing an unimportant matter, from a private discussion. This means that you can't be trusted.

Anything that anyone tells you in private, be it in person, on a forum pm, or through any other medium is not sure to be kept secret from your mouth.

This everyone should be aware of now. If you pm Goat something and he doesn't like it, or think it's justified to make it public, he will.

What you did is called back stabbing, and it erodes all trust.

"Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages."

This is correct. Due to the high level of security and privacy many bitcoiners want and expect, this message needs to be seen in light of that.
If you knew SMF, you'd know that everything is stored in a database. This means that anyone with access to said data may potentially read and
copy it.

Anyone in this case, would be admins, and staff doing the physical hosting.

What the message from Theymos means, and which should be rather obvious is that PM privacy is not a 100% guarantee. But in most cases it
is completely private, so let's say that under normal circumstances it's 99.9999% sure to be kept private.

But there are ways to get out any pm of the system if you have the right access, and that's why it cannot be guaranteed. To ensure 100% privacy
for private messages they needs to be encrypted (PGP).

Theymos' message did not give you a get go to abandon what's considered customary among businessmen and traders, that means to keep
messages internal, esp. so when it's asked that you keep it secret.

Seems the forum policy is that PM are personal messages and not private messages.

When you receive a personal message, you expect this to be a private message for you. You don't post all your received pm's publicly in the forum,
because they're your private pm's. Private or personal, doesn't matter. PM's you receive are intended only for the receiver(s).
You're not putting forth a good argument here.

Theymos had made it clear they can be posted. I felt it necessary to protect other debt holders who plan to go after Matthews limited assets.

So when Theymos said: "Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.", you came to the conclusion that PM's can be posted ?

How are you protecting anyone at this point ?

Vladimir is a business man, and as we all know, in business you can't be the 'nice guy' to be successfull. I don't think you should be an outright criminal,
but when some business men for whatever reason back off, some others see their chance to get in.

Seems like this situation only hurt yourself Goat. Perhaps at this point, it should be time to shut up, and if you're serious about getting any money
back from whatever party, consult a lawyer and the police. Yapping at the forum doesn't bring you anywhere in this regard.

What I've established now is that you first ran a PPT, then you divulge private information. So it seems that you lack some morality and business ethics,
which again makes me do not want to do business with you at any point.

[Monster Tent]

you feel a 10 000 btc bet 2 days before the deadline is a serious legal obligation?

Clearly both Vlad and I do. Why else would we want the debt and use it to get Matthews assets?

You don't have a chance. It isn't worth the time. Talk to a lawyer.
If somebody promises you a Million $ to give him a blowjob would you do it and sue him afterwards if he ain't pain'?

First he has to make  a post asking the community to send him donations to sue Vlad  

[JoelKatz]

You don't have a chance. It isn't worth the time. Talk to a lawyer.
If somebody promises you a Million $ to give him a blowjob would you do it and sue him afterwards if he ain't pain'?

I don't think this is about law. For Vlad, I think this about his personal code of ethics. He believes that Matthew is responsible for his debt and he believes that he is responsible for amounts he owes Matthew. He sees it as personal justice to use the debt Matthew doesn't honor to pay off the debt he feels he personally has to honor. At least, that's my guess. If so, I think that's pretty awesome and speaks to Vladimir's character.

[the_thing]

Many people do trust me.

Good one!

[el_rlee]

you feel a 10 000 btc bet 2 days before the deadline is a serious legal obligation?

Clearly both Vlad and I do. Why else would we want the debt and use it to get Matthews assets?

Vlad thinks it's worth 2 year subscriptions of a magazine - whats your estimation?

[el_rlee]

you feel a 10 000 btc bet 2 days before the deadline is a serious legal obligation?

Clearly both Vlad and I do. Why else would we want the debt and use it to get Matthews assets?

Vlad thinks it's worth 2 year subscriptions of a magazine - whats your estimation?

We are looking into it. In Korea digital money is just as valid as fiat and they are pretty strict about debt (they will literally seize what you have and deport you). However the issue we are unclear about is if we can sue for a gambling debt. Because Matthew came into debt cuz he was gambling it might be tricky. This type of gambling in Korea might be illegal so who knows.

Anyway at this time I think the debt is worth more than a few mags.

please keep the community updated about your lawyers costs, that could be entertaining... have fun with the Koreans!

[flower1024]

Anyway at this time I think the debt is worth more than a few mags.

do you want to buy my MNW debt about 100btc?
just pm me an offer...

[conspirosphere.tk]

Anyway at this time I think the debt is worth more than a few mags.

So you might be interested in buying my 50 BTC bet with Matthew (made on August 22) at a 70% discount?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101751.msg1122860#msg1122860

[ArticMine]

So what did Vlad do that is wrong?  Matt indicated he had cut including ownership of BitTalk.  Guess that was yet another lie made by Matt. If Vlad uses his defaulted obligations as leverage to boost him from the company before he does anymore damage I don't see a problem with it.

Honestly I am not sure what the problem is?  Matt hasn't repaid the debt because he feels nobody is in a posistion to collect.  Vlad believes he is in a posistion to collect. Selling debt to "stronger hands" happens all the time, everyday, all around the world.   Vlad likely wants Matt far far away from the company he is a part owner.  Can you honestly blame him?  Matt has already done significant damage and if it comes out later that Matt still owns a significant stake that will be another blow to the company.   Obviously depsite his "apology" Matt is looking to play hardball and Vlad see his debt as a method to gain leverage.   It is called "big boy business".


Also Goat  posting PM publicly?  They are called PRIVATE Messages for a reason.  Nobody is saying it is criminal but it is downright scummy.  Your actions indicate you don't care if a conversation is private you are just going to violate that privacy when you feel like it.   Kinda sends a message that nobody should ever do business with you and nobody should ever tell you anything in confidence.

TL/DR:  "snitches get stitches"  j/k

This misses a very critical legal point. Does BitTalk and Vlad have right of offset on Matt's debt? If I were in Vlad's position I would be getting legal advice pronto. Seriously. Otherwise Matt could potentially bankrupt BitTalk over this.

[SgtSpike]

So what did Vlad do that is wrong?  Matt indicated he had cut including ownership of BitTalk.  Guess that was yet another lie made by Matt. If Vlad uses his defaulted obligations as leverage to boost him from the company before he does anymore damage I don't see a problem with it.

Honestly I am not sure what the problem is?  Matt hasn't repaid the debt because he feels nobody is in a posistion to collect.  Vlad believes he is in a posistion to collect. Selling debt to "stronger hands" happens all the time, everyday, all around the world.   Vlad likely wants Matt far far away from the company he is a part owner.  Can you honestly blame him?  Matt has already done significant damage and if it comes out later that Matt still owns a significant stake that will be another blow to the company.   Obviously depsite his "apology" Matt is looking to play hardball and Vlad see his debt as a method to gain leverage.   It is called "big boy business".


Also Goat  posting PM publicly?  They are called PRIVATE Messages for a reason.  Nobody is saying it is criminal but it is downright scummy.  Your actions indicate you don't care if a conversation is private you are just going to violate that privacy when you feel like it.   Kinda sends a message that nobody should ever do business with you and nobody should ever tell you anything in confidence.

TL/DR:  "snitches get stitches"  j/k

This misses a very critical legal point. Does BitTalk and Vlad have right of offset on Matt's debt? If I were in Vlad's position I would be getting legal advice pronto. Seriously. Otherwise Matt could potentially bankrupt BitTalk over this.

Maybe I'm just a noob at this, but HOW?

[FreeMoney]

I'll sell my 250BTC for 25BTC.

[drakahn]

I'll sell my 3000BTC bet for 270BTC (9% is better than 10%, buy bulk and save)