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June 17, 2015, 12:27:51 PM
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In case you were wondering why Litecoin has leapt up to ~$3, it's not just the block halving. Bitcoin itself is leaping thanks to you-know-what...

Quote from: Jemima Kelly from Reuters
Bitcoin surges as Grexit worries mount, posts best run in 18 months


Bitcoin surged by as much as 7 percent on Tuesday and was on track for its longest winning streak in 18 months, as concerns that Greece could tumble out of the euro drove speculators and Greek depositors into the decentralized digital currency.

Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras lashed out at Greece's creditors on Tuesday as he defied a string of warnings that Europe is preparing for a "Grexit". The debt-stricken country faces 1.6 billion euros ($1.8 billion) in repayments to the International Monetary Fund by the end of June.

Bitcoin, a web-based "cryptocurrency" invented six years ago, is not backed by or controlled by any government or central bank and floats freely, fluctuating according to user demand.

Though bitcoin's value has previously been highly volatile, it has stabilized over the past six months and is increasingly treated as a legitimate and potentially valuable asset by major financial institutions, and even by governments such as Britain's.

Joshua Scigala, co-founder of Vaultoro.com, a firm that holds bitcoin for its customers and allows them to exchange it for gold and vice versa, said that Greeks were buying the currency as their trust in the authorities waned. It is also unclear what currency would be used if a Grexit does occur -- another potential factor driving Greek demand for bitcoin....

In March-April 2013 bitcoin's value shot up by almost 700 percent in just over a month, as Cyprus clamped down on withdrawals and seized deposits, rattling faith in fiat currencies.....

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/16/us-eurozone-greece-bitcoin-idUSKBN0OW2DS20150616

So...if your favourite alt is stable in satoshis, it's being pulled up in fiat terms by the Big BTC. If it's up in terms of satoshis, you're getting the benefit of a little upside leverage. Grin

More on the ever-'evolving' Grecian mess:

Quote from: Selios Buras from the Wall Street Journal
Greek Central Bank Warns of ‘Uncontrollable Crisis’ if Bailout Talks Fail

Report warns of deep recession if deal cannot be reached with creditors

ATHENS—Greece’s central bank warned Wednesday that failure to clinch a deal with international creditors on its future funding needs could lead the country into an “uncontrollable crisis,” describing the issue as being of historical significance for the nation.

The  Bank of Greece ’s report amounts to an appeal to Greece’s government and its international creditors to overcome the differences between them, which the bank suggests are not unbridgeable in terms of the fiscal numbers.

But the conflict between Greece’s government and its lenders has become politically charged, with both sides deeply mistrustful of the other and neither willing to give ground.

“Failure to reach an agreement would... mark the beginning of a painful course that would lead initially to a Greek default and ultimately to the country’s exit from the euro area and—most likely—from the European Union,” the report said.

“A manageable debt crisis, as the one that we are currently addressing with the help of our partners, would snowball into an uncontrollable crisis, with great risks for the banking system and financial stability.”

All this would imply deep recession, a dramatic decline in income levels, an exponential rise in unemployment and a collapse of all that the Greek economy has achieved over the years of its EU, and especially its euro area, membership, the report added....

http://www.wsj.com/articles/greek-central-bank-warns-of-uncontrollable-crisis-if-bailout-talks-fail-1434531570



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June 17, 2015, 12:36:13 PM
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Another common theory is China is ending leveraged stock trading, so instead people will be doing leveraged crypto trading.   Grin


The thing about Cyprus then and Greece now is no one in that region is actually buying BTC - they're not exactly the most technological people and there isn't that many of them and they definitely didn't pile on BTC in the last days.  It's all speculators speculating on news that's happening in an area of the world they've never been to or only briefly whilst on vacation.

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June 17, 2015, 12:46:03 PM
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I don't think it's necessarily because of the situation in Greece. Seems pretty speculative in my opinion. People always look for something to pin the reason for the move but usually they're probably way off base or are just making grand assumptions based on little to no evidence.
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June 17, 2015, 12:51:41 PM
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The thing about Cyprus then and Greece now is no one in that region is actually buying BTC - they're not exactly the most technological people and there isn't that many of them and they definitely didn't pile on BTC in the last days.  It's all speculators speculating on news that's happening in an area of the world they've never been to or only briefly whilst on vacation.

This. It's speculators reveling in a potential bank-fail scenario. Not Greece stocking up.
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June 17, 2015, 01:57:28 PM
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This. It's speculators reveling in a potential bank-fail scenario. Not Greece stocking up.

+1 when the whole banking and fiat system is at risk it gets people looking at alternatives like crypto, gold and silver.
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June 17, 2015, 05:16:23 PM
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Makes sense.
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Literally. Get out of the EU. Best thing Greece could do. F 'em.
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June 18, 2015, 09:57:39 AM
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Well, I read in my homeland mainstream media article in economy section about Greece buying lot of BTC. So I guess its not just speculators. Based on that article amount of IP adresses buying BTC from Greece grew 120% in last days.

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June 18, 2015, 11:22:59 AM
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Makes sense.
Go Greece Go.
Literally. Get out of the EU. Best thing Greece could do. F 'em.


Yes seem like Greece is out of EU and Cyprus on visit in Russia this can be coincident is it. Also most of EU members wont Greece bankruptcy so its only way for them.



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June 18, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
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Well, I read in my homeland mainstream media article in economy section about Greece buying lot of BTC. So I guess its not just speculators. Based on that article amount of IP adresses buying BTC from Greece grew 120% in last days.

120% increase is still rather low.. If say 1000 people bought btc before, it is still only 2200 now.. Would expect more people buying bitcoin rather than the expensive cars they are apparently buying as an investment now.
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June 18, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
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Well, I read in my homeland mainstream media article in economy section about Greece buying lot of BTC. So I guess its not just speculators. Based on that article amount of IP adresses buying BTC from Greece grew 120% in last days.

Thanks for passing that along. The rest of us were just guessing. Smiley






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June 19, 2015, 06:33:50 PM
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Greece is far better off joining up with BRICS and taking whatever assistance Russia may offer.
IMF purpose to rape and pillage nations. No good could ever come from farther negotiations with them or the EU.
If Germany would pay Greece what it owes in WWII reparations than none of this would have ever have happened. Greece can't be blamed for destroying the EU, only Germany and the IMF.
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