Staff member dserrano5 promoting scam - should he remain with default trust?

[entertainment]

dserrano5 shouldn't be part of the staff of Bitcointalk.

He is a really really bad moderator, I'm spanish and his labour as moderator is totally unacceptable. He feels the boss of the spanish subforum, his behaviour is totally opposite to Bitcoin philosophy.

Btw, I remember he was against advertising signature campaigns and look at him now... Even selling his picture to a scam website. Ridiculous.

[sdmathis]

Being staff means that I've been entrusted to keep a specific part of this forum from derailing. Staff aren't counsellors.

Being staff means that you represent the forum. By promoting a ponzi, you've not only sold yourself out for a pittance. You've also the forum out.

[redsn0w]

Yes I think he should be removed from the default trust list but not from his position of 'staff member', this was only my personal opinion (and it is obvious that someone will not agree with me ).

[GannickusX]

Is the proof of cloudthink.io being a scam strong enough to accuse dserrano like this?
Also, if dadice turned out to be a scam (which it isn't, but just giving an example) and im promoting it with my signature and avatar, I would've been still be promoting it until I realized because im not checking every single thread daily.. it could have been 1 month+ more until I see it.. so if someone makes a thread accusing X campaign of a scam, I wouldn't know, so during that time one wouldn't be liable for it, because you think you are promoting something legit. The difference is tho, dserrano has already seen that thread with the supposed proof, but he seems to genuinely think what he is promoting isn't a scam..

But cloudthink is 99% scam, he never said he thinks what he is promoting is not a scam, as seen in this thread he just doesnt give a shit, have you even seen the admin of cloduthink trust? Last time i saw it, it was at -64. He just shouldnt advertise anything that its more than just likely to be a scam, he was even inviting other people to join the campaign therefore making people think cloudthink is a good site.

[ticoti]

Moderation in spanish subforum is a real shit,


They think they are god and they go every thread making stupid corrections to people and erasing posts I don't think they should erase

They should have been kicked a long time ago

[cakir]

Some of moderators are promoting gambling websites which is illegal in lots of countries.
If you're "idiot enough" to invest in ponzis does it matter who promotes it? Ponzis are kinda gambling for most of people; They're investing ponzis consciously.
I don't see any problem for a mod to promote some shit.

[Mitchell]

entertainment and ticoti, his moderation skills aren't being questioned in this thread. If you don't agree with what he does and how he does it, please make a thread about it or send Theymos/Badbear a message. It's off-topic in here.

[escalicha]

He is as stupid as he can on spanish section.
He feel like a god for be Mod on bitcointalk,

In my opinion, Theymos need to kick him to have the spanish section more friendly but he have too many work with the new forum...

The moderation, and specific Dserrano5 is fucking the spanish section.

As user, is stupid too, but less that when he post as a moderator


Futhermore, he sell himself promotic a scam for few satoshis

[atleticofa_hacked]

entertainment and ticoti, his moderation skills aren't being questioned in this thread. If you don't agree with what he does and how he does it, please make a thread about it or send Theymos/Badbear a message. It's off-topic in here.

A message to Theymos/Badbear? That's a good joke. I have sent them around 7 messages each one about my hacked account with signed proofs of ownership, and link to my topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877377.msg9688652#msg9688652

I didn't get a single answer from them. If they don't answered me I really doubt they answer someone for a Mod complain...

[Xian01]

If could be argued your prominent shilling is, in itself, derailing.

The burden is on you to prove that accusation. Best of luck…

There's no burden at all. It's right there as your avatar.

[redsn0w]

But it is really strange, why a staff member should promote a 'scam' site? This is really a no-sense thing.... I think there is a second reason behind his choice to promote that site (not only for a few satoshi).

[shorena]

But it is really strange, why a staff member should promote a 'scam' site? This is really a no-sense thing.... I think there is a second reason behind his choice to promote that site (not only for a few satoshi).

I dont see a reason for a big disussion here though. dserrano5 is basically saying: "Im doing nothing wrong", so just remove him from your trust list

Code:

~dserrano5

and be done with it. Its not like they have that much feedback to make a big difference. Its also probably worth to take a look at those on dserrano5's trustlist and deceide whether you want to add them to your trustlist or not.

Code:

        sirius
        theymos
        Gavin Andresen
        nanotube
        casascius
        Luke-Jr
        dooglus
        grue
        Maged
        gmaxwell
        Kluge
        majamalu
        tysat
        piuk
        jackjack
        yxt
        aigeezer
        BadBear
        vgo
        Dabs
        DannyHamilton
        Carlton Banks
        LuisCar
        ioxoi

[redsn0w]

But it is really strange, why a staff member should promote a 'scam' site? This is really a no-sense thing.... I think there is a second reason behind his choice to promote that site (not only for a few satoshi).

I dont see a reason for a big disussion here though. dserrano5 is basically saying: "Im doing nothing wrong", so just remove him from your trust list

Code:

~dserrano5

and be done with it. Its not like they have that much feedback to make a big difference. Its also probably worth to take a look at those on dserrano5's trustlist and deceide whether you want to add them to your trustlist or not.

Code:

        sirius
        theymos
        Gavin Andresen
        nanotube
        casascius
        Luke-Jr
        dooglus
        grue
        Maged
        gmaxwell
        Kluge
        majamalu
        tysat
        piuk
        jackjack
        yxt
        aigeezer
        BadBear
        vgo
        Dabs
        DannyHamilton
        Carlton Banks
        LuisCar
        ioxoi

Done ! However we are discussing that he should be removed from the DefaultTrust (user) so theymos should remove him directly, without the use of this *trick from us (*~dserrano5). He is (probbly) not doing anything of wrong, but promote with your avatar + personal message a probable scam site it is not a good thing (especially from a 2-defaultTrust user staff member).

[vgo]

dserrano5 shouldn't be part of the staff of Bitcointalk.

He is a really really bad moderator, I'm spanish and his labour as moderator is totally unacceptable. He feels the boss of the spanish subforum, his behaviour is totally opposite to Bitcoin philosophy.

Btw, I remember he was against advertising signature campaigns and look at him now... Even selling his picture to a scam website. Ridiculous.

Moderation in spanish subforum is a real shit,


They think they are god and they go every thread making stupid corrections to people and erasing posts I don't think they should erase

They should have been kicked a long time ago

He is as stupid as he can on spanish section.
He feel like a god for be Mod on bitcointalk,

The moderation, and specific Dserrano5 is fucking the spanish section.

As user, is stupid too, but less that when he post as a moderator


Futhermore, he sell himself promotic a scam for few satoshis

[Amitabh S]

Its ok if he is a legendary member
Its kind of ok if he is a staff member. In my books its a no no.
Its NOT ok if he is on the default trust list.

I personally don't use the default trust list (~DefaultTrust) so I should not be affected.

[--Encrypted--]

Its ok if he is a legendary member
Its kind of ok if he is a staff member. In my books its a no no.
Its NOT ok if he is on the default trust list.

I personally don't use the default trust list (~DefaultTrust) so I should not be affected.

it's not ok for any level of member to promote obvious ponzi. and I don't think excluding DefaultTrust does anything cuz I just tried it and I still see greens actually, it seemed to have worked... but excluding dserrano5 alone should do for now

[qwk]

I dont see a reason for a big disussion here though. dserrano5 is basically saying: "Im doing nothing wrong", so just remove him from your trust list

Code:

~dserrano5

That's not the same.
Removing him from your trust list like this will only make you ignore his trust feedback for others and ignore his respective trust list, both of which might still be valuable for you.
If you specifically no longer trust him personally for what he's doing, and/or you want to warn others about his behavior, you should give him a negative trust rating yourself.

[Xialla]

you should give him a negative trust rating yourself.

give negative trust rating to staff member with 1level DT? sorry, don't wanna to ruin my acc here..

edit: omg, I just realized, how this trust system is sick.

[erpbridge]

I haven't read through the entire discussion but I think that he shouldn't be advertising it for one main reason. All people who are new to investing and cloudmining may see that a staff member here has its avatar or signature . Most of the times they would likely not doubt it and without doing any research might just invest in it. This also happened in the past with a dice site where people invested because some trusted member had its signature. But ultimately the site went down and had scammed.

I don't think the solution is to remove him from the trust list or the staff position. But have theymos request him to remove the advertising as it may lead to people losing money on a clear scam.

[sdmathis]

you should give him a negative trust rating yourself.

give negative trust rating to staff member with 1level DT? sorry, don't wanna to ruin my acc here..

edit: omg, I just realized, how this trust system is sick.

I never realized it until now, but you're right. This trust system is sick.