MARS one on 2025

[ridery99]

there will be too many wars in the near future, no money for any mars missions

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[Vod]

I think that the current plan is to generate the electricity from solar energy, using panels. Operating a nuclear power plant in Mars will be next to impossible, as doing so will require huge quantities of coolants and other substances, which are not readily available on the planet.

I would think the vacuum of space (or a low density atmosphere) would be the ultimate coolant.

Heat transfer occurs by way of conduction, convection, or radiation.  In the absence of much gas, convection isn't possible, and it is the most efficient way to move heat.  As an example, spacecraft have trouble getting rid of heat.  The Apollo lunar rovers IIRC used paraffin blocks to absorb heat in a phase change method.   Difficult problem, getting rid of heat.

Yes, I thought about this last night as I was falling asleep and you are correct.  You would need close to absolute zero and be in a thick gas - which tend to contradict each other.

[Spendulus]

I think that the current plan is to generate the electricity from solar energy, using panels. Operating a nuclear power plant in Mars will be next to impossible, as doing so will require huge quantities of coolants and other substances, which are not readily available on the planet.

I would think the vacuum of space (or a low density atmosphere) would be the ultimate coolant.

Heat transfer occurs by way of conduction, convection, or radiation.  In the absence of much gas, convection isn't possible, and it is the most efficient way to move heat.  As an example, spacecraft have trouble getting rid of heat.  The Apollo lunar rovers IIRC used paraffin blocks to absorb heat in a phase change method.   Difficult problem, getting rid of heat.

Yes, I thought about this last night as I was falling asleep and you are correct.  You would need close to absolute zero and be in a thick gas - which tend to contradict each other.

Regardless, I am certain we are going to Mars.   It isn't really important whether it is in 25 years or 250 years.  Man has always found it to be a mysterious and intriguing place, and it must have a place in our future.

The Moon may be for our robots only, and Mars is certainly not Tahiti. 

But we'll be there.

[PaoloSerBit]

There's no certainty of going to Mars any time, not even in those 250 years. For example, we could have nuclear bomb next year and we could guess the humanity would never return to the state of being able to travel into extraterrestial.

[OBAViJEST]

It's sad really, we could all be flying around in space if it weren't for humanity being a dumbass, fighting each other, destroying their cradle (Earth)...

[Vod]

It's sad really, we could all be flying around in space if it weren't for humanity being a dumbass, fighting each other, destroying their cradle (Earth)...

Not could - would.

The dark ages lasted for about 700 years (roughly the 6th to 13th centuries) where there was no scientific research and everyone believed in a god.

We would be colonizing the nearest stars by now if the dark ages hadn't existed.

[Vod]

Guys wtf are you talking about they have already been caught and sentenced:

http://www.thephoenixnews.com/2015/03/news-briefs-two-calgary-men-found-guilty-of-running-largest-ponzi-scheme-in-canadian-history-mars-one-group-announces-last-100-candidates-for-mission-to-mars/

It was a ponzi scam.

Why is their web site still up, asking for donations?

http://www.mars-one.com/

[Furio]

Guys wtf are you talking about they have already been caught and sentenced:

http://www.thephoenixnews.com/2015/03/news-briefs-two-calgary-men-found-guilty-of-running-largest-ponzi-scheme-in-canadian-history-mars-one-group-announces-last-100-candidates-for-mission-to-mars/

It was a ponzi scam.

Read the article again,, those guys posed as mars one, they werent the real organizers...

[dothebeats]

It's sad really, we could all be flying around in space if it weren't for humanity being a dumbass, fighting each other, destroying their cradle (Earth)...

Not could - would.

The dark ages lasted for about 700 years (roughly the 6th to 13th centuries) where there was no scientific research and everyone believed in a god.

We would be colonizing the nearest stars by now if the dark ages hadn't existed.

That could be a possibility. Imagine how technology evolved rapidly since the invention of steam engines in the 1600s? In just a span of 400 + years, here we are now, having the modern tech laid before us. Only if those people back then didn't delay scientific advancements, imagine what kind of technology would we have right now? We could have set up colonies in different star systems by now if not because of those close-minded religious dudes believing that science is the work of demons and is only a way to distance Man from God.

[Vod]

In just a span of 400 + years, here we are now, having the modern tech laid before us.

You just need to look at the past 50+ years!  Look how far we've come since 1960!

It's said the human race learns more each year than all the years previous put together.

[Abdias]

Looking forward to hearing about it but very scared at the same time. I can imagine some bad things happening if the people are not prepared properly if you can prepare for it. they'll be alone and very homesick

[Lauda]

You just need to look at the past 50+ years!  Look how far we've come since 1960!

It's said the human race learns more each year than all the years previous put together.

I concur. The developments in the last 50 years definitely outweigh the years before that. I wonder how much things are going to change between 2015 and 2050. Hopefully humanity will be able to colonize Mars by then (if this mission and similar ones don't work out). I think that with more money being invested in R&D we would be able to do these things much faster. However, most humans are not interested in development but rather enjoyment (hedonistic lifestyle). If it weren't for the few individuals in the past, the development would have been tens of times slower.

[Spendulus]

It's sad really, we could all be flying around in space if it weren't for humanity being a dumbass, fighting each other, destroying their cradle (Earth)...

Not could - would.

The dark ages lasted for about 700 years (roughly the 6th to 13th centuries) where there was no scientific research and everyone believed in a god.

We would be colonizing the nearest stars by now if the dark ages hadn't existed.

That could be a possibility. Imagine how technology evolved rapidly since the invention of steam engines in the 1600s? In just a span of 400 + years, here we are now, having the modern tech laid before us. Only if those people back then didn't delay scientific advancements, imagine what kind of technology would we have right now? We could have set up colonies in different star systems by now if not because of those close-minded religious dudes believing that science is the work of demons and is only a way to distance Man from God.

I am not certain this is true.  The dark ages may have been a necessary prelude to the explosion of science, knowledge and philosophy we call the Renaissance.  Something like night and day, winter and summer.  Maybe.

And it's certainly not accurate to suggest that pre-microscope, pre-telescope, people were close minded.  They just couldn't SEE THINGS.  Were you or I there now, we would be certain of "Rational and Logical Thinking" which led to conclusions that are now thought of as ridiculous.

Back to the subject, note the phrase "Colonizing Mars" is a hugely different thing than saying "Making one trip to Mars."  There's nothing wrong with considering 250 years as a reasonable timeframe for "Colonizing Mars."  And with the highly productive robotic rovers, we are doing a great job towards advancing such goals.  But much very basic stuff remains to be understood.

Further and prime most, I suggest that when this exploration and colonization happens, they will be using Bitcoin.

[BADecker]

It's sad really, we could all be flying around in space if it weren't for humanity being a dumbass, fighting each other, destroying their cradle (Earth)...

Not could - would.

The dark ages lasted for about 700 years (roughly the 6th to 13th centuries) where there was no scientific research and everyone believed in a god.

We would be colonizing the nearest stars by now if the dark ages hadn't existed.

That could be a possibility. Imagine how technology evolved rapidly since the invention of steam engines in the 1600s? In just a span of 400 + years, here we are now, having the modern tech laid before us. Only if those people back then didn't delay scientific advancements, imagine what kind of technology would we have right now? We could have set up colonies in different star systems by now if not because of those close-minded religious dudes believing that science is the work of demons and is only a way to distance Man from God.

I am not certain this is true.  The dark ages may have been a necessary prelude to the explosion of science, knowledge and philosophy we call the Renaissance.  Something like night and day, winter and summer.  Maybe.

And it's certainly not accurate to suggest that pre-microscope, pre-telescope, people were close minded.  They just couldn't SEE THINGS.  Were you or I there now, we would be certain of "Rational and Logical Thinking" which led to conclusions that are now thought of as ridiculous.

Back to the subject, note the phrase "Colonizing Mars" is a hugely different thing than saying "Making one trip to Mars."  There's nothing wrong with considering 250 years as a reasonable timeframe for "Colonizing Mars."  And with the highly productive robotic rovers, we are doing a great job towards advancing such goals.  But much very basic stuff remains to be understood.

Further and prime most, I suggest that when this exploration and colonization happens, they will be using Bitcoin.

Not only will they be using Bitcoin (or what bitcoin develops into with the advent to household, quantum computers), but government as we know it will be a thing of the past. There won't be any IRS. There won't be any police-brutality-plague. People will rule themselves under common law, based on if they harm or injure anybody.

Probably, there won't be any petrodollar, business people who rule the world. Things will be free and just. Mars missions will be based on individuals doing thier thing in the Mars program, based on volunteer giving to a company that doesn't have any government red tape, and that operates freely for those who donate. In fact, it will be the people who donate that will be making the decisions... based on real value donations, rather than on some fake fiat donations of a debt system that is bank controlled.

Courts will only be there to help sort out issues between people. Corporate veils will be bypassed in man to man court issues... even corporate veils regarding the defrauding scheme of the current Mars program being talked about in this thread.

There will be real value for value in the Mars program.

[Spendulus]

It's sad really, we could all be flying around in space if it weren't for humanity being a dumbass, fighting each other, destroying their cradle (Earth)...

Not could - would.

The dark ages lasted for about 700 years (roughly the 6th to 13th centuries) where there was no scientific research and everyone believed in a god.

We would be colonizing the nearest stars by now if the dark ages hadn't existed.

That could be a possibility. Imagine how technology evolved rapidly since the invention of steam engines in the 1600s? In just a span of 400 + years, here we are now, having the modern tech laid before us. Only if those people back then didn't delay scientific advancements, imagine what kind of technology would we have right now? We could have set up colonies in different star systems by now if not because of those close-minded religious dudes believing that science is the work of demons and is only a way to distance Man from God.

I am not certain this is true.  The dark ages may have been a necessary prelude to the explosion of science, knowledge and philosophy we call the Renaissance.  Something like night and day, winter and summer.  Maybe.

And it's certainly not accurate to suggest that pre-microscope, pre-telescope, people were close minded.  They just couldn't SEE THINGS.  Were you or I there now, we would be certain of "Rational and Logical Thinking" which led to conclusions that are now thought of as ridiculous.

Back to the subject, note the phrase "Colonizing Mars" is a hugely different thing than saying "Making one trip to Mars."  There's nothing wrong with considering 250 years as a reasonable timeframe for "Colonizing Mars."  And with the highly productive robotic rovers, we are doing a great job towards advancing such goals.  But much very basic stuff remains to be understood.

Further and prime most, I suggest that when this exploration and colonization happens, they will be using Bitcoin.

Not only will they be using Bitcoin (or what bitcoin develops into with the advent to household, quantum computers), but government as we know it will be a thing of the past. There won't be any IRS. There won't be any police-brutality-plague. People will rule themselves under common law, based on if they harm or injure anybody.

Probably, there won't be any petrodollar, business people who rule the world. Things will be free and just. Mars missions will be based on individuals doing thier thing in the Mars program, based on volunteer giving to a company that doesn't have any government red tape, and that operates freely for those who donate. In fact, it will be the people who donate that will be making the decisions... based on real value donations, rather than on some fake fiat donations of a debt system that is bank controlled.

Courts will only be there to help sort out issues between people. Corporate veils will be bypassed in man to man court issues... even corporate veils regarding the defrauding scheme of the current Mars program being talked about in this thread.

There will be real value for value in the Mars program.

Why, a verfitable UTOPIA awaits us...only it must battle for supremacy with the Christian utopia, the Islam utopia, the Communist utopia and hundreds of others.

Why should I believe in YOURS?

This is all backwards.  You should believe in MINE.  MINE is BESTEST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSGuBNopzBw

And you can TRUST ME.  Course right now, things be looking pretty bad and getting badder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meCZ5hWNRFU

And we ain't gonna colonize that Mars until we knows how to make fiddles thar, out of that dirt or something.

[BADecker]

It's sad really, we could all be flying around in space if it weren't for humanity being a dumbass, fighting each other, destroying their cradle (Earth)...

Not could - would.

The dark ages lasted for about 700 years (roughly the 6th to 13th centuries) where there was no scientific research and everyone believed in a god.

We would be colonizing the nearest stars by now if the dark ages hadn't existed.

That could be a possibility. Imagine how technology evolved rapidly since the invention of steam engines in the 1600s? In just a span of 400 + years, here we are now, having the modern tech laid before us. Only if those people back then didn't delay scientific advancements, imagine what kind of technology would we have right now? We could have set up colonies in different star systems by now if not because of those close-minded religious dudes believing that science is the work of demons and is only a way to distance Man from God.

I am not certain this is true.  The dark ages may have been a necessary prelude to the explosion of science, knowledge and philosophy we call the Renaissance.  Something like night and day, winter and summer.  Maybe.

And it's certainly not accurate to suggest that pre-microscope, pre-telescope, people were close minded.  They just couldn't SEE THINGS.  Were you or I there now, we would be certain of "Rational and Logical Thinking" which led to conclusions that are now thought of as ridiculous.

Back to the subject, note the phrase "Colonizing Mars" is a hugely different thing than saying "Making one trip to Mars."  There's nothing wrong with considering 250 years as a reasonable timeframe for "Colonizing Mars."  And with the highly productive robotic rovers, we are doing a great job towards advancing such goals.  But much very basic stuff remains to be understood.

Further and prime most, I suggest that when this exploration and colonization happens, they will be using Bitcoin.

Not only will they be using Bitcoin (or what bitcoin develops into with the advent to household, quantum computers), but government as we know it will be a thing of the past. There won't be any IRS. There won't be any police-brutality-plague. People will rule themselves under common law, based on if they harm or injure anybody.

Probably, there won't be any petrodollar, business people who rule the world. Things will be free and just. Mars missions will be based on individuals doing thier thing in the Mars program, based on volunteer giving to a company that doesn't have any government red tape, and that operates freely for those who donate. In fact, it will be the people who donate that will be making the decisions... based on real value donations, rather than on some fake fiat donations of a debt system that is bank controlled.

Courts will only be there to help sort out issues between people. Corporate veils will be bypassed in man to man court issues... even corporate veils regarding the defrauding scheme of the current Mars program being talked about in this thread.

There will be real value for value in the Mars program.

Why, a verfitable UTOPIA awaits us...only it must battle for supremacy with the Christian utopia, the Islam utopia, the Communist utopia and hundreds of others.

Why should I believe in YOURS?

This is all backwards.  You should believe in MINE.  MINE is BESTEST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSGuBNopzBw

And you can TRUST ME.  Course right now, things be looking pretty bad and getting badder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meCZ5hWNRFU

And we ain't gonna colonize that Mars until we knows how to make fiddles thar, out of that dirt or something.

Utopia? You actually believe in an utopia?

People are waking up. Pete Hendrickson of http://www.losthorizons.com/index.html has shown people how to get $billions back from the IRS and FICA. The people have done it, to the tune of $billions. And more and more people are waking up to it all the time. Here's the gist of it.

The only time the IRS comes after a person for taxes is when they are informed by someone that taxable income was earned. The method used for informing the IRS is essentially hearsay.

The most common method whereby the IRS is informed of such is through a Form W-2 hearsay form. This form is almost always sent to the IRS by an employer. The form states that the employee made a certain amount of gross income or income during a specified period. But, the employer never goes to court and states under oath that such monetary reimbursements-for-work are income or gross income. It is hearsay.

What would you do if your employer made a genuine mistake on your W-2? Let's say that you made $10,000 for a particular year. Let's say that your employer says that you made $100,000 by accident. You need to write to your employer and tell him of his mistake, and ask him to correct it with an amended W-2. If your employer will not, you must use an IRS Form 4852 to correct the mistake yourself and send this in to the IRS with your tax form.

What to do when your employer sends YOUR W-2 to the IRS? Send a letter to your employer asking him to change your income or gross income on an amended W-2 to $0.00, and send that to the IRS in place of the original. When he doesn't, use the Form 4852 to do it yourself (set your income or gross income reported to $0.00), then file your 1040 with $0.00 income earned, and get all your withheld money, including FICA (Social Security tax), back from the IRS. Look at all the folks who got their money back using this method - http://www.losthorizons.com/BulletinBoard.htm.

Your employer's original W-2 that he sends in is hearsay. Rebut the hearsay with your own hearsay, and get all your money back.

This is exactly the thing that government attacks everyone for, hearsay. There is virtually nothing else that government or law enforcement attacks anyone for, especially when there is no harm or damage of property done. It is all hearsay. And when you don't rebut it properly in court, you lose.

Learn about Karl Lentz now, before government comes after you for the hearsay of breathing incorrectly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

Maybe we will start to get to an utopia, when enough people start to wake up.

[Ditto]

2025

China will have barely won the world war that devastates the earth. Martian colonists are on their own.

Idk man. I'd like to think humanity deserves a little more faith than that.

[BADecker]

2025

China will have barely won the world war that devastates the earth. Martian colonists are on their own.

Idk man. I'd like to think humanity deserves a little more faith than that.

Of course. Of course. Humanity DOES have a little more faith than that, but very little.

Look at a football game. Somebody has faith in one team. Somebody else has faith in the other team. Is it faith that makes a certain team win? Perhaps. What about war? What about world war?

The faith that wins is God's faith. His faith is the thing that makes it all happen. And He responds to the faith of His people more than anybody else. In fact, He is the reason for America, His faith that He used to respond to early Americans that had faith in Him. And it is His anger against much of America, now, for their lack of faith in Him, that is causing His faith to turn against her, in spite of all of His faithful people in her. God's faith is the faith that counts.

[Spendulus]

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What to do when your employer sends YOUR W-2 to the IRS? Send a letter to your employer asking him to change your income or gross income on an amended W-2 to $0.00, and send that to the IRS in place of the original. When he doesn't, use the Form 4852 to do it yourself (set your income or gross income reported to $0.00), then file your 1040 with $0.00 income earned, and get all your withheld money, including FICA (Social Security tax), back from the IRS. Look at all the folks who got their money back using this method - http://www.losthorizons.com/BulletinBoard.htm.

Your employer's original W-2 that he sends in is hearsay. Rebut the hearsay with your own hearsay, and get all your money back.

This is exactly the thing that government attacks everyone for, hearsay. There is virtually nothing else that government or law enforcement attacks anyone for, especially when there is no harm or damage of property done. It is all hearsay. And when you don't rebut it properly in court, you lose.

Learn about Karl Lentz now, before government comes after you for the hearsay of breathing incorrectly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

Maybe we will start to get to an utopia, when enough people start to wake up.

Sounds like plain old lying to me.

Thanks but I'll pass, and keep on paying what's due when it's due.

[cryptocoiner]

MArs-one? LOL, is this scam still active? It was obvious from the very beginning that they are not going anywhere. They don't have experience in space sphere at all. Just a bunch of losers trying to gain some money.