New and Unique BTC game | Pachinko - Come and get addicted |Start Rollin'

[subSTRATA]

this game is incredibly fun, and the 17+ BTC wagered shows it; any plan to add some statistics to your website? id like to see how much was wagered for each game tier and how much was won/lost. just a neat thing for people to look at.

There is a statistics tab near recent bets which shows stats for different boards. How many coins landed in which pocket etc. We will also add BTC won/lost etc and highest wins.

What else will be good to add in statistics please let us know.

Thanks

oh neat, I didnt even notice that; right off the bat though, first thing I noticed is that the statistics are for each end result possible; maybe adding a total statistic would be nice to see, not total for each "cup" or w/e its called, but for each tier game. something else I notice on some casinos is a "high rollers" tab for people to gawk at; adding that might be a nice touch as well.

edit: adding txid's to each game should be something to consider as well.

[subSTRATA]

has some great luck on the site earlier, I think im up about ~0.16 BTC, props to OP for making this incredibly addicting and simple game. it also seems a small bounty for making the 1000th roll has been announced in chat, looking forward to trying to snipe that 

[FanEagle]

It's very populating the people on here. I wish good luck to the owner.

[The Bitman]

Can I send multiple bets in one transaction?

[games.bit]

Can I send multiple bets in one transaction?

No multiple transaction is not supported yet but we will try to implement it asap.

[keepinquiet]

You need to understand how it works please read the earlier reply. With the algo this number is calculated. In your case 6.172 so this number decides where ball will land. If you enter this number on provably fair tab in roll results and click on simulate the ball will land always in same pocket with this number. You can enter any number  from 1 to 10 and verify. And this number is calculated with txid and server secret using the algo released.

There is a common server seed for all bets for a day. So if we change it or manipulate with it all bet results will be changed. So there is no way for us to do that.

Your total lack of either:
A) Intent on revealing your hidden information
 or
B) Utter ignorance as to why it's imperative

Leads me to the conclusion that your site is a scam, or you are woefully inexperienced enough to run a casino where other people's money is at stake.

Again, I recommend staying away from this site. I've repeatedly requested proof of provably fair, and repeatedly it's been refused, or I've been told that apparently I don't understand how provably fair works.

They are intentionally hiding information, or have no concept of what provably fair means - and are unwilling to listen when told. Either way, disaster waiting to happen.

[keepinquiet]

Never mind @games.bit this guy do this with all new casinos and then asks for money to review their codes and leave positive comments.

Show me a single instance of where I've asked money to review code and leave positve comments. You're talking out your ass. Which is how people lose money. Blind faith in people they don't know, and not only ignoring advice of others, making shit up and telling OTHERS not to listen to good advice.

Look at my post history. I blew 999dice out of the water, and since then I've been pointing out holes in casino's provably fair systems, HELPING YOU not be ripped off and stolen from.

And in my attempt to PROTECT YOU from your own apparent stupidity, you spread lies about me, putting others bitcoin at risk.

You're either absurdly ignorant, or a shill from the site posting in an attempt to hide an intentional fraud.

Hey Dooglus, you here? Curious as to his take. Or maybe he's also a good review extortionist too?

[keepinquiet]

You claim provably fair but nowhere do you explain what the current day's hashed secret is, a list of past secrets, or how the rolls are calculated.

Your "Provably Fair" tab is a joke. All it does is replay/prove that past bets have not been changed since the bet was made. Since we don't know the current hash, we can't be sure you didn't change it, and since we don't know the method used to calculate the result, you could have the ball land anywhere you want.

I'd recommend against playing here until these issues are resolved.

I have played a bit on their website (2bets) and i know how to play Pachinko, anyways and if you understand technical things you should understand by now that what OP is trying to say proves that it is provably fair iam no where connected to these people but beside this i have seen you bashing other casino threads with same pattern and asking them to review their code etc, so please stop being a self-proclaimed security tester at least where its not needed else posting your thread in the services section might help you get a business bro.  

I'll pay 10 BTC to anyone who can show me where I've asked a casino to pay me to review their code.

And are you SERIOUSLY telling me that because you know how to play a game, and because you placed 2 bets there, you trust it's provably fair even though:
A) We are NEVER shown a hash of the seed
B) We are not shown the algo used to calculate the result
and C) We are never told what the hell 6.182 means? Hey, I'm trying to help here, 6.172 could mean a win for you and a loss for me. And the site cannot prove that is not the case.

And the fact you're telling me to stop doing something where it's NOT NEEDED is exactly why scammers keep stealing your bitcoin. Because you have no clue how much it IS needed. Which is exactly why I do it, even though people like you are just throwing money at people begging to trust them.

[7bestone7]

oh wow the game is really cool and interesting, i tried it out though i lost i think i will do some more bets...

[subSTRATA]

C) We are never told what the hell 6.182 means? Hey, I'm trying to help here, 6.172 could mean a win for you and a loss for me. And the site cannot prove that is not the case.

now that I actually took a look at the verification tab, this is actually a pretty concerning question; this is probably the first issue that needs to be addressed before a "final release" is finished.

[keepinquiet]

C) We are never told what the hell 6.182 means? Hey, I'm trying to help here, 6.172 could mean a win for you and a loss for me. And the site cannot prove that is not the case.

now that I actually took a look at the verification tab, this is actually a pretty concerning question; this is probably the first issue that needs to be addressed before a "final release" is finished.

Thank you.

Your quote above is EXACTLY why I do what I do. Because almost no one actually LOOKS at the provably fair tab, and actually tries to understand it.

Listen - cryptography is complicated. Using it to gamble, and to prove how fair a system is is also complicated. I'd put money on the fact that not many here actually understand the difference between MD5, sha1, sha256, and sha512. What HMAC is. How sites that use the first 4 digits of a SHA256 hash to seed a RNG have a higher house edge than you think they do, and how fancy wording and a flashy verification tab can easily hide the ability to steal from you whenever they want.

999dice did it to me until I looked. Then they banned me. Then they changed the system in response to my calling them out - and they can still cheat.

These site owners are (usually) smart as heck, and there are three types, in general:
1) The honest guy who will see my reviews and make changes, like pocketdice has.
2) The guys who don't care and are just out to make money. They are lazy and usually ignore things, or are too stupid to see what I'm saying and then their site is hacked, or crashes, or god knows what else.
3) The scammers, who are smart, and intentionally make their system complicated, so you trust them, and they rob you blind. These are the guys who have shill accounts that support their scams and make up shit like I ask to be paid to review code. I've never asked that. I call it like I see it. If I have ambiguous questions, I PM the site owners. If the site has holes, I post. If the site ignores it, or blows it off, I have no issue stating it's dangerous to play there.

If you run a casino, and want trust, prove you are provably fair. ANYTHING less is not good enough.

[Dennis7777]

^ Your work is impressive. Work done.

Your quote above is EXACTLY why I do what I do. Because almost no one actually LOOKS at the provably fair tab, and actually tries to understand it.

Sadly, the term "almost" could be removed there.
I mean, 999dice started in Dec 2013 but no one check how their so-called provably fair system works in details, until you did that in Feb 2015.

[games.bit]

C) We are never told what the hell 6.182 means? Hey, I'm trying to help here, 6.172 could mean a win for you and a loss for me. And the site cannot prove that is not the case.

now that I actually took a look at the verification tab, this is actually a pretty concerning question; this is probably the first issue that needs to be addressed before a "final release" is finished.

There are 100 different positions and 100 different speeds with which coin is launched making a total of 10000 combinations. With transaction id and server seed and the algo shared on website a random number between 1 to 10 is generated which is for each of balls combinations.

for example 6.182 means this number is for x speed and y position of ball by which the physics engine decides the call path. And if you enter this number in roll result and click on simulate you will see the path of ball and in which pocket it lands. And from that it is easy to see if its a win or a loss.

The random number determines here that the game is provably fair ( because if you simulate the ball with number for example 1.11 the ball will land in multiplier 1.3x for bronze and it will be same every time number 1.11 is generated with txid and server seed.)

The server seed is revealed the next day as its common for each bet.

The algo to calculate the result is already on provably fair page if you care to notice. The direct link is http://pachinko.games-bit.com/algo.txt

[sbankerdemon]

You claim provably fair but nowhere do you explain what the current day's hashed secret is, a list of past secrets, or how the rolls are calculated.

Your "Provably Fair" tab is a joke. All it does is replay/prove that past bets have not been changed since the bet was made. Since we don't know the current hash, we can't be sure you didn't change it, and since we don't know the method used to calculate the result, you could have the ball land anywhere you want.

I'd recommend against playing here until these issues are resolved.

I have played a bit on their website (2bets) and i know how to play Pachinko, anyways and if you understand technical things you should understand by now that what OP is trying to say proves that it is provably fair iam no where connected to these people but beside this i have seen you bashing other casino threads with same pattern and asking them to review their code etc, so please stop being a self-proclaimed security tester at least where its not needed else posting your thread in the services section might help you get a business bro.  

I'll pay 10 BTC to anyone who can show me where I've asked a casino to pay me to review their code.

And are you SERIOUSLY telling me that because you know how to play a game, and because you placed 2 bets there, you trust it's provably fair even though:
A) We are NEVER shown a hash of the seed
B) We are not shown the algo used to calculate the result
and C) We are never told what the hell 6.182 means? Hey, I'm trying to help here, 6.172 could mean a win for you and a loss for me. And the site cannot prove that is not the case.

And the fact you're telling me to stop doing something where it's NOT NEEDED is exactly why scammers keep stealing your bitcoin. Because you have no clue how much it IS needed. Which is exactly why I do it, even though people like you are just throwing money at people begging to trust them.

Mr. provable fair expert if you might have read his earlier reply carefully and if this thing enters your shitty brain you can see he had explained with is 6.172. Its the random number generated by client seed and server seed which has to be used to simulate the roll to see where your balls are dropping...

[sbankerdemon]

And you are the same guy who posted "pussy pussy is good blah blah" in chatbox and then this site is dangerous. Are you paid? to do that?

When I looked at your account I saw you posting shit in every casino's website lol.

[subSTRATA]

what exactly determines if you get the bonus spin? I notice that sometimes I do not get the second ball for the bonus multiplier, while most of the time I do, can you offer an explanation for me?

[games.bit]

what exactly determines if you get the bonus spin? I notice that sometimes I do not get the second ball for the bonus multiplier, while most of the time I do, can you offer an explanation for me?

You might have noticed there are 6 big silver pins in board. If in a roll your coin hits any one of them you get a bonus coin. If it do not hits any bigger pin then no bonus. The probability to hit the bonus pins is 95%.

[The Bitman]

Yeah, this site doesn't look provably fair on further inspection.

I did win a bit here earlier but then managed to have 6 continuous bets of increasing size go down the 0.1x hole. That's when I checked the provably fair tab and saw the discrepancies mentioned.

Probably lost about .25BTC or so but oh well, beware guys.

[games.bit]

Yeah, this site doesn't look provably fair on further inspection.

I did win a bit here earlier but then managed to have 6 continuous bets of increasing size go down the 0.1x hole. That's when I checked the provably fair tab and saw the discrepancies mentioned.

Probably lost about .25BTC or so but oh well, beware guys.

Can you please elaborate what glitch you found in the provably fair tab? And can you please post your address here so we can see it actually happened? As I am not able to see 6 continuous 0.1x streak in database. Maybe posting the address from which you played might help.

The main post of thread is updated regarding how provably fair works. Please check. If there are still queries post here.

[The Bitman]

The contents of the provably fair tab do not give a player necessary information to verify that each roll is independently randomized. This was elaborating on above and he's correct.

I played from 1Push2GTT29vao3N2tXP7bm74wBiSS59iT. I apologize, it was 5 continous 0.1x bets. Still. All increasing size too. Just seemed weird and that's when I noticed your provably fair tab.

Please note I'm not accusing you of cheating at this point, I'm merely saying that your provably fair tab does not provide adequate info to verify games.