USA finally approves gay marriage

[freemind1]

It seems that gradually becomes civilized civilization...

[jaysabi]

Jaysabi, I know you weren't calling me an idiot. Celestio is actually the one who used that term. I was simply addressing both of you in my post because I felt there was no need for two posts. Anyway, I really don't know of any other way to address the point. I honestly have no problem with gay marriage. However, this is still the United STATES of America. We have elected officials in each state whose purpose is to represent the constituents of that state. The power to decide who can get married has now been taken away from the state and given to the federal government. Some see that as a good thing, others see it as a bad thing. Just look at the graphic posted by Beliathon and it shows the progression of states which have overturned gay marriage bans. The number was steadily increasing. Politicians are flip flops by nature and even the most conservative of governors and state legislators would eventually have had no choice but to heed the call of the people to overturn the bans. I know, it wasn't happening fast enough. But it was happening. For me, this ruling has little to do with gay marriage. The federal government is absorbing too much power. If you think the Executive branch has the best interest of the people in mind, you are wrong. Barack Obama did not support gay marriage until he figured out he could use it to his advantage to be reelected. Hillary Clinton is the same way. She is just another politician who will say anything to get elected. She doesn't care about gays or gay rights, and neither does Obama. They are all the same, they worship power at the expense of the little people. I'm glad gays have the right to get married now. But a huge door just got flung wide open. What's next?

Your point is taken, I understand the local autonomy argument. But the fact still remains, there are rights that can't be voted away, and where some states would choose to do that (e.g. where the majority in a state vote in representatives who restrict the rights of the minority), the federal government's job is to protect the rights of the minority. That's really where the debate ends in my book because there is no counter to that. The primary role of government is to protect rights, and where some states won't protect rights of certain individuals, they need to be forced to. That's not the federal government absorbing more power, that's it using the power it already possessed to force state's that are violating their primary function to recognize an individual's rights they had been unduly restricting.

[jaysabi]

I also predict 0 states, named Texas or otherwise, will try to secede over the issue of gay marriage, because I live in a world where a small percentage of people complaining about gay marriage doesn't equal a secession attempt.

Opposition to homo marriage tops 50% in many of the Southern states. The ruling by the SCOTUS will be seen by the religious conservatives as an attempt by the court to weaken their religion. That said, I don't think that suddenly everyone living there will take up arms and create a secession movement. But for sure, extremist groups will be witnessing a steep rise in their membership.

Sounds like religious conservatives need to learn the difference between civil and religious marriage.

[bryant.coleman]

Sounds like religious conservatives need to learn the difference between civil and religious marriage.

Not that simple. Most of the religious nuts oppose faggot marriage just because it is against their religion. But there are people like myself, who oppose it as my tax payer money will be used for the promotion of sodomy and the spread of HIV. If homo marriage is legalized, then they will be eligible for child benefits and tax cuts, which are now available only for the heterosexual couples.

[tonycamp]

im not even in america but in europe its also developed that law in my country and its happiness for gays well who is not stays the same but ok its a break trhought in factors of freedom and rights

[popcorn1]

jayce

i feel sorry for your kids
if they got any problems they won,t be coming to tell you about them  poor kids

Well I'm sorry if you can't understand my words. So, what do you think about this gay marriage? You support it or not? You better give your opinion about it than feel sorry for me. And, do you support it if one of your sons is a gay? Don't make any nonsense words like he can what he want or its his right to get it, just tell me what will you do honestly.

whats up with you
did you catch your son in your wifes high heels and wearing her lipstick  
and you cannot handle it

or are you gay and scared to tell your dad

right if my son told me he was gay i would say.. and what son i love you no matter what and if you need to tell me anything come and tell me if you have any problems and we will sort it out..
and don,t forget son i always love you and i am proud of you   then give him a big hug

does that answer your question
 plus if you teach your kids to love and not hate and give them a good chance at an education
they should turn out great humans
so don,t worry who they sleep with as long as no one getting hurt

[jaysabi]

Sounds like religious conservatives need to learn the difference between civil and religious marriage.

Not that simple. Most of the religious nuts oppose faggot marriage just because it is against their religion. But there are people like myself, who oppose it as my tax payer money will be used for the promotion of sodomy and the spread of HIV. If homo marriage is legalized, then they will be eligible for child benefits and tax cuts, which are now available only for the heterosexual couples.

Well those are some of the dumbest and least informed reasons yet enumerated on the topic.

[RodeoX]

Gay marriage has always been accepted by me. Glad to see an official recognition.

[seoincorporation]

USA finally approves gay marriage.  The shocking thing to me is not that it took so long for the bastion of "freedom" to make a decision on the issue, but the fact that the supreme court vote was 5-4.  That means that nearly 50% of our supreme court justices disagree with our constitutional right to freedom of religion.  I find this very worrying, but I guess after the constitution has been gutted the last 10 years or so it should not be too surprising.

Thoughts?

I think the govs. must prohibit marriage. And i'm not talking about gay marriage, i mean, any kind of marriage. We are in 2015 now, people are smarter now and we can see how marriage fail most of times. Enrol with 1 person for your life is not a good idea, life is too short to do that.   

[bryant.coleman]

http://www.maravipost.com/national/malawi-news/society/9158-robert-mugabe-derides-usa-same-sex-marriage-ruling,-asks-for-obama-s-hand-in-marriage.html

In my country this will never happen, the official stance is anti-LGBT.

I don't think that there is any country in Africa where gay marriage is legalized (with the exception of South Africa). Most of the African nations are either Christian or Muslim, and homosexuality is banned in both the religions. Also, traditional African religion and local traditions never supported homosexuality, with the exception of isolated incidents.

[jayce]

whats up with you
did you catch your son in your wifes high heels and wearing her lipstick  
and you cannot handle it

or are you gay and scared to tell your dad

right if my son told me he was gay i would say.. and what son i love you no matter what and if you need to tell me anything come and tell me if you have any problems and we will sort it out..
and don,t forget son i always love you and i am proud of you   then give him a big hug

does that answer your question
 plus if you teach your kids to love and not hate and give them a good chance at an education
they should turn out great humans
so don,t worry who they sleep with as long as no one getting hurt

Wow, I'm happy to hear that, you're best dad he ever had. Then, I hope all of you sons are gay, and guess what, it doesn't matter to you, you will accept him and his boyfriend with opened hand.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/03/gay-community-won-battles-on-marriage-but-may-be-losing-war-on-hivaids

And well, since most of users here are supporting gay marriage, I just wanna say congrats to you all, you are able to marry each other then. Come to me girls, they are gay, I'm not.

[bryant.coleman]

And well, since most of users here are supporting gay marriage, I just wanna say congrats to you all, you are able to marry each other then. Come to me girls, they are gay, I'm not.

What if all the girls turn to be Lesbians? Imagine a situation where you are the only straight guy out there. Neither the girls will find you attractive, nor the boys. May be you should travel to the Middle East and marry a camel or a goat.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/03/gay-community-won-battles-on-marriage-but-may-be-losing-war-on-hivaids

This is actually called natural selection. The reason why these homos get HIV is not because of their sexual orientation. They catch HIV, because rather than staying with one single partner, these people engage in sex with hundreds of people.

[jayce]

And well, since most of users here are supporting gay marriage, I just wanna say congrats to you all, you are able to marry each other then. Come to me girls, they are gay, I'm not.

What if all the girls turn to be Lesbians? Imagine a situation where you are the only straight guy out there. Neither the girls will find you attractive, nor the boys. May be you should travel to the Middle East and marry a camel or a goat.

Oh come on bryan, you're just ruining my hope    And I will be a priest or monk then. It's not a bad decision right?

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/03/gay-community-won-battles-on-marriage-but-may-be-losing-war-on-hivaids

This is actually called natural selection. The reason why these homos get HIV is not because of their sexual orientation. They catch HIV, because rather than staying with one single partner, these people engage in sex with hundreds of people.

If we want natural selection, so we don't need doctors or polices anymore. Let nature do what it want.

[tonycamp]

it does not tell me much but just the freedom of religion factor and personal select of sexual factor not my case of marriage into Europe but i agree like 80% with it just don't think its a even measure that affects me much.

[cmthompson22]

Even if you go against religion and say that anyone who believes in religion is crazy with going against this, there are still so many other things that are wrong. First, the Supreme Court, with the urging of the President, decided that they get to determine what marriage is. There is no right in the Constitution that states that the Supreme Court gets to make this kind of decision. In cases where it is not explicitly given to the Supreme Court to make these decisions, the decision is automatically given to the states. Many states said they did not want this. The voices of the people said they did not want this in every place it was voted on. Despite this, the Supreme Court went over states rights when it did not have the authority to do this. This alone should scare people to death that the President and the Supreme Court now get to make decisions that you have no say in. How far will this go? Maybe Obama will go for that whole third term like he keeps threatening (kidding) for the past few months.

Next, the issue of how this is being carried out since the decision is disturbing. Yes, fine, while I do not believe gay marriage is a good idea, it is now legal. It is still my right, in this free America, for me to believe that gay marriage is a bad thing. No I cannot go out and murder gay people or tar and feather them, but it is my right to say I do not like this decision. Isn’t that the whole argument the gay marriage platform was on? The right to freedom of choice? This is my choice. So why is it I am an antiquated Christian who is stupid and shouldn’t be allowed to think anything? Just because I do not believe the same thing that you do does not mean I cannot feel this way. If I have to believe the same as you all of the time, you just lost your whole platform for gay marriage.

The idea of marriage has been around for thousands of years. Are we saying that we are so much better than all of these great dynasties to say that we are the only one to do it right? Who’s to say that soon my marriage is going to count anymore? I am not gay so soon my marriage will probably not mean anything because it is against the gay marriage agenda. I believe that soon it will get to that person and my right to be married to a man as I choose is going to be wrong just because they do not like it.

So many people have already been persecuted because they go against gay marriage. A shop owner lost thousands of dollars and had to close because they did not want to put two gay people on top of a cake. I feel that was a lot about attention and money on the part of a gay couple. How hard is it to just get the cake and put your own topper on it? There is a threat that churches will lose their nonprofit status if they refuse to marry gay couples. This starts to bring the government into religion, things that even the liberals believe should stay separate in cases where religion starts to interfere with them. We will continue to fund Planned Parenthood as a nonprofit despite selling baby parts illegally and performing abortions, but priests who follow a doctrine around for thousands of years and who refuse to go against it because a few gay couples want to be in the news and claim they are in that religion, will raise a stir, will lose their nonprofit.

Even if you do not like Christian religions, think of it this way. They save you money. It is estimated that private schools, Catholic and Lutheran as well as other Christian schools, save the taxpayers over a billion dollars in taxes each year. And these parents are still paying in taxes even though their children do not attend the schools this money is going to.

The gay marriage issue as well as the issues with Planned Parenthood, as well as much else that is going on in this country, make me really nervous to see where we are going to end up in the future. Where do the personal rights end and the morals start to come back?

[panju1]

I don't think that there is any country in Africa where gay marriage is legalized (with the exception of South Africa). Most of the African nations are either Christian or Muslim, and homosexuality is banned in both the religions.

I doubt if any religion could openly endorse homosexuality.
It was virtually a taboo, until a few decades back. Most religions are older than that and they can't abruptly change their stance.

[bryant.coleman]

I doubt if any religion could openly endorse homosexuality.
It was virtually a taboo, until a few decades back. Most religions are older than that and they can't abruptly change their stance.

Well.. as far as I know, there are no religions which allow homosexuality. The world religions can be broadly divided in to two:

1. Religions which explicitly prohibit homosexuality: Islam, Christianity, Judaism.etc
2. Religions which either ignore, or don't have specific laws regarding homosexuality: Buddhism, Shintoism, Shamanism.etc