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July 05, 2015, 11:40:18 PM
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Are there any honest polls that are not designed to elicit certain responses and results?

Are there any honest polls that show what people generally think when they hear the word "gender?"
No, every poll ever created either has a pure gay agenda or a total anti-gay agenda. The world is black and white.

Simplicity is comforting, is it not?

In my opinion, people who fuss so much about gender and sexuality need to have more, or perhaps better, sex.

Quantum mechanics is all about looking at gray areas to determine the black and white dots that are too small for us to see.

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So essentially what you're saying, is that gender is biological as well as cultural/social and that gender roles are also biological. Let's look here, as you can see Gender and Gender Identity are not Biological. Hormones, genitalia, etc as you described all fall under "Sex" and not "Gender". Every single thing you've said is in relation to "Sex", not "Gender".


http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/gender-role


Definition of gender role in English:
noun

The role or behavior learned by a person as appropriate to their gender, determined by the prevailing cultural norms:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/gender%20identity

Medical Dictionary

gender identity
  
  noun
Medical Definition of GENDER IDENTITY

:  the totality of physical and behavioral traits that are designated by a culture as masculine or feminine


"Your entire premise relies on the idea that there is not only no biological basis for gender identity, and that gender identity is implanted completely by society via conditioning. The fact is that humans have TWO SEPARATE GENDERS as defined by nature and biology, not only by society. Because you believe that society is the only source of gender identity, you then abuse this premise to permit the behavior of stripping people with hetero-normative gender identities of the natural state they fall into because of BIOLOGY, not conditioning."


Except that there are more "two separate genders". Humans are not confined to having XX and XY chromosomes, there are those with less and more. There are those with both or no genitalia. And guess what? That is all biological and has nothing to do with "Gender".

Gender roles are not based upon biological factors, they are based upon societal factors.

This should be common knowledge. Go take a sociology and psychology class, maybe dabble in neurology as well, because what you're describing is all based on "sex", not "gender".

http://psychology.jrank.org/pages/575/Sex-Roles.html
https://www.boundless.com/psychology/textbooks/boundless-psychology-textbook/gender-and-sexuality-15/gender-414/gender-and-sociology-296-12831/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131694/




Sex and gender are synonyms. Again you are taking liberties redefining words. When I call you on this you move the goal posts and find new phrases that you claim support your argument by their mere existence.  There are males, there are females, and there are others, I never denied that fact. However the fact remains that the VAST MAJORITY of humans fit within male or female gender identities, and this is largely the result of biology.

"Humans are not confined to having XX and XY chromosomes, there are those with less and more. There are those with both or no genitalia. And guess what? That is all biological and has nothing to do with "Gender"."

So what your saying is because of biology, there are more than two genders, but gender has nothing to do with biology? It is amazing how much you can punish your brain with conflicting statements and still manage to believe the words you say. It must create tremendous angst via cognitive dissonance which I am sure you gleefully unleash upon anyone you judge as being below your standards for ideological perfection.

As far as your "sources" the first two were just persuasive writing, and the third was a study of the trends of studies published in a specific journal. If there are any specific studies in there you believe support your argument, please cite them. I didn't see any. I did however find this...


"Finally, the vast majority of studies addressed cognitive and socialization processes. Only one published study directly focused on biological ideas about gender development (Rodgers et al. 1998). Studies focusing on biology may have been virtually nonexistent because such articles are more likely to be published in journals that are oriented to the biological sciences, and may be due to this journal’s greater emphasis on socialization and feminist perspectives."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131694/

ONE study from this journal about biological factors related to gender. Bias much? As far as scientific method is concerned the study of only the socialization processes and not examining the biological aspects violates the requirement for the ability to have a null hypothesis, one of the primary required tenets for a study to be called science.

Sex is inextricably linked with gender no matter how inconvenient this fact is for your ideological goals.
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July 06, 2015, 12:24:33 AM
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Sex and gender are synonyms.


I give up.

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July 06, 2015, 01:05:49 AM
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Sex and gender are synonyms.


I give up.

In the past sex and gender were synonyms. It is only recently (really within the last 50 or 60 years) that minority groups have pushed other meanings onto gender.

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July 06, 2015, 01:39:37 AM
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It is only recently (really within the last 50 or 60 years) that minority groups have pushed other meanings onto gender.
Also known as science.

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So essentially what you're saying, is that gender is biological as well as cultural/social and that gender roles are also biological. Let's look here, as you can see Gender and Gender Identity are not Biological. Hormones, genitalia, etc as you described all fall under "Sex" and not "Gender". Every single thing you've said is in relation to "Sex", not "Gender".


http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/gender-role


Definition of gender role in English:
noun

The role or behavior learned by a person as appropriate to their gender, determined by the prevailing cultural norms:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/gender%20identity

Medical Dictionary

gender identity
  
  noun
Medical Definition of GENDER IDENTITY

:  the totality of physical and behavioral traits that are designated by a culture as masculine or feminine


"Your entire premise relies on the idea that there is not only no biological basis for gender identity, and that gender identity is implanted completely by society via conditioning. The fact is that humans have TWO SEPARATE GENDERS as defined by nature and biology, not only by society. Because you believe that society is the only source of gender identity, you then abuse this premise to permit the behavior of stripping people with hetero-normative gender identities of the natural state they fall into because of BIOLOGY, not conditioning."


Except that there are more "two separate genders". Humans are not confined to having XX and XY chromosomes, there are those with less and more. There are those with both or no genitalia. And guess what? That is all biological and has nothing to do with "Gender".

Gender roles are not based upon biological factors, they are based upon societal factors.

This should be common knowledge. Go take a sociology and psychology class, maybe dabble in neurology as well, because what you're describing is all based on "sex", not "gender".

http://psychology.jrank.org/pages/575/Sex-Roles.html
https://www.boundless.com/psychology/textbooks/boundless-psychology-textbook/gender-and-sexuality-15/gender-414/gender-and-sociology-296-12831/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131694/




Sex and gender are synonyms. Again you are taking liberties redefining words. When I call you on this you move the goal posts and find new phrases that you claim support your argument by their mere existence.  There are males, there are females, and there are others, I never denied that fact. However the fact remains that the VAST MAJORITY of humans fit within male or female gender identities, and this is largely the result of biology.

"Humans are not confined to having XX and XY chromosomes, there are those with less and more. There are those with both or no genitalia. And guess what? That is all biological and has nothing to do with "Gender"."

So what your saying is because of biology, there are more than two genders, but gender has nothing to do with biology? It is amazing how much you can punish your brain with conflicting statements and still manage to believe the words you say. It must create tremendous angst via cognitive dissonance which I am sure you gleefully unleash upon anyone you judge as being below your standards for ideological perfection.

As far as your "sources" the first two were just persuasive writing, and the third was a study of the trends of studies published in a specific journal. If there are any specific studies in there you believe support your argument, please cite them. I didn't see any. I did however find this...


"Finally, the vast majority of studies addressed cognitive and socialization processes. Only one published study directly focused on biological ideas about gender development (Rodgers et al. 1998). Studies focusing on biology may have been virtually nonexistent because such articles are more likely to be published in journals that are oriented to the biological sciences, and may be due to this journal’s greater emphasis on socialization and feminist perspectives."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131694/

ONE study from this journal about biological factors related to gender. Bias much? As far as scientific method is concerned the study of only the socialization processes and not examining the biological aspects violates the requirement for the ability to have a null hypothesis, one of the primary required tenets for a study to be called science.

Sex is inextricably linked with gender no matter how inconvenient this fact is for your ideological goals.

"So what your saying is because of biology, there are more than two genders, but gender has nothing to do with biology? It is amazing how much you can punish your brain with conflicting statements and still manage to believe the words you say." It's even more amazing when I didn't link Gender to my statement of there being people with chromosomes differing from the norm(xx.xy). Nice to see you putting "words in my mouth". I'm not sure what you're arguing about or whether you're confusing yourself, I stated that gender and sex are not synonymous, and I stated that gender is assigned due to a person's sex.

Since you still refuse to accept that Gender is not biological, let's have a look here:

(American Psychological Association) http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf


Sex refers to a person’s biological status and is typically categorized as male, female, or intersex
(i.e., atypical combinations of features that usually distinguish male from female). There are a
number of indicators of biological sex, including sex chromosomes, gonads, internal
reproductive organs, and external genitalia.


Gender refers to the attitudes, feelings, and behaviors that a given culture associates with a
person’s biological sex. Behavior that is compatible with cultural expectations is referred to as
gender-normative; behaviors that are viewed as incompatible with these expectations
constitute gender non-conformity.

Gender identity refers to “one’s sense of oneself as male, female, or transgender” (American
Psychological Association, 2006). When one’s gender identity and biological sex are not
congruent, the individual may identify as transsexual or as another transgender category (cf.
Gainor, 2000).



There you go, "gender" is Not biological and Not synonymous with "sex". Go take a few basic classes in your nearest college before posting again please. This is technically a topic that cannot be place in either or due to various organizations having different meanings for the words "gender" and "sex", but the fact is that sex is largely biological and gender societal. Gender is assigned based on the sex of the person, but is Not synonymous with "sex".

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July 06, 2015, 07:18:04 AM
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It is only recently (really within the last 50 or 60 years) that minority groups have pushed other meanings onto gender.
Also known as science.

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As opposed to the scientific method.

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And what it's gonna be after the end of religion? End of civilization? What is the workld and society you proposing? It doesn't make any sense.
A whole lot less violent, that's what it'll be. More orgasms = less violence, I guarantee it.


I would like us to chill out and explore sex more as society, its crazy to have sex with one person for your whole life after marriage. Men find it easier to deal with multiple partners than woman currently.
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And what it's gonna be after the end of religion? End of civilization? What is the workld and society you proposing? It doesn't make any sense.
A whole lot less violent, that's what it'll be. More orgasms = less violence, I guarantee it.


I would like us to chill out and explore sex more as society, its crazy to have sex with one person for your whole life after marriage. Men find it easier to deal with multiple partners than woman currently.
Yeah,  cause men don't get slut-shamed by their own fathers.

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And what it's gonna be after the end of religion? End of civilization? What is the workld and society you proposing? It doesn't make any sense.
A whole lot less violent, that's what it'll be. More orgasms = less violence, I guarantee it.


I would like us to chill out and explore sex more as society, its crazy to have sex with one person for your whole life after marriage. Men find it easier to deal with multiple partners than woman currently.
Yeah,  cause men don't get slut-shamed by their own fathers.

Where is the thing that is generally the greatest physical pleasure in life found? Is it found in wiggling your little finger? Is it found in jumping up and down? Is it found in looking at the stars? Is it found in turning summersaults? NO!

The greatest physical pleasure in life is found in one basic thing. It is found in the act of having sex, right?

Isn't it sort of odd, sort of a "coincidence" that, the act of having physical sex is also the act that produces offspring? Isn't it strange that starting a child in Mommy's tummy is also the thing that gives some of the greatest pleasure in life?

Why is it this way? Why out of a thousand other activities that people can do, is it that one, single activity that both procreates and gives by far the most pleasure in life?

Somebody might say that this is simply a happenstance, a real coincidence. And, he might be right if it were not for the fact that the pleasure that comes from this "happenstance" in not only the greatest pleasure, but it is also a pleasure that is way beyond any other pleasure. It is a pleasure that penetrates the whole physical beings of the people involved, and penetrates into aspects of their mental being, as well.

Wake up and see that God designed it this way because God wants more people to come into existence and fill the earth. God could have made the greatest pleasure to be in wiggling your little finger, or jumping up and down, or gazing at the stars, or in turning summersaults, or in one of a thousand things other than making babies. Sex is for making babies. It is the beginning of some of the greatest joy that people can have in this life.

Consider, who is the weakest, most humble, most innocent among people? Isn't it the babies, especially the newborn? To give them the greatest stability in life, God has made the family to be a unit. It is to consist of one man and one woman for their whole lives, even if they live more than a thousand years together.

Why their whole lives? Why after the child has grown up, shouldn't the husband/wife team move on to other partners? They shouldn't move on so that the whole family can be strengthened. They shouldn't move on simply so that the grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, etc., etc., etc., can have the absolute most stability in their lives for as far as the chain extends in time.

"It's for the children," and then government goes in and disrupts the family, the only true stability in the lives of the children.

Wake up, you delusional jokers, and see that the ONLY reason for the pleasure of sex, and the only reason for sex at all, is for making new children and more people in the world.

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Sex and gender are synonyms.


I give up.

I am sorry the dictionary disagrees with you. On a side note, it is interesting you chose to associate yourself with Dexter facepalming.





It's even more amazing when I didn't link Gender to my statement of there being people with chromosomes differing from the norm(xx.xy). Nice to see you putting "words in my mouth". I'm not sure what you're arguing about or whether you're confusing yourself, I stated that gender and sex are not synonymous, and I stated that gender is assigned due to a person's sex.

Since you still refuse to accept that Gender is not biological, let's have a look here:

(American Psychological Association) http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf


Sex refers to a person’s biological status and is typically categorized as male, female, or intersex
(i.e., atypical combinations of features that usually distinguish male from female). There are a
number of indicators of biological sex, including sex chromosomes, gonads, internal
reproductive organs, and external genitalia.


Gender refers to the attitudes, feelings, and behaviors that a given culture associates with a
person’s biological sex. Behavior that is compatible with cultural expectations is referred to as
gender-normative; behaviors that are viewed as incompatible with these expectations
constitute gender non-conformity.

Gender identity refers to “one’s sense of oneself as male, female, or transgender” (American
Psychological Association, 2006). When one’s gender identity and biological sex are not
congruent, the individual may identify as transsexual or as another transgender category (cf.
Gainor, 2000).



There you go, "gender" is Not biological and Not synonymous with "sex". Go take a few basic classes in your nearest college before posting again please. This is technically a topic that cannot be place in either or due to various organizations having different meanings for the words "gender" and "sex", but the fact is that sex is largely biological and gender societal. Gender is assigned based on the sex of the person, but is Not synonymous with "sex".

You can keep cherry picking all you like, gender is generally driven by sex. Sex doesn't determine your gender identity necessarily always, but it is the primary determining factor, not societal conditioning. Just keep making new hybrid words and finding specialized psychological definitions that precisely fit your argument. The fact is psychology is not a hard science. Furthermore the field of psychology is broken. Did you know there is no definition for sanity in the DSM? Psychology seeks to pathologise every behavior in order to sell medications and therapy.

There are far too many variables to call it truly scientific, and most psychological studies do not meet the basic standards for the scientific method. Polls and surveys certainly are not scientifically reliable, and are well known to be easily influenced by the phrasing of the questions among other variables that are not controlled easily.

" Reliability of diagnosis

 

    Reliability in diagnosis means that clinicians should be able to reach the same correct diagnosis consistently if they use the same diagnostic procedure (e.g. standardized clinical interview, observation of the patient’s symptoms, neuropsychological examination with scanners and diagnostic manuals). This is called inter-judge reliability.
    Reliability can be improved if clinicians use standardized clinical interview schedules, which define and specify sets of symptoms to look for. The individual psychiatrist must still make a subjective interpretation of the severity of the patient’s symptoms.
    The introduction of diagnostic manuals has increased reliability of diagnosis over the year even though the manuals are not without flaws.
    Reliability of diagnosis is a necessary prerequisite for validity. Rosenhahn (1973) performed a classic study that challenged reliability and validity of psychiatric diagnosis and showed the consequences of being labeled as “insane”. In this study eight pseudo-patients were diagnosed as suffering from severe psychological disorders but they were in reality imposters.

 

 Study: Cooper et al. (1972) The US-UK Diagnostic Project

 

    The aim of the study was to investigate reliability of diagnosis of depression and schizophrenia.
    The researchers asked American and British psychiatrists to diagnose patients by watching a number of videotaped clinical interviews.
    The British psychiatrists diagnosed the patients in the interview to be clinically depressed twice as often. The American psychiatrists diagnosed the same patients to be suffering from schizophrenia twice as often.
    The results indicated that the same cases did not result in similar diagnosis in the two countries. This points towards problems of reliability as well as cultural differences in interpretation of symptoms and thus in diagnosis.

 

Validity of diagnosis

 

    Validity of diagnosis refers to receiving the correct diagnosis. This should result in the correct treatment and a prognosis (predictive validity). Validity presupposes reliability of diagnosis.
    It is much more difficult to provide a correct diagnosis and give a prognosis for a psychological disorder than for a physical disorder because it is not possible to observe objective signs of the disorder in the same way.
    The DSM-IV manual does not include etiology but only symptoms. Sometimes patients have symptoms that relate to different psychological disorders so it can be difficult to make a valid diagnosis.

 

Study: Mitchel et al. (2009) Meta-analysis of validity of diagnosis of depression

 

    The study used data from 41 clinical trials (with 50,000 patients) that had used semi-structured interviews to assess depression.
    The general practitioners (GPs) had 80% reliability in identifying healthy individuals and 50% reliability in diagnosis of depression. Many GPs had problems making a correct diagnosis for depression.
    Generally GPs were more likely to identify false positive signs of depression after the first consultation. Michel et al. argued that GPs should see patients at least twice before making a diagnosis since accuracy of diagnosis was improved in studies that used several examinations over an extended period.
    Evaluation of the study: (1) The strengths of meta-analysis are that it can combine data from many studies and it is possible to generalize to a larger population; (2) Limitations of meta-analysis are that it may suffer from the problem of publication bias; since data from many different studies are used there may also be problems of interpretation of the data because it is not certain that each study uses exactly the same definitions.

 

Rosenhan (1973) On being sane in insane places

 

Aim:

To test reliability and validity of diagnosis in a natural setting. Rosenhan wanted to see if psychiatrists could distinguish between “abnormal” and “normal” behavior.

 

Procedure:

This was a covert participant observation with eight participants consisting of five men and three women (including Rosenhan himself). Their task was to follow the same instructions and present themselves in 12 psychiatric hospitals in the USA.

 

Results:

    All participants were admitted to various psychiatric wards and all but one were diagnosed with schizophrenia. The last one was diagnosed with manic depression.
    All pseudo-patients behaved normally while they were hospitalized because they were told that they would only get out if the staff perceived them to be well enough.
    The pseudo-patients took notes when they were hospitalized but this was interpreted as a symptom of their illness by the staff. It took between 7 to 52 days before the participants were released. They came out with a diagnosis (schizophrenia in remission) so they were “labeled”.
    A follow-up study was done later where the staff at a specific psychiatric hospital were told that impostors would present themselves at the hospital and that they should try to rate each patient whether he or she was an impostor. Of the 193 patients, 41 were clearly identified as impostors by at least one member of the staff, 23 were suspected to be impostors by one psychiatrist, and 19 were suspected by one psychiatrist and one staff member. There were no impostors.

 

Evaluation

    This controversial study was conducted nearly 40 years ago but it had an enormous impact in psychiatry. It sparked off a discussion and revision of diagnostic procedures as well as discussion of the consequences of diagnosis for patients. The development of diagnostic manuals has increased reliability and validity of diagnosis although the diagnostic tools are not without flaws.
    The method used raises ethical issues (the staff were not told about the research) but it was justified since the results provided evidence of problems in diagnosis which could benefit others. There were serious ethical issues in the follow-up study since the staff thought that impostors would present, but they were real patients and may not have had the treatment that they needed"

http://www.appsychology.com/IB%20Psych/IBcontent/Options/abnormal/Abnormal%20Q/2Abnormal.htm

The above proves how easily manipulable the processes of modern psychology are, and how unreliable they can be.

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I hope USA continues to focus on free sex and sodomy and will soon fall behind China and Russia and be destroyed.
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Dr. Money And The Boy With No Penis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUTcwqR4Q4Y

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God will Kill religion, it doesn't give a Flying Fuck about whether you Muslim, Jew, Christian......Gay....... Straight or otherwise you can pray to him/her or curse him&her, God is as blissfully unaware of our pathetic squabbling as we are of the bacteria in our gut.

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Religions are always dangerous when they offer to give you something such as enlightenment and peace in exchange for something other than your devotion towards the almighty and prayers. If they ask money or for someone to be killed, then that religion has nothing to do with 'God'.
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God is as blissfully unaware of our pathetic squabbling as we are of the bacteria in our gut.
A much more compelling argument for God than any organized religion, but still there is no evidence to support this or any other god-claim.

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God is as blissfully unaware of our pathetic squabbling as we are of the bacteria in our gut.
A much more compelling argument for God than any organized religion, but still there is no evidence to support this or any other god-claim.

Since you don't know this for anything like a fact or even close, you are setting yourself up as God by asserting the things you assert.

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Dr. Money And The Boy With No Penis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUTcwqR4Q4Y

Related Note: He lost his penis because of a botched male genital mutilation.

What, you have no comment about the pioneer of your gender theories raising a boy as a girl and his resulting suicide as an adult, along with his twin brother oding on antidepressants?
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July 08, 2015, 01:36:20 PM
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Where is the thing that is generally the greatest physical pleasure in life found?
Genital stimulation.

The greatest physical pleasure in life is found in one basic thing. It is found in the act of having sex, right?
Wrong. It is found in any sort of genital stimulation, not just sex, not just heterosexual sex, and certainly not just heterosexual sex with intention of procreation.

Isn't it strange that starting a child in Mommy's tummy is also the thing that gives some of the greatest pleasure in life?
Do you not receive your organism until after a sperm fertilizes an egg? No. Does she have to wait? No. I have a vasectomy, am I now unable to orgasm? No.

Why is it this way? Why out of a thousand other activities that people can do, is it that one, single activity that both procreates and gives by far the most pleasure in life?
Because evolution naturally favors/rewards procreation. And I think you're much more interested in what other people do with their genitals than any god is.

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