The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God

[Beliathon]

Oh dear, looks like Christianity is on terminal decline. Bet they wish they could turn back the clock to the "good old days". You know, the days they used to beat to death unbelievers for not joining their cult. That never failed to boost numbers.

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[1aguar]

I am posting some excerpts from the Phoenix Journals as they contain the truth about sex. Please refrain from commenting unless you have read the whole post.

I write this first Word unto you so that as you pass this portion of this JOURNAL, you know that which is given is Truth, reason and in justness. This is the most important document ye shall ever be given for the last trumpet is sounding and ye have been again warned and petitioned and My messengers have pleaded upon bended knees to be heeded.

Perhaps I should mention to you that Hatonn denounces the lack of RESPONSIBILITY of the sexual unions as you of Earth have come to practice them--the murders of the unborn, the USE of another for gratification of human power needs and the activities which are given and experienced--in most despicable ways bearing diseases and killing the very body seeking acceptance and pleasure. LOVE AND UNION OF EMOTION IS A GIFT OF EXPERIENCE GIVEN UNTO THE SOUL (EMOTIONS) AND HAVE NAUGHT TO DO WITH BODY PHYSICAL. THAT FOR WHICH YE SEARCH IS NOT FULFILLED BY ANY CONJURED ACTIVITY OF THE HUMAN PHYSICAL BEING. IT IS THE "BEHAVIOR" DENOUNCED, NOT THE LOVE AND ABIDING CO-RELATIONSHIP OF THAT WHICH YOU LABEL HETEROSEXUAL OR HOMOSEXUAL. IT IS NOT "LOVE", RESPONSIBILITY, NOR EVEN CARING, WHEN ONE WOULD GIVE FATAL DISEASE UNTO THAT OTHER HE CLAIMS TO ABIDE WITH IN LOVE. Therefore, when ye are told the truth of it, you denounce and turn away. How can you believe and accept one thing from Hatonn and discard that very portion which allows your immortal soul transition into the glorious realms of higher dimension? Is the inference, somehow, that if you have experienced the things which are against the Laws of God and The Creation that you are doomed and lost forever? Do not be foolish--all done in IGNORANCE is instantly forgiven as TRUTH IS NOTED AND FOLLOWED. As in the "homosexual" participant in any relationship- -you turn from the placement of your parts of procreation or that which was purposed for speech into the places of fecal expulsion. Is that so very difficult to attain in truth? Is that act a true expression of your caring LOVE of another being?

Just as the obese person has the simplistic opportunity to simply close the mouth to lose of the fat, so is the simplicity of all of MY instructions in order to come within the laws. AND JUST AS "WILL" OF THE FLESH IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO CLOSE OF THE MOUTH AGAINST THE FOODS IN EXCESS, SO YE SHALL BE GIVEN STRENGTH IF YE BUT ASK WITH INTENT OF PURPOSE--NOT OF THE LIPS THAT ALWAYS PRONOUNCE LIES--BUT THE HEART WITHIN IN PETITION FOR AID.

The truly loving DIVINE UNION, that of male/female experiencing their creative potential through the sexual act for PROCREATION, was created to be a UNION OF DIVINE LOVING DEVOTION and CELEBRATION OF THE GIFTS OF ONENESS SHARED...AND OF NEW LIFE CREATED FROM GOD. Rarely do ones feel TRUE LOVE, caring friendship, affection and intimacy toward their mates on your plane. Most have simply forgotten what LOVE is. You think perhaps you and your mate are one of the "rare" exceptions? Here is a test for you. How long would your marriage and commitment last if today you completely STOPPED all sexual activity with one another? Think about this carefully. Do you truly give of yourself to your mate sexually and otherwise because you wish to please them? To please both of you?

To please yourself? You ones think your sexual orgasm is ecstasy? YOU EVEN LIMIT ECSTASY!

You see, you are not your desires, you are not your emotions. YOU are THE SPIRIT of LIFE of GOD, and your spirit IS the MASTER over your desires and emotions. Don't you see that you have simply chosen, in your illusion of ignorance and confusion, TO MAKE your emotions and desires the MASTER over your SPIRIT...YOUR GODNESS?!?

This corruption of your creative potential WAS CREATED, CONDITIONED AND MOLDED BY THE ANTI-CHRIST. YOU SIMPLY BOUGHT THE LIE AS TRUTH AND HAVE BECOME ADDICTED TO YOUR DESIRE FOR "SEX".

Recognize that this "sexual urge" is really your UNFULFILLED creative potential screaming to be released from the self-imposed "limit" or boundary of THE physical sexual ACT. Act: "1. To play the part of; impersonate. 2. To serve temporarily or as a substitute. To PRETEND." The sexual act is limiting, substituting and impersonating YOUR CREATIVE AND SPIRITUAL UNFOLDMENT TO KNOW GOD. When you truly understand and recognize this truth, your creative spiritual unfoldment can no longer BE FRUSTRATED AND LIMITED to the repetition of a silly and truly spiritually unfulfilling "sexual act".

Does this mean you are expected, by self and GOD, to STOP all sexual activity NOW? ONLY if it is YOUR choice made with the JOY of TRULY understanding and thus having the freedom of detachment from this "ADDICTION" and no desire to procreate. For most of you, especially adults, "sexual behavior" has now become addictive, so you must treat it as such.
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So be gentle with self and your mate, but be aware and responsible to "consequences" (such as pregnancy) and persistent in your goal (to self) to release and detach from ALL things of Physical Manifestation. Simply RECOGNIZE without punishing self with guilt and shame that this is a transgression against the Creative spirit of life within you. For a time accept that you will have desire because you are "addicted" and many of you understand it as an "extension" of your love. Do not punish self or other, let the "desire" dissolve naturally within each partner. As you begin the unfoldment and adventure of discovering YOUR creative spiritual potential, you will be surprised, because at some point you will find that the "sexual act" is no longer appealing to either of you. You will be detached and no longer have interest in it!

I judge not that which you DID; I judge that which you DO after learning Truth. No MAN nor group of MEN/WOMEN shall change one iota of the LAWS! You can all vote in favor of that which is evil and make of thine laws according to land, and it means nothing for you will continue to be consumed by that which is evil that ye have brought upon selves. The actions are totally and completely up to you. Do ye wish My Hosts to come and tell you worse and more despicable LIES? Is that for which ye seek in the perfection of God?--more lies from My messengers?

This is the time of the separation of those who are WITH ME from those who stand AGAINST ME. If you turn again unto the Laws of Truth as given forth, you shall be given all assistance from MY REALMS AND FROM MY HOSTS. Those who remain in deliberate practice of those things which are birthed of the physical and expended in human-level actions have made their choices. If you turn unto the dark passages, choosing to forfeit the Light, so be it for ye shall be left unto your choices for I force not any creature--but YOU ALONE shall be in the choosing.

YE WHO FEEL FRAIL AND THINK YE CANNOT STAND IN TRUTH--ALONE; YE ARE NOT ALONE FOR I AM THE STRENGTH OF THE UNIVERSE AND I SHALL SUPPORT THEE. IN THE ENDING, PRECIOUS ONES, YE SHALL STAND ALL ALONE—JUST THEE AND ME AND THERE SHALL BE NONE OTHER TO ANSWER IN YOUR STEAD.

http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/PJ_27.pdf

[1aguar]

I wonder if the original poster (OP) will refute what has been stated in Phoenix Journals regarding sex.

There is only one war that matters: Truth vs. Falsehood; knowledge vs. Ignorance

The religious wing nuts only have a few decades left to wipe us all out with a super weapon before we reach the next phase of human evolution.

I found this post from OP in another thread; it is ironic to me because it appears he is promoting his pro-sex ideology out of ignorance; perhaps the OP does not know that sex for selfish reasons is a dangerous and unbalanced act. I have quoted the portion of Phoenix Journals where the soul-ution is given; I would like for the OP to take notice, so that Truth and knowledge can win the war. I challenge OP to side with truth and knowledge today, and to recognize the sexual act for what it is. There is a lot more truth in that Journal and it is better to read and have knowledge before denouncing in ignorance.

However, I do agree that certain religious ideologies are dangerous, and I will identify the most dangerous one here in this post--Zionism; I submit more quotes from the same Phoenix Journal:

THEY WILL CRY OUT FOR "NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT AND ORDER" AND PROMISE YOU PEACE AND PROSPERITY. BUT YOU SHALL REAP OF THE WHIRLWIND FOR UNITY OF WORLDS AND UNIVERSES COMES ONLY FROM THE LIGHTED TRUTH AND LIFE INTEGRATION WITHIN THE LAWS OF TRUTH, LIGHT AND BALANCE WITHIN THE CREATION. MAN OF HUMAN DISTRACTION KNOWS ONLY LUST, GREED, POWER THROUGH COERCION AND FORCE AND ENSLAVEMENT. IF YE FOLLOW THE WRONG LEADER YOU ARE DESTINED TO PERISH WITH THAT LEADER AND LOSE OF ALL THAT YE PERCEIVE YE HAVE GAINED IN THE PHYSICAL PROCUREMENT.

The act of marriage and procreation must have the highest degree of pure intent and preparation, for upon these bonds and restrictions will rest the preservation of mankind as a species upon the planet. If everything is done and adhered to, justice and peace will come to all mankind, and life in the human form can be preserved.

If man continues his selfish and imprudent behavior, he will sound his own death tariff. There reaches a point beyond which a planet cannot support the unbalanced system perpetrated by mankind. And yet, so shall it come to pass that man will not listen and bring destruction upon his own species.

Oh, despicable and vile are the ones who took My words and promise and made them to read as the profits and reward of the very evil anti-God who would seek Zion and call themselves My chosen children and take the heritage of Mine own, unto themselves.
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They have taken My Truth and turned it unto their own use to fool all of ye nations.
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I send the Word for man to KNOW so that he can choose his direction. I shall no longer stand silent and those who have changed My words and destroyed My Truth shall be cast into the silence for they have pulled My people down and the reward shall be heavy indeed.

I close this portion with petition to hear, to see and come into understanding so that you can find your way. My messengers shall no longer be given into martyrdom for the call is sounded as the chaos has spread about your lands--so will the hush come upon you and woe is upon he who does not take heed. I shall rip the books bound within the lies from their sewing and rend them into shreds and the lies shall bury the liars in their dens of iniquity and so shall it come to pass for the Truth lies within the story but it is NOT AS WRITTEN OR TRANSLATED FOR THEY OF EVIL HAVE TAKEN THAT WHICH WAS GIVEN FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AND TURNED IT INTO THE PATH DIRECTLY INTO EVIL. THEY WHO HAVE CONVULSED MY TRUTH SHALL BE STRANGLED UPON THEIR OWN LIES. AH YES, YE HAD BETTER BE READING CAREFULLY THE BOOKS CALLED BIBLE, FOR THEY ARE FILLED WITH THE CHANGINGS TO SUIT OF THE BEAST AND THROUGH THEM SHALL YE BE LED TO SLAUGHTER FOR THEY ARE NOT OF MY GIVING. EVERYTHING PURE HAS BEEN CORRUPTED FOR THE EONS OF TIME AND YE WHO WERE GIVEN FORTH TO SET IT TO RIGHT HAVE FALLEN TO THE WAYSIDE OR INTO THE PIT WITH THE VIPERS. NOT LONGER SHALL IT BE THUS FOR I AM COMING TO SET IT TO RIGHT AND YE WHO STAND WITH ME SHALL BE GIVEN INTO GREATNESS. THESE ONES WHO HAVE STOLEN THAT WHICH I GAVE IN TRUTH UNTO MINE PEOPLE SHALL BE GIVEN INTO THE ABYSS OF REMORSE FOR ALL THEIR REMAINING DAYS AND THEN THEY SHALL BE JUDGED WITH JUSTICE.

May the Light be given entrance to shine around about you that you be given into vision for the remaining days of your experience upon that place are numbered.

[Beliathon]

perhaps the OP does not know that sex for selfish reasons is a dangerous and unbalanced act.

I could not disagree more strongly. Sexual nirvana is the key to peace on Earth.

[1aguar]

perhaps the OP does not know that sex for selfish reasons is a dangerous and unbalanced act.

I could not disagree more strongly. Sexual nirvana is the key to peace on Earth.

And WHAT exactly is your reasoning? I have provided mine, and you have yet to examine it; you dismiss all that has been written but propose no knowledge of your own; that is why I am asking: are you speaking in ignorance? Here is another quote:

Again, the laws of balance are LOGICAL, meaning they were created specifically to maintain BALANCE within The
Creation.

Because of the various degrees of deliberate, systematic and malevolently lewd and lascivious sexual behaviors, which are the corruption of this DIVINE UNION, and which have been and are practiced by most on your plane, the WARNING given above by our beloved Jesus Immanuel is transpiring before your very eyes in this time frame!

The sexual "act" was specifically designed to be performed by ONE man and ONE woman who had committed THEIR DIVINE LOVE AS ONE in the union of marriage, ordained by GOD. Through this union OF LOVE, the act of sexual intercourse between a husband and his wife for pro-creation was a most sacred and honored responsibility, an extension of their LOVE and COMMITMENT TO GOD in his service as PARENTS of HIS Children.

Now remember the law of "Cause and Effect". The EFFECTS of breaking this one directive of GOD are all about you today. Over-Population and the spread of fatal venereal and blood-borne diseases, such as Syphilis and AIDS, are proving to be YOUR self-punishment to the point of creating the nearly complete destruction of your human species on Earth.

[TECSHARE]

Don't strain yourself too hard looking for facts, logic, or reason from Liathon. There is none of that to be found.

[Beliathon]

Don't strain yourself too hard looking for facts, logic, or reason from Liathon. There is none of that to be found.

Yeah, you'll find nothing like that in the hundreds of cited sources here.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Do not punish self or other, let the "desire" dissolve naturally within each partner. As you begin the unfoldment and adventure of discovering YOUR creative spiritual potential, you will be surprised, because at some point you will find that the "sexual act" is no longer appealing to either of you. You will be detached and no longer have interest in it!

I close this portion with petition to hear, to see and come into understanding so that you can find your way. My messengers shall no longer be given into martyrdom for the call is sounded as the chaos has spread about your lands--so will the hush come upon you and woe is upon he who does not take heed....AH YES, YE HAD BETTER BE READING CAREFULLY THE BOOKS CALLED BIBLE, FOR THEY ARE FILLED WITH THE CHANGINGS TO SUIT OF THE BEAST AND THROUGH THEM SHALL YE BE LED TO SLAUGHTER FOR THEY ARE NOT OF MY GIVING.

I just want to point out if anyone thinks these writings are Christian, they aren't. 1aguar is quoting Phoenix Journals, who take their info from Hatonn as seen here "...Perhaps I should mention to you that Hatonn denounces the lack of RESPONSIBILITY... "

Hatonn is supposedly an alien, “I am Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn, Commander in Chief, Earth Project Transition, Pleiades Sector Flight command, Intergalactic Federation Fleet-Ashtar Command; Earth Representative to the Cosmic Council and Intergalactic Federation Council on Earth Transition. You may call me “Hatonn”.

I do not agree with the few quotes specifically in the quote box above. They are not biblical. God created sex to be enjoyed (between husband and wife). Also Christians will be persecuted in the final days, it's not called the tribulation for nothing.

[Okurkabinladin]

I find it absolutely amazing, that this thread didnt die yet.

While you singularites keep discussing this nonsense, guess what religious people do? Pump more babies. Actually in Africa fertility levels leveled off (stopped falling) at around 4.5 kids per womb. That means doubling of population every generation.

So keep talking. Religious nuts dont even have to argue with you, hell they dont even have to learn how to write and read. They will simply breed you all out of gene pool.

[Beliathon]

So keep talking. Religious nuts dont even have to argue with you, hell they dont even have to learn how to write and read. They will simply breed you all out of gene pool.

Population Growth Crash Course

[TECSHARE]

Don't strain yourself too hard looking for facts, logic, or reason from Liathon. There is none of that to be found.

Yeah, you'll find nothing like that in the hundreds of cited sources here.

Sorry but you don't just get to take a bibliography from a book and claim they all back your argument. Make one premise and support it with as many studies as you can. This behavior is not just incredibly lazy, but intellectually dishonest. If you believe there is science behind your argument PICK A STUDY AND STAND BEHIND IT. Of course you won't though, because you and I both know your ignorance of scientific method in general is so great you are terrified to pick a study and stand behind it for fear of your ignorance and intellectual dishonesty being exposed.

[1aguar]

perhaps the OP does not know that sex for selfish reasons is a dangerous and unbalanced act.

I could not disagree more strongly. Sexual nirvana is the key to peace on Earth.

What you label "Nirvana" is a degrading spiritual trap devoid of love; it is actually a Hell on Earth; When one is an "adult" and does not wish to have children, the seeking of sexual pleasure by self or with another is a transgression upon self simply BECAUSE YOU ARE DENYING AND LIMITING YOUR SPIRITUAL CREATIVE POTENTIAL WITHIN.

What you ones have labeled "sexual energy" or "libido" is actually a corruption of the creative and nurturing potential of The Spirit of GOD within YOU. LET US REPEAT THIS: YOUR "SEXUAL ENERGY/LIBIDO" IS ACTUALLY A CORRUPTION OF THE CREATIVE AND NURTURING POTENTIAL OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD WITHIN YOU! Let us see how your Funk & Wagnals Dictionary defines Libido: "1. Sexual desire or impulse. 2. The instinctual craving or drive behind all human activities." Did you read that clearly, friends? INSTINCTUAL CRAVING OR DRIVE BEHIND ALL HUMAN ACTIVITIES! The catch is, precious ones, SEX is not the INSTINCTUAL craving or drive that was created by GOD, THIS was your CREATIVE, nurturing drive TO KNOW and CELEBRATE GOD WITHIN YOU, TO CO-CREATE THE EVER-UNFOLDING EXPANSION AND ADVENTURE OF LIFE! The truly loving DIVINE UNION, that of male/female experiencing their creative potential through the sexual act for PROCREATION, was created to be a UNION OF DIVINE LOVING DEVOTION and CELEBRATION OF THE GIFTS OF ONENESS SHARED...AND OF NEW LIFE CREATED FROM GOD. Rarely do ones feel TRUE LOVE, caring friendship, affection and intimacy toward their mates on your plane. Most have simply forgotten what LOVE is. You think perhaps you and your mate are one of the "rare" exceptions? Here is a test for you. How long would your marriage and commitment last if today you completely STOPPED all sexual activity with one another? Think about this carefully. Do you truly give of yourself to your mate sexually and otherwise because you wish to please them? To please both of you?

To please yourself? You ones think your sexual orgasm is ecstasy? YOU EVEN LIMIT ECSTASY!

[Okurkabinladin]

So keep talking. Religious nuts dont even have to argue with you, hell they dont even have to learn how to write and read. They will simply breed you all out of gene pool.

Population Growth Crash Course

So you are only able to provide video of some hipster instead of making your own argument? I am educated on matters of statistics. Like I have mentioned, in deeply backwards countries, fertility has leveled off, former UN projections were simply wrong. Perhaps fueled by irrational belief, that higher living standarts automatically means fewer children, ignoring religion and race in the process.

So, there will be less atheists in the future and more nuts. Get used to it.

This is also true of developed countries. In Russia by far most "productive" are native "starovery" aswell as muslim Chechens, not urban liberals. Same story in the US with Amish and mormons. Or in Israel, which was founded by educated, european expats, yet is more and more fundamentalist in nature (orthodox Jews nowadays form almost 15% of population).

[1aguar]

Do not punish self or other, let the "desire" dissolve naturally within each partner. As you begin the unfoldment and adventure of discovering YOUR creative spiritual potential, you will be surprised, because at some point you will find that the "sexual act" is no longer appealing to either of you. You will be detached and no longer have interest in it!

I close this portion with petition to hear, to see and come into understanding so that you can find your way. My messengers shall no longer be given into martyrdom for the call is sounded as the chaos has spread about your lands--so will the hush come upon you and woe is upon he who does not take heed....AH YES, YE HAD BETTER BE READING CAREFULLY THE BOOKS CALLED BIBLE, FOR THEY ARE FILLED WITH THE CHANGINGS TO SUIT OF THE BEAST AND THROUGH THEM SHALL YE BE LED TO SLAUGHTER FOR THEY ARE NOT OF MY GIVING.

I just want to point out if anyone thinks these writings are Christian, they aren't. 1aguar is quoting Phoenix Journals, who take their info from Hatonn as seen here "...Perhaps I should mention to you that Hatonn denounces the lack of RESPONSIBILITY... "

Hatonn is supposedly an alien, “I am Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn, Commander in Chief, Earth Project Transition, Pleiades Sector Flight command, Intergalactic Federation Fleet-Ashtar Command; Earth Representative to the Cosmic Council and Intergalactic Federation Council on Earth Transition. You may call me “Hatonn”.

I do not agree with the few quotes specifically in the quote box above. They are not biblical. God created sex to be enjoyed (between husband and wife). Also Christians will be persecuted in the final days, it's not called the tribulation for nothing.

Hello MMH,
1) Who says that the Hatonn you linked to is the same GCH who wrote the Phoenix Journals and other recordings of the Phoenix Project?
2) Who has told you that God created sex to be enjoyed? I thought God's gift of sex was for procreation, not bodily pleasure!
3) What matter is it whether something is Biblical? Do you want "Biblical" Christianity or do you want Christed Christianity? I believe the world has overwhelmingly stated the preference as you have voted-in and out the true laws of Christ.
4) What do you have to say to this quote from Hatonn, via another Phoenix Journal, which highlights how you are making judgments out of ignorance rather than in wisdom of knowledge:

I TRAVEL WITH YOUR "CHRIST"!! AND, FURTHERMORE, IF ANYONE BOTHERED TO READ MY WRITINGS--IT CAN NOT BE REFUTED.

[Beliathon]

So keep talking. Religious nuts dont even have to argue with you, hell they dont even have to learn how to write and read. They will simply breed you all out of gene pool.

Population Growth Crash Course

So you are only able to provide video of some hipster instead of making your own argument?

You think this is about me? Anyway, I can't be an expert on everything. When there is a more articulate and concise source of information than myself, I'm more than happy to defer to that wisdom and share it with you in the interests of truth. Also that man is a scientist, not a "hipster".

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Do not punish self or other, let the "desire" dissolve naturally within each partner. As you begin the unfoldment and adventure of discovering YOUR creative spiritual potential, you will be surprised, because at some point you will find that the "sexual act" is no longer appealing to either of you. You will be detached and no longer have interest in it!

I close this portion with petition to hear, to see and come into understanding so that you can find your way. My messengers shall no longer be given into martyrdom for the call is sounded as the chaos has spread about your lands--so will the hush come upon you and woe is upon he who does not take heed....AH YES, YE HAD BETTER BE READING CAREFULLY THE BOOKS CALLED BIBLE, FOR THEY ARE FILLED WITH THE CHANGINGS TO SUIT OF THE BEAST AND THROUGH THEM SHALL YE BE LED TO SLAUGHTER FOR THEY ARE NOT OF MY GIVING.

I just want to point out if anyone thinks these writings are Christian, they aren't. 1aguar is quoting Phoenix Journals, who take their info from Hatonn as seen here "...Perhaps I should mention to you that Hatonn denounces the lack of RESPONSIBILITY... "

Hatonn is supposedly an alien, “I am Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn, Commander in Chief, Earth Project Transition, Pleiades Sector Flight command, Intergalactic Federation Fleet-Ashtar Command; Earth Representative to the Cosmic Council and Intergalactic Federation Council on Earth Transition. You may call me “Hatonn”.

I do not agree with the few quotes specifically in the quote box above. They are not biblical. God created sex to be enjoyed (between husband and wife). Also Christians will be persecuted in the final days, it's not called the tribulation for nothing.

Hello MMH,
1) Who says that the Hatonn you linked to is the same GCH who wrote the Phoenix Journals and other recordings of the Phoenix Project?
2) Who has told you that God created sex to be enjoyed? I thought God's gift of sex was for procreation, not bodily pleasure!
3) What matter is it whether something is Biblical? Do you want "Biblical" Christianity or do you want Christed Christianity? I believe the world has overwhelmingly stated the preference as you have voted-in and out the true laws of Christ.
4) What do you have to say to this quote from Hatonn, via another Phoenix Journal, which highlights how you are making judgments out of ignorance rather than in wisdom of knowledge:

I TRAVEL WITH YOUR "CHRIST"!! AND, FURTHERMORE, IF ANYONE BOTHERED TO READ MY WRITINGS--IT CAN NOT BE REFUTED.

This isn't really the best thread for this discussion, but if you want to create your thread for further conversation, feel free to. But I will answer these questions here.

1. The official source for Phoenix Journal clearly says his name.."God’s Plan for the New Millennium
Esu Immanuel (“Jesus”) Sananda and Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn"

2. The body was built with organs that give pleasure in sex. Plus the bible book Song of Solomon shows verse after verse of the pleasure one finds in one's mate.

Here's a nice page, What is the Biblical purpose of sex?

3. The bible is the Word of God. You can't just ignore parts and add things on to it. 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

4. To that, I say, I've read the bible, I've studied it, and it is not out of ignorance, but a discernment given by God that I posted.

[1aguar]

Do not punish self or other, let the "desire" dissolve naturally within each partner. As you begin the unfoldment and adventure of discovering YOUR creative spiritual potential, you will be surprised, because at some point you will find that the "sexual act" is no longer appealing to either of you. You will be detached and no longer have interest in it!

I close this portion with petition to hear, to see and come into understanding so that you can find your way. My messengers shall no longer be given into martyrdom for the call is sounded as the chaos has spread about your lands--so will the hush come upon you and woe is upon he who does not take heed....AH YES, YE HAD BETTER BE READING CAREFULLY THE BOOKS CALLED BIBLE, FOR THEY ARE FILLED WITH THE CHANGINGS TO SUIT OF THE BEAST AND THROUGH THEM SHALL YE BE LED TO SLAUGHTER FOR THEY ARE NOT OF MY GIVING.

I just want to point out if anyone thinks these writings are Christian, they aren't. 1aguar is quoting Phoenix Journals, who take their info from Hatonn as seen here "...Perhaps I should mention to you that Hatonn denounces the lack of RESPONSIBILITY... "

Hatonn is supposedly an alien, “I am Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn, Commander in Chief, Earth Project Transition, Pleiades Sector Flight command, Intergalactic Federation Fleet-Ashtar Command; Earth Representative to the Cosmic Council and Intergalactic Federation Council on Earth Transition. You may call me “Hatonn”.

I do not agree with the few quotes specifically in the quote box above. They are not biblical. God created sex to be enjoyed (between husband and wife). Also Christians will be persecuted in the final days, it's not called the tribulation for nothing.

Hello MMH,
1) Who says that the Hatonn you linked to is the same GCH who wrote the Phoenix Journals and other recordings of the Phoenix Project?
2) Who has told you that God created sex to be enjoyed? I thought God's gift of sex was for procreation, not bodily pleasure!
3) What matter is it whether something is Biblical? Do you want "Biblical" Christianity or do you want Christed Christianity? I believe the world has overwhelmingly stated the preference as you have voted-in and out the true laws of Christ.
4) What do you have to say to this quote from Hatonn, via another Phoenix Journal, which highlights how you are making judgments out of ignorance rather than in wisdom of knowledge:

I TRAVEL WITH YOUR "CHRIST"!! AND, FURTHERMORE, IF ANYONE BOTHERED TO READ MY WRITINGS--IT CAN NOT BE REFUTED.

This isn't really the best thread for this discussion, but if you want to create your thread for further conversation, feel free to. But I will answer these questions here.

This is the right thread because we are addressing attitudes towards sex, so let us find the common ground; I'm more than happy to defer to Hatonn's wisdom and share it with you and the OP in the interests of truth; You refer to Biblical wisdom which is backed up by "inspiration of God", but if that Word has been corrupted by man then that Scripture is little different from "the word of one called Beliathon" which states that "Sexual nirvana is the key to peace on Earth".

3. The bible is the Word of God. You can't just ignore parts and add things on to it. 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

So Phoenix Journals are not Scripture because your book tells you so? I perceive that you have not used your own discernment to conclude this. I also perceive that Phoenix Journals have corrected misconceptions about sex, both humanist and "Biblical". I suggest reading the sections about "Biblical" versus "Christed" Christianity in this Phoenix Journal, but first it is best to read all of Journal 27.

4. To that, I say, I've read the bible, I've studied it, and it is not out of ignorance, but a discernment given by God that I posted.

Well, Hatonn similarly has discernment given by God, and has published it via his scribe. Hatonn even travels with Christ. On the other hand, Saul was a Pharisee who never even met Christ. The Bible is subject to misinterpretation and corruption by man's hand, but there is nothing unclear about what Hatonn says about sex; I conclude that Phoenix Journals are the superior Scripture.

Anyway, the point is to have a reasoned discussion about these things so that we can look within to discern our own ideas about sex, and find our own path. The Bible states that God is within you, so let us search within to find God's WORD; God is always speaking.

Why do ye not ask of Me these things? Why do ye not listen when I send ye the Word and the Truth? What will ye do? Will ye move away, My people, led away captive, stumbling, weary and hungry? Check the words of those witches, channels, mediums which pronounce things upon which ye hang thine beings--IF THEIR MESSAGES ARE DIFFERENT THAN MINE, IT IS BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SENT THEM FOR THEY HAVE NO LIGHT OR TRUTH WITHIN THEM.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Well, Hatonn similarly has discernment given by God, and has published it via his scribe. Hatonn even travels with Christ. On the other hand, Saul was a Pharisee who never even met Christ. The Bible is subject to misinterpretation and corruption by man's hand, but there is nothing unclear about what Hatonn says about sex; I conclude that Phoenix Journals are the superior Scripture.

Anyway, the point is to have a reasoned discussion about these things so that we can look within to discern our own ideas about sex, and find our own path. The Bible states that God is within you, so let us search within to find God's WORD; God is always speaking.

Why do ye not ask of Me these things? Why do ye not listen when I send ye the Word and the Truth? What will ye do? Will ye move away, My people, led away captive, stumbling, weary and hungry? Check the words of those witches, channels, mediums which pronounce things upon which ye hang thine beings--IF THEIR MESSAGES ARE DIFFERENT THAN MINE, IT IS BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SENT THEM FOR THEY HAVE NO LIGHT OR TRUTH WITHIN THEM.

I didn't want to read what you wrote originally, but I felt it was important to show people how it is not biblical. For someone to believe there is some "new" word from God, then it would have to go along with what the Bible says currently, and not be contradictory. God would not have made us sexual, and He would not have created a partner, woman, for man if He did not want man to partner with a woman, which includes comforting, and the pleasure as seen in Song of Solomon.

I've already known God's ideas on sex within marriage, it's pretty clear between a married couple.

One thing I've seen is that when couples are angry with each other, they are not likely to have sex. But this moves them to talk to each other and make up with each other, and then there is joy with most people call "makeup sex". This is pleasure because the couple has dealt with their issues, and have been truthful with each other, and this strengthens their bond, that God said He wanted in Genesis when He created Eve.

Yes, this message from the "alien" (that sex is not supposed to be for pleasure) is not the same as God in the bible, and so it can be discounted.

[1aguar]

Hi MMH,

I do discern that sex for the purpose of pleasure is a limitation, and that limitations are not of God; I am here to use Scripture (Phoenix Journals) to correct the misconception; take a close look at what Hatonn is saying, especially the part that I have underlined, and see the distinction between sexual pleasure and sexual responsibility; I will quote this again since you have said that you do not read all that I am posting:

What you label "makeup sex" is a degrading spiritual trap devoid of love. On the other hand, Through union OF LOVE, the act of sexual intercourse between a husband and his wife for pro-creation was a most sacred and honored responsibility, an extension of their LOVE and COMMITMENT TO GOD in his service as PARENTS of HIS Children. When one is an "adult" and does not wish to have children, the seeking of sexual pleasure by self or with another is a transgression upon self simply BECAUSE YOU ARE DENYING AND LIMITING YOUR SPIRITUAL CREATIVE POTENTIAL WITHIN.

What you ones have labeled "sexual energy" or "libido" is actually a corruption of the creative and nurturing potential of The Spirit of GOD within YOU. LET US REPEAT THIS: YOUR "SEXUAL ENERGY/LIBIDO" IS ACTUALLY A CORRUPTION OF THE CREATIVE AND NURTURING POTENTIAL OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD WITHIN YOU! Let us see how your Funk & Wagnals Dictionary defines Libido: "1. Sexual desire or impulse. 2. The instinctual craving or drive behind all human activities." Did you read that clearly, friends? INSTINCTUAL CRAVING OR DRIVE BEHIND ALL HUMAN ACTIVITIES! The catch is, precious ones, SEX is not the INSTINCTUAL craving or drive that was created by GOD, THIS was your CREATIVE, nurturing drive TO KNOW and CELEBRATE GOD WITHIN YOU, TO CO-CREATE THE EVER-UNFOLDING EXPANSION AND ADVENTURE OF LIFE! The truly loving DIVINE UNION, that of male/female experiencing their creative potential through the sexual act for PROCREATION, was created to be a UNION OF DIVINE LOVING DEVOTION and CELEBRATION OF THE GIFTS OF ONENESS SHARED...AND OF NEW LIFE CREATED FROM GOD. Rarely do ones feel TRUE LOVE, caring friendship, affection and intimacy toward their mates on your plane. Most have simply forgotten what LOVE is. You think perhaps you and your mate are one of the "rare" exceptions? Here is a test for you. How long would your marriage and commitment last if today you completely STOPPED all sexual activity with one another? Think about this carefully. Do you truly give of yourself to your mate sexually and otherwise because you wish to please them? To please both of you?

To please yourself? You ones think your sexual orgasm is ecstasy? YOU EVEN LIMIT ECSTASY!

[Beliathon]

I didn't want to read what you wrote originally, but I felt it was important to show people how it is not biblical. For someone to believe there is some "new" word from God, then it would have to go along with what the Bible says

So you reject the New Testament and only endorse the Old Testament?