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June 01, 2011, 07:11:48 PM
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Bitcoins have the potential of the whole society through tax evasion

So bitcoins will accidentaly the whole society?

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June 01, 2011, 07:16:26 PM
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A banking group warning me about the dangers of bitcoin is like a crack dealer pharmaceutical lobbyist warning me about the dangers of weed.

FTFY
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June 01, 2011, 07:35:50 PM
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Their arguments against it could be used against any type of money. They are afraid of us.

Hopefully projects like BtcFn (bitcoin over freenet) and related will help to give people freedom in oppressive regimes.  Also hopefully no country in EU will implement such stupid ideas.
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June 01, 2011, 09:03:56 PM
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Guess which online money transfer providers are a member of the lobby organization!
Then have a look at this list on the website of the lobby organization: http://payment.bvdw.org/der-payment-markt/anbieter.html


Nice find.  All the payment processors that have the most to lose will be the first ones to fight bitcoin. 

Bitcoin truly looks like a Paypal killer.


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June 01, 2011, 09:09:07 PM
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Well, what can I say...
When I found bitcoin - I thought governments and other criminals would be in trouble. Now I think they are COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY FUCKED!
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June 01, 2011, 09:10:07 PM
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Bitcoin needs our own lobbying to counteract this FUD.
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June 01, 2011, 09:12:08 PM
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Bitcoin needs our own lobbying to counteract this FUD.


Not really, but go ahead.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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June 01, 2011, 09:16:53 PM
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Bitcoin needs our own lobbying to counteract this FUD.


Not really, but go ahead.

I consider it an advertisement for Bitcoin and think it should be widely disseminated because it will get more people to ask what is Bitcoin.

It basically says: WARNING, don't use bitcoins, they can be used for tax evasion and breaking the law, and makes it so we can't monitor for illegal activity, this will ruin society.

I think it will have the same non-effect as: D.A.R.E. To Say No To Drugs, This is your brain on drugs, posters in the liquor store that say "drinking injures the teen brain", etc...

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper wallets instead.
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June 01, 2011, 09:18:05 PM
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The only thing Bitcoin needs is to be a better alternative. Which it is
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June 01, 2011, 09:30:13 PM
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Bitcoin needs our own lobbying to counteract this FUD.

I just started this thread.  I present an argument for why bitcoin might not be so useful for large criminal groups.
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11138.0;topicseen
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June 01, 2011, 10:11:12 PM
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Bitcoin needs our own lobbying to counteract this FUD.


Not really, but go ahead.

I consider it an advertisement for Bitcoin and think it should be widely disseminated because it will get more people to ask what is Bitcoin.

It basically says: WARNING, don't use bitcoins, they can be used for tax evasion and breaking the law, and makes it so we can't monitor for illegal activity, this will ruin society.
INVITATION: for all criminals and tax evaders, this is your chance, if you use bitcoin we can do nothing to block your financial actions

I think it will have the same non-effect as: D.A.R.E. To Say No To Drugs, This is your brain on drugs, posters in the liquor store that say "drinking injures the teen brain", etc...

FTFY
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June 01, 2011, 10:22:00 PM
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A banking group warning me about the dangers of bitcoin is like a crack dealer pharmaceutical lobbyist warning me about the dangers of weed.

FTFY

Thanks, that one was really bugging me Wink

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June 01, 2011, 10:59:10 PM
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So do we have our first target for anonymous's loic's yet .... ?

They are pretty brave if they have any sort of web presence.

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June 01, 2011, 11:02:18 PM
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So do we have our first target for anonymous's loic's yet .... ?

No, do waste the nuke on these guys.  They are actually helping, although that is not their intent.

I'm pretty confident that real members of Anonymous are reading this forum, and when a real threat to Bitcoin appears, we will see which side they are on.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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June 01, 2011, 11:43:26 PM
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So do we have our first target for anonymous's loic's yet .... ?

No, do waste the nuke on these guys.  They are actually helping, although that is not their intent.

I'm pretty confident that real members of Anonymous are reading this forum, and when a real threat to Bitcoin appears, we will see which side they are on.

now if only we could patch bitcoin client to include loic for attacking "enemies of bitcoin"...
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June 01, 2011, 11:51:28 PM
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Wouldn't it be funny if we had a Hitler finds out about Bitcoin video in this topic?  Grin

http://media.witcoin.com/p/1309/Hitler-Finds-Out-About-Bitcoin

already done Smiley
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June 01, 2011, 11:53:18 PM
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Bitcoin needs our own lobbying to counteract this FUD.



The lobby group is anyone who uses bitcoin. Its a decentralized lobby group in which anyone is a node and anyone can do their bit.

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June 01, 2011, 11:55:50 PM
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In all seriousness, wheres the bitcoin lobby?

We don't fight politics with politics, we fight it with technology. That is the way of the nerd.


So do we have our first target for anonymous's loic's yet .... ?

They are pretty brave if they have any sort of web presence.

#bitcoin-armada?
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June 02, 2011, 12:15:43 AM
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If we could lobby for sound money, free trade, and legal drugs, what would we need bitcoin for? The point of bitcoin is not to get permission from government, but to make government irrelevant.

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June 02, 2011, 12:47:13 AM
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Sorry but that is total fail.

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